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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26505678 - 02/26/20 11:10 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: cannabinated]
    #26505679 - 02/26/20 11:11 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26506156 - 02/27/20 09:06 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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It would take a few generations to get rid of all the guns, in america, with the most strict plan. Then we would sacrifice a little bit of safety from each other for no safety from tyranny




I'm not for extreme gun laws by any means, but I never get the argument that guns will somehow protect us from tyranny.

In what scenario are citizens going to outgun a government with tanks, bombers, drones, missiles and warships? Even most local PD has armored vehicles and are equipped to handle just about any armed militia. Sure you might be able to get off some counter fire and take down a few G-men but good luck wining any kind of war on a tyrannical world superpower government.


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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: audiophoenix]
    #26506167 - 02/27/20 09:13 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Tupac shot the cops and it was legal :shrug:

You dont wanna shoot cops bro?

srsly tho it does create a buffer between you and tyranny as long as there are a sufficient amount of other rebels


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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: cannabinated]
    #26506178 - 02/27/20 09:22 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Wasn't that an off-duty officer? I'm not really familiar with that. I just know that even in extreme situation like the Waco siege it was futile in the end. All it did was force the ATF to escalate.

I think a better argument is protecting yourself in the event that there's some natural disaster or social collapse, you should be armed and ready to protect yourself and defend your family and life.


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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: audiophoenix]
    #26506184 - 02/27/20 09:25 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

nature can be tyrannical

but yeah really any societal collapse type of deal would warrant the open carry of guns

not today tho, especially in major city centers, theres cops errywhere.


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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: cannabinated]
    #26506204 - 02/27/20 09:41 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

but Why not outlaw assault rifles? How are ASSAULT rifles for self-DEFENSE?
How many people would the Vegas guy kill if all he had were pistols?

And why not limit the number of guns? If you can’t defend yourself with 3 guns, will 3 more really help?

Because the NRA is playing you Republicans for suckers. That’s why rifles are expensive and handguns have a million configurations. You keep giving them cash, feeling free when you’re really a servant of Big Guns.


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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: feldman114] * 1
    #26506382 - 02/27/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

You know my opinion on gun laws, I stopped giving a fuck a few years ago, if there's no metal detector where I'm headed, I have a gun.  My life is worth going to prison for a few years and being a felon versus getting murdered by some faggy 17 year old that got rejected all his life.

I just bought a S&W shield recently because carrying a Glock 19 with an RMR isn't always possible, the shield fits in your pocket thing is cool.


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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: feldman114]
    #26506384 - 02/27/20 11:51 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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but Why not outlaw assault rifles? How are ASSAULT rifles for self-DEFENSE?
How many people would the Vegas guy kill if all he had were pistols?

And why not limit the number of guns? If you can’t defend yourself with 3 guns, will 3 more really help?

Because the NRA is playing you Republicans for suckers. That’s why rifles are expensive and handguns have a million configurations. You keep giving them cash, feeling free when you’re really a servant of Big Guns.



You do not understand that the second amendment isn't about self defense.  It's about shooting tyrants in the face.


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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: PreparationH]
    #26506390 - 02/27/20 11:57 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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feldman114 said:
but Why not outlaw assault rifles? How are ASSAULT rifles for self-DEFENSE?
How many people would the Vegas guy kill if all he had were pistols?

And why not limit the number of guns? If you can’t defend yourself with 3 guns, will 3 more really help?

Because the NRA is playing you Republicans for suckers. That’s why rifles are expensive and handguns have a million configurations. You keep giving them cash, feeling free when you’re really a servant of Big Guns.



You do not understand that the second amendment isn't about self defense.  It's about shooting tyrants in the face.




Ok let’s see.

You have:
Assault rifles
Hunting rifles
Handguns
Granades?

They have:
Lasers that can shoot you from space.
Drones with missile capacity.
Tanks, jets, rockets.
Everything you have x1000


How are you gonna defend yourself against a modern govt using a gun?


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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: feldman114] * 3
    #26506396 - 02/27/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Enlighten us how America won the war in the middle East lol.


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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: PreparationH] * 1
    #26506421 - 02/27/20 12:27 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

oh you silly americans and your guns. The problem does not lie with the laws or guns you are all fucked in the head collectively as a nation. Nowhere in the world there are so many mass shooting as in the usa. That is true that crazy will find a way to kill with or without guns but there is no way you could kill 20 people with a knife in one day, you`d need to be Chuck Noriss or smth. You need to get your shit together and get rid of the reptilians controlling your goverment, selling you war as a fight for your freedom, feeding you fake foods and happy pils for every time you feel sad. How many of these shooters are medicated? If you have depresion or anxiety you should not take pills you should change the things in your life that make you feel anxious or depressed.


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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: MOONisAtruffle]
    #26506429 - 02/27/20 12:32 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Pff yeah, Iraq is the “winner”. They totally defended themselves and their oil from the US army. They didn’t get killed left and right, their cities bombed and their kids subjected to a horrific life for generations.

Thank god Iraq has a second amendment, right?
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After the toppling of Saddam Hussein in 2003, illegal weapons trade flourished across the country. Looted guns from ransacked police stations and military bases were sold in streets and public areas to residents seeking to protect themselves in a state that was largely lawless.

The authorities have since been battling to curb illegal weapon sales and the government has stepped up efforts to control gun ownership through regulation.




Otherwise, Iraq would have never defeated the US army:rofl2:


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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: MOONisAtruffle]
    #26506461 - 02/27/20 12:56 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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oh you silly americans and your guns. The problem does not lie with the laws or guns you are all fucked in the head collectively as a nation. Nowhere in the world there are so many mass shooting as in the usa. That is true that crazy will find a way to kill with or without guns but there is no way you could kill 20 people with a knife in one day, you`d need to be Chuck Noriss or smth. You need to get your shit together and get rid of the reptilians controlling your goverment, selling you war as a fight for your freedom, feeding you fake foods and happy pils for every time you feel sad. How many of these shooters are medicated? If you have depresion or anxiety you should not take pills you should change the things in your life that make you feel anxious or depressed.




As usual it's more nuanced than that.

A majority of mass shooters were not being medicated. This is a Joe Roganism that keeps being repeated. Somehow linking mass shootings to psychotropic medications which is not supported by evidence or even has any meaningful correlation.

The problem does not lie entirely with the gun laws, but I think it has something to do with it and there's many other factors. The main issue is that everyone has their stance as to why it happens and people have a tendency to oversimplify the problem.

I think a major source of the problem is simply the way we've structured our society and the ability for some people to go years without normal human interactions. It's too easy for people to get lost in the weeds without any real connections to other human beings. I don't have much more than my own intuition to validate this claim I'm making here but I think most people would agree that this type of society we live in isn't ideal for creating well balanced and empathetic human beings.

There's probably a very long list of potential problems and reason why it happens in America more than anywhere else.

There are many ways however to commit a mass terror attack without guns. Honestly I think it's surprising that it hasn't happened more.

The Bath School disaster remains the largest mass school massacre and it was done with a fert bomb.


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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: audiophoenix] * 1
    #26506502 - 02/27/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I agree. Maybe I didnt express myself as well because english is not my native language and also i got kind lazy half way through my comment thinking - why even bother, no one cares about my opinion anyway. What I wanted to say is that society based in consumerism will never be healthy. Ones are rich because other are poor, ones are sucsesfull because others are not, Some rule because they oppress others. you cant buy hapiness just like you cant fill the hole in your soul by stuffing your face full of cheeseburgers. It goes a lot deeper than, deeper than gun control. And anti depresants are like puting a bandaid on a bullet wound. Same goes for banning guns, but I think it would make a difference anyway, maybe not immediately but in couple of generations for sure. In EU nobody has a gun, you are either a cop, hunter or a gun nut, if you have gun licence. I literally know nobody that owns a pistol, I know some hunter that have shotguns and rifles but thats all. Sure you can go on a stabing spree but group of people about to be stabbed will easily over power you. Yeah you could build a bomb but there are a lot more things that could go wrong, its not like a proffesional built it. But in a world where you can just go and buy assault rifle in a wallmart shooting 20 people is lot more easy than reserching how to buld a bomb or mastering you machete skills choping watermelons for 6 months every day. One is clear - there are people having the same mental issues all around the world but these mass killing are happening mostly in usa, you guys need to change something and you need to start somewhere, anywhere, couse you cant change a thing by just arguing about it. Be safe.


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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: audiophoenix] * 2
    #26506580 - 02/27/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

More guns means guns are more easily available and that more people have guns. People who have guns shoot them, bullets come out of the hollow end fly distances and make holes in things, including people.

It's really as simple as cause and effect.

Sure there will always be idiots who want to kill people, but grabbing something that's easily available and pulling a little lever is a lot easier and takes a lot less psychological commitment, intelligence and strength than most other ways of killing.

A lot of the deaths we see that are the most tragic are suicides and accidents. Mass shootings make up a tiny proportion of gun deaths and despite being the most broadcast by the media aren't really where the body count is. Handgun owners and their children are the worst effected by gun fatality, ironically. There are many countries where many people own rifles, but the issue is far less pronounced. It's not OG to walk around with a rifle and it's far more difficult to shoot yourself in the head with it or anyone else by accident.

I'm not for complete prohibition, but it appears apparent that anyone who says that having more machines that kill makes everyone safer is just denying simple logic. Reducing the numbers of weapons being sold, increasing the difficulty to obtain weapons and encouraging people away from gun culture helps to reduce these premature death numbers. It's been done. It's proven to work.

But rights and yadayadayada doesn't help. Ideological historical viewpoints set in stone can be a burden. Heck, it's not even fully agreed upon or understood why gun rights exist anymore. Times have changed.


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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: feldman114] * 1
    #26506616 - 02/27/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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feldman114 said:
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PreparationH said:
Quote:

feldman114 said:
but Why not outlaw assault rifles? How are ASSAULT rifles for self-DEFENSE?
How many people would the Vegas guy kill if all he had were pistols?

And why not limit the number of guns? If you can’t defend yourself with 3 guns, will 3 more really help?

Because the NRA is playing you Republicans for suckers. That’s why rifles are expensive and handguns have a million configurations. You keep giving them cash, feeling free when you’re really a servant of Big Guns.



You do not understand that the second amendment isn't about self defense.  It's about shooting tyrants in the face.




Ok let’s see.

You have:
Assault rifles
Hunting rifles
Handguns
Granades?

They have:
Lasers that can shoot you from space.
Drones with missile capacity.
Tanks, jets, rockets.
Everything you have x1000


How are you gonna defend yourself against a modern govt using a gun?



Airplanes and missiles don't go door to door.
Also, guns are there during the civil unrest period when martial law goes into effect before a full blown war on your own civilians


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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26506617 - 02/27/20 02:23 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I have no reason to trust the United States Government and give up my rifles or bar other Americans from owning them.  I don't trust any government, I don't care how many dumb fucks go on a rampage or kids die, the 10,000 murders per year by guns in a nation of 320,000,000 is ok with me considering the atrocities tyrannical governments have committed against their people.  Don't want to get murdered in the USA? Carry a fucking gun.  That's what police do, and when some maniac tries stabbing/shooting people to death, who shows up?  Another adult with a gun.  Not interested in depending on others to keep me alive.



With firearms, at least when they come to infringe, Americans can take a few oath breakers out with them.  I hate violent criminals, murderers, and terrorists too, no one is out saying violent mentally ill people should have any weapons.  99.9% of gun owners and people owning sp00ky Ak-47's aren't that at all. 


Technology changes, rights do not.  People on the other side will never understand until it's too late.  Look at Hong Kong.  No thanks.  People died for my rights to own firearms, there's enough of us out there willing to do the same to defend it.




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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: PreparationH]
    #26506673 - 02/27/20 02:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Theres nothing wrong with owning a gun there just should be requirements and they should be in a safe place.

Bernies the only one whos not coming to take ur shit btw :stoned:


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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: cannabinated]
    #26506717 - 02/27/20 03:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Mooting at Shiller brewery. (logical, where are you?)


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Robert James Shiller (born March 29, 1946) is an American economist (Nobel Laureate in 2013), academic, and best-selling author. As of 2019, he serves as a Sterling Professor of Economics at Yale University and is a fellow at the Yale School of Management's International Center for Finance.


The cyclically adjusted price-to-earnings ratio, commonly known as CAPE, Shiller P/E, or P/E 10 ratio, is a valuation measure usually applied to the US S&P 500 equity market. It is defined as price divided by the average of ten years of earnings (moving average), adjusted for inflation.


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