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scarabaeus
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Re: connection (again) -last post crashed mid-post for some reason. What I was going to say is that your post IMO was too general and hard to reply to. I would like to hear your opinion on the OP's post etc. but your post was too broad in it's scope.
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Re: pocketlady - hello friend. U R Showing courage which is always a good thing. I have always found that the biggest problems in these kinds of conversations is that nobody defines what they mean by the word 'GOD'. And everything gets weird from there lol!
Anywho... Even though we have different opinions about key aspects of spirituality, you seem like someone who I could hang out with in my spare time (as limited as it is). If we weren't separated by 2500 miles or whatever it is!
I will try to follow this thread in a timely fashion; it is good/healthy conversation. -Peace friends
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Re: connection , one more time again! I just realized that it might seem like I'm calling you out -believe me that that is NOT my intention. I was just commenting on the way , in general, that this thread was going. I wasn't trying to single you out. Much peace and love and etc.
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Yeah I know what you mean about defining God, not that it's even really possible to define lol. From my perspective, I thought the OP kind of covered the fact that I, at least, am not talking about a man in the clouds, but maybe that doesn't come across 
Appreciate you saying that. Life would be absolutely pointless if we all thought the same anyway. It's good to hear other perspectives and I always really appreciate it when people can still be friendly and have love in their hearts, even when they don't agree on everything The ego likes to create separation wherever it can, not an easy thing to overcome. Look forward to seeing you around
-------------------- Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity. The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death. Tomorrow, when resurrection comes, The heart that is not in love will fail the test. ~ Rumi The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny. ~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir
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My point of view is if God can communicate to us..then there are words he can use to describe himself and other things/people.
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Sure, there are words we can use in an attempt to describe God (and other things), but how to truly describe the ineffable? Language can never truly explain what anything is imho. One of the best analogies I ever heard was trying to describe what ice cream is like to someone who has never experienced it. I can say it's cold, sweet, tasty, whatever, but words can never truly express what ice cream is like. They can only re-present it. Only someone who has experienced it directly, knows. I think that's probably true even more so when it comes to things like God, because so many spiritual traditions try to get across the idea that God exists completely outside of any kind of conceptualisation.
The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. The name that can be named is not the eternal name. The nameless is the beginning of heaven and earth.
- Tao Te Ching
-------------------- Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity. The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death. Tomorrow, when resurrection comes, The heart that is not in love will fail the test. ~ Rumi The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny. ~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir
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To add to the difficulty of describing God / Truth - I also feel that different people touch different aspects of the Divine in their realizations and experiences, it's like the analogy of the blind people feeling different parts of an elephant and all disagreeing on what an elephant is. I think since we share being human there's some shared overlap in our potential experiences of the divine though (built into our physiology and energetic systems), but that God / the Divine is always so much more than what can ever be experienced by one being. I imagine that an extraterrestrial enlightened being would be experiencing the Divine in a very different way than a human Master. And that diversity is a beautiful thing
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#26525968 - 03/09/20 06:49 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's a good point. I remember when I was a kid contemplating if the colour green (for example) was the same for everyone. Or maybe some people see green the way I see red, and vice versa? I also feel like maybe the closer we get towards God, the deeper the union becomes and the more we come to realise God's essential nature, the more authentically we perceive God. But to truly experience the final depths of the ultimate, I wonder if any part of the 'experiencer' could actually come back from that to [attempt to] tell the story...
-------------------- Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity. The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death. Tomorrow, when resurrection comes, The heart that is not in love will fail the test. ~ Rumi The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny. ~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir
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Yes that's a good point - also I don't know if that is even the goal per se (to experience the sum total of God) as I feel we are individualized extensions from God that are meant to journey within the uniqueness of our own experiences - and that that is why we exist (why God dreamt us as individuals). That's not to say we can't move into formless or cosmic states of consciousness - but that even these too are still individual experiences, just on a much vaster scale. But of course much is a Mystery to us
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"And I saw when the lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him; and he went forth conquering and to conquer. And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see though hurt not the oil and the wine. And when he had opened the fourth seal I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, come and see. And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat upon him was Death and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with the sword, and with hunger, and with death and with the beasts of the earth."
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Yeah I agree, my personal perspective is that it seems to be a continuing journey closer and closer to God, but never totally dissolving into the absolute and losing all uniqueness. I remember reading something ages ago about walking across a dance floor. If you move halfway across, and then halfway across from there again, and again and again, you keep inching closer and closer but never actually make it to the other side. Seems like a good analogy for getting closer to complete union with God if you ask me
-------------------- Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity. The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death. Tomorrow, when resurrection comes, The heart that is not in love will fail the test. ~ Rumi The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny. ~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir
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Ha, that's a great reference. I had totally forgotten about the 'come and see' in Revelations, probably the most esoteric book in the Bible
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I think it's especially relevant right now with Covid-19 spreading and all. The virus being one of the beast of the earth.
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Yes, the infinite cannot be grasped in its totality, but must be approached tangentially. It's as if the infinite, undivided existence were a shape with infinite facets -- like a circle -- and the more you grasp, there are still just as many sides left. There is no limit, and no boundary.
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yes I like that analogy
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What about the line from the bible..
The word was with God.. and the word was God..?
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Good question. Personally I don't think it refers to the kinds of words that we use to describe things, but more to do with the fact that God is Mind (big M), or pure awareness/thought/consciousness. Our reality was created because God thought it into existence. Just my 2 cents.
-------------------- Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity. The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death. Tomorrow, when resurrection comes, The heart that is not in love will fail the test. ~ Rumi The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny. ~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir
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Quote:
BrendanFlock said: What about the line from the bible..
The word was with God.. and the word was God..?
That's Jesus.
Jesus is the logic, intelligibility, and expression of God. "The Word made Flesh"... How amazing that the Creator of the universe came to dwell with us as one of us. (not to mention die for us)
God's Word is what holds everything together. You'll never find an explanation for nature by looking within nature. There is never a natural explanation for why nature consists and why nature proceeds in the first place. We use descriptions like "inherent properties of nature" to cover-up the fact that we have no natural explanation.
It is only by the Word of God that all things consist. All things are gathered together in Christ. The world was created by Him and for Him, the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End.
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Greetings P Lady. I was hoping that this thread didn't fall apart before I got back to it (I've been mucho busy). Just wanted to say hello -wish this topic generated more interest, but that's the way she goes. As always, I wish you much peace on your journey; you seem like a very righteous soul. -Scarabaeus
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Thank you so much scarabaeus. Likewise to you I gathered from what you were saying that you work in a hospital. Thinking of all the hospital/medical workers a lot at this time...Heroes. I really hope you are keeping well.
I actually have some more extracts I've been meaning to post in this thread but my laptop died and I lost them for now, but I'll try and revive it at some point.
-------------------- Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity. The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death. Tomorrow, when resurrection comes, The heart that is not in love will fail the test. ~ Rumi The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny. ~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir
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