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8g vs 5g
    #26506735 - 02/27/20 03:32 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

How crazy would an 8g trip be if my most experience is with 5? Would I lose all connection to reality and basically go on a prolonged DMT trip? Definite ego death?

Too much to derive lessons from? My 5g dose taught me many things about myself and fixed my relationships with close family members, it was the single most therapeutic experience I ever had.


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Re: 8g vs 5g [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26506739 - 02/27/20 03:36 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Depends on you, my buddy can eat 14g and still have a conversation, I'd probably end up in the hospital on that dose lol


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Re: 8g vs 5g [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #26506852 - 02/27/20 04:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Korean jesus werent you complaining about hppd just a few weeks ago?


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Re: 8g vs 5g [Re: Sugabearcrisp] * 2
    #26506857 - 02/27/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

shrooms don’t cause any hppd symptoms for me only acid. and now twice i’ve seen the acid hppd fade away after some time without any weed


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Re: 8g vs 5g [Re: Korean Jesus] * 1
    #26507553 - 02/28/20 02:25 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I suppose you’ve got to ask yourself what you hope to gain from an 8g trip, KJ. You said that you healed broken family relationships on 5g.

Unless of course your intention is not healing but exploration, in which case I’d say crack on. Or consider psilohuasca, mushrooms and Syrian rue. The rue effectively doubles both the strength and the duration of mushrooms. Am ramping up to try this in a few months. I’ve been led to believe tht you go further, and the strong part of the trip 4 hours becomes about 5 or 6 hours, total duration about 10 hours.

So maybe consider 4g mushrooms with 4g rue (check out sabnock’s posts on this, he seems an expert).

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Re: 8g vs 5g [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26507591 - 02/28/20 04:07 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Since I am literally a growing n00b who has just ordered all the supplies I need yesterday for Pf Tek, I am just curious, what is a good dose for mushrooms grown from Golden Teacher? Yeah, I am getting way ahead of myself here, because I won't be able to even start until I have all my stuff sometime late next week, and I think its about 2 months grow time, assuming success. But I am curious.

Also, again with the cart-before-the horse questions, is there any advantage/disadvantage to eating fresh P. Cubensis, just picked and still wet, not dried out? I'm not even sure if you can do that or not.


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Re: 8g vs 5g [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 2
    #26507607 - 02/28/20 04:56 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Hey LSA, short question long answer!

Where to start? You’ll get approx 7g dry per cake. Or 70g wet. Under ideal growing conditions. (i know not a lot but an easy intro to growing. Your next grow should be a monotub 👍🏻)

Certainly with cubensis which has a relatively high psilocin content compared to psilocybin, you will lose approximately 50% of the psilocin during drying, about 20% of the psilocybin. Now psilocybin is a precursor to psilocin, and has to be converted by the body into psilocin to have the psychoactive effect. So therefore using fresh as opposed to dry mushrooms, you will get a faster come up and wilder visuals. Fresh mushroom trips are always preferable to dried. I know PrimalSoup makes tea from his fresh mushrooms and freezes the tea 👍🏻 (I’m going to try this with next grow).

You say you are a growing noob but presumably you’re not a tripping noob? If you are, you want to start with a lowish dose before heading towards the “heroic dose” of 5 dried grams. For me a good dose of Golden Teachers is 3.5g dry; 5g dry can be very intense and unpredictable, but find what works best for you.

The strength of Golden Teacher is exactly the same as other cubensis varieties, apart from the penis envies which are reportedly double the strength of other cubensis.

Search on here for “trip levels”; they’re are categorised into 5 levels, with level 5 being total ego loss and transcendence. Check out The Shroomery Doseage Calculator

Hope this helps,
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Re: 8g vs 5g [Re: DJ Ed] * 1
    #26507611 - 02/28/20 04:59 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Just to add to my post, this explains why Liberty Cap mushrooms (Psilocybe Semilanceata) are such a great candidate for drying; because they contain a relatively HIGH psilocybin content compared to psilocin, therefore do not lose as much psilocin during drying (because there was less to start with!)

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Re: 8g vs 5g [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26507689 - 02/28/20 06:55 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Woodrose I'd skip the pf tek, go straight to shoeboxes or mini monos you won't regret it


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Re: 8g vs 5g [Re: Shroomhunts] * 1
    #26507725 - 02/28/20 07:32 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

OP - That's going to have to be waters you test yourself. I eat an 8th and I'm good to do mostly anything else I can do sober for the most part - while some of my friends are holding onto their dick trying to figure out what's going on.

All depends on you.. and you won't know how deep the waters are until you dive in unfortunately. Definitely no "this is what happens at this dose" type of thing..

And you seem to have gotten hit pretty hard from that 5g experience and you're considering 8g relatively quick. To each their own, just tread lightly.

@LSA -
I too, would skip the process of cakes and go straight to shoeboxes as well. I did my first grow with cakes and switched to learning agar while those cakes were fruiting. Very easy to get into once you have the things.. and it's quite fun. The harvests are so much more better.

And it takes up such little space. 2/4 successful shoeboxes can have you set for mushrooms for a long time...

Though, PF Tek is a great learning experience as well!


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Re: 8g vs 5g [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26507795 - 02/28/20 08:28 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for all the answers, folks, and sorry to unintentionally hijack the thread. A few questions and comments about responses:

DJ Ed...seriously, just wow! I read both of your posts in their entirety, and my head is spinning. In a good way. I need to sit down with your numbers and let them sink in as I prepare for my first grow. But seriously, great information, so THANKS!!! I'll likely thank you again when I actually process all those numbers. :mushroom2:

Shroomhunts and Vibe_Enthusiast, I am incredibly confused by all the info I have been learning since a week ago when I started at the "I'm just considering this thing" phase, until ordering all the gear needed for PF Tek. Here's the problem I face. I am new, new, new, embarrassingly so. I settled on the Pf Tek after being initially overwhelmed with data and information, to the point where I came this close to just giving up and saying screw it to the whole venture. Too much information, reading, and data. I finally settled on RogerRabbit's Pf Tek videos because when I watched them, my head FINALLY stopped spinning. Most people in the thread I created [Here] if you want to check it out and comment, reaffirmed my commitment to doing Pf Tek.

The thing is, I already ordered everything I need, and it should all be here by next week, around Friday. Including the Golden Teacher Syringe plus a freebie extra syringe of unspecified strain for mentioning that I got the site sponsor name from this forum. I ordered the jars, two clear Sterilite (116 Quart and 70 Quart) tubs to be used as an SAB and a SGFC, respectively. Thermomoeters/hygrometers, Perlite, Vermiculite, brown rice flour, a Bunsen Burner, 10.5" steamer rack for the bottom of my big stock pot, 24 8 ounce, wide-mouthed mason jars, 18" disposable arm sleeves, etc. I am ordering a light source soon. Anyway, I am already committed and intellectually and emotionally invested, for better or worse, into Pf Tek. I know the procedures at least well enough to follow along.

Sorry about the tl;dr response. I really do appreciate what you're saying, I promise. My feeling now, however, is I should stick with what I have studied. Maybe it isn't the best. Maybe it even sucks. But if I can just get my feet wet with my first grow, and get some satisfaction from an initial crop, then I can try different things. 

Another tl;dr - I am totally open to everything you're saying. Maybe I'm just a little closed to it now because of all the confusion I suffered at the beginning of that thread, which you will see if you click the link. lol

***However, assuming I begin sterilizing the jars and get the inoculation of either 12 or 24 jars, depending on whether I use one or both syringes, it will take 3-4 from then, of 5 weeks from now until I am ready for fruiting, right? So you and others have 5 weeks to try and talk me out of using the SGFC. But please do it in that thread if you don't mind. If I'm going to be talked out of the SGFC, I really want it to be in public, in order to have as many opinions as possible in that thread (and its a big "if") I change my mind, and go with, say shoeboxes over a SGFC.

Fair enough?


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Re: 8g vs 5g [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26507806 - 02/28/20 08:38 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for the thanks, LSA, but no need, that’s why we’re all here 👍🏻

You’re doing the right thing starting with PF Tek; I went one step further and started with a grow kit and spore syringe. Then PF Tek. Then monotub.

Check out the cultivation forum on here, there’s a wealth of great information. In fact strat with BOD’s post in getting started.

The PF Tek is perfect for letting you learn to grow and learn the most important aspect; sterility. While your pf Tek is underway, continue learning.

I would also recommend not using all of your spore syringes; save a few ml’s to inject into a liquid culture. That way you’ll have plenty of mycelium to inoculate rye grain, for spawning into a monotub. You will need at some point to get a pressure cooker, but start slow and learn before investing decent sums of money.

I feel your pain; the amount of information when you’re learning can be overwhelming. So take your time,and enjoy the fruits of your pf Tek in the meantime 👍🏻


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Re: 8g vs 5g [Re: DJ Ed] * 1
    #26508212 - 02/28/20 01:21 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

What's the relative intensity difference? I would guess around 2x, maybe a little more?


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Re: 8g vs 5g [Re: Korean Jesus] * 1
    #26508500 - 02/28/20 03:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I’ve read on here KJ that it’s effectively double the intensity. So for a 5g experience, you start with 2.5g mushrooms. You take the rue 30mins to 1 hour before the mushrooms. Not only is the intensity doubled, the peak lasts longer, and the whole trip lasts about 10 hours!

Check out some of sabnock’s posts, he seems an expert.


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Re: 8g vs 5g [Re: DJ Ed] * 1
    #26509647 - 02/29/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

When combining harmalas (syrian rue) with mushrooms they don't only get potentiated, but the whole trip feels different. Feels much closer to oral dmt this way.
I'd say it feels like the maoi activates the dmt part of the psilocin molecule and adds these effects ontop of the regular mushroom effects. Psilohuasca feels closer to ayahuasca than to mushrooms imo. Which is great. :thumbup:

The best trips I had with shrooms were in combination with harmalas. Feels like a waste without. They feel twice as strong and last ~10 hours for me, with 5 to 6 hours of constant peak effects.
All this just by swallowing a small capsule with harmala alkaloids 30min before dosing the shrooms.

Check out my signature for an easy pure harmala extraction tek.

Also check out this psilohuasca thead. Lots of info and first hand experiences there.

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Re: 8g vs 5g [Re: Pandemoon] * 1
    #26510212 - 02/29/20 06:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Interesting! Although I don't think I'll be using MAOI's for my 8g trip, that'd probably be too intense. But I'll definitely check them out next time I dose less.


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Re: 8g vs 5g [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26510356 - 02/29/20 08:18 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Same waters, little deeper, imo it will be some similar land if done in the same conditions

Dosing higher to see the effect is worth it ime

Some amazing things can happen

Definitely much to learn and take from

Worthwhile parts to experience on all sides of that hill


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Re: 8g vs 5g [Re: Enkidu]
    #26510479 - 02/29/20 10:10 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I took an 8+ gram ride a year ago. Was a deep spiritual and difficult trip I have ever taken. It brought up memories I long forgotten, some good some bad. I think this was the trip to cause my body to reject the taste of shrooms. The stomach cramps were pretty bad too. This is the trip that drove me towards teas.


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Re: 8g vs 5g [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26511423 - 03/01/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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The thing is, I already ordered everything I need, and it should all be here by next week, around Friday. Including the Golden Teacher Syringe plus a freebie extra syringe of unspecified strain for mentioning that I got the site sponsor name from this forum. I ordered the jars, two clear Sterilite (116 Quart and 70 Quart) tubs to be used as an SAB and a SGFC, respectively. Thermomoeters/hygrometers, Perlite, Vermiculite, brown rice flour, a Bunsen Burner, 10.5" steamer rack for the bottom of my big stock pot, 24 8 ounce, wide-mouthed mason jars, 18" disposable arm sleeves, etc. I am ordering a light source soon. Anyway, I am already committed and intellectually and emotionally invested, for better or worse, into Pf Tek. I know the procedures at least well enough to follow along.




Don't sweat it, lots of people use PF Tek and do pretty well by it.  The important part is you'll be growing and a lot of the apparent complexity will resolve itself as you work through the steps. :mushroomgrow:


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Re: 8g vs 5g [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26511435 - 03/01/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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DJ Ed said:
Thanks for the thanks, LSA, but no need, that’s why we’re all here 👍🏻

You’re doing the right thing starting with PF Tek; I went one step further and started with a grow kit and spore syringe. Then PF Tek. Then monotub.

Check out the cultivation forum on here, there’s a wealth of great information. In fact strat with BOD’s post in getting started.

The PF Tek is perfect for letting you learn to grow and learn the most important aspect; sterility. While your pf Tek is underway, continue learning.

I would also recommend not using all of your spore syringes; save a few ml’s to inject into a liquid culture. That way you’ll have plenty of mycelium to inoculate rye grain, for spawning into a monotub. You will need at some point to get a pressure cooker, but start slow and learn before investing decent sums of money.

I feel your pain; the amount of information when you’re learning can be overwhelming. So take your time,and enjoy the fruits of your pf Tek in the meantime 👍🏻




Awesome info! And I took your sage advice and have been asking tons of questions in there, and started this thread [here]. I came soooooooo close to giving up because I was so overwhelmed by all the insane amounts of info!

Long story short, if you want to check in there and chime in, great, I welcome your sage advice and feedback. But lol try to ignore my bouncing off the forum walls early in my own thread when I was really frustrated and about to just say "screw it!" and give up. :mushroom2:


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