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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: Northerner]
#26508418 - 02/28/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hong Kong is a poor example too. That became because the Chinese would not allow Brits to step on Chinese soil so they gave them Honk Kong as a port.
This sounds good, but it’s not true. Hong Kong was one of the spoils of the English-Chinese war, otherwise known as the opium war.
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: viraldrome]
#26508499 - 02/28/20 03:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: Our society is fucked up, and we’re not ready to take a look at that & think hmmm, maybe it’s time to switch some things up. And it’s not just the shootings. There’s the opioid epidemic, the spike in meth abuse, suicide epidemic, people lost in social media, etc.... a lot of symptoms of this societal malaise.
Canada has all that shit too, but far less mass shootings. Every western country has those problems, its only america with the mass shootings.
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The mass shootings get all the coverage, but there are more shootings related to other crime every day that won’t be stopped by gun laws. Won’t be, cause the guns weren’t legally obtained to begin with. They’re obtained via the black market by groups that are the black market. There are shootings every day in the city I live in. Shootings in my neck of the woods in this city. You can hear the shots at night. Assault rifles & handguns. None of which were obtained with loop holes. They were obtained on the streets, and will still be available on the streets if guns are banned.
That is where American logic falls off. In a country with gun control, notice I said country, that's the only way it works, an illegal handgun costs a small fortune. That limits illegal guns to criminals who make their money in the sale of illegal drugs. Your average street thug who robs corner stores cannot afford a gun. I might get jumped by a group, I might get a knife pulled on me, I may get robbed by a junkie with an AIDS filled needle, but there is zero percent chance I'm getting robbed at gunpoint.
We all understand exactly how things work in America, it's you guys who are massive ignorant of how it works everywhere else. I have never been to Australia but it's a safe bet that if I go visit I won't get shot. Now maybe if I moved to Melbourne and started dealing drugs I would piss off the wrong people and get shot. I don't really care if a gang member shoots another gang member, that happens outside my life sphere. In fact secretly I am like "cool one less dirtbag". It's always like that in canada, never innocent victims, just gang member shooting gang member. What's even bad about that?
The societal ills are western culture in general. Humanity itself is fucked. And nah, you don’t really know how it really works here. You just think you do. What you said about the cost of black market guns & average street people not being able to afford one is evidence of that. You’re wrong as fuck. They’re not that expensive at all. It’s been a lot of years since I’ve run around in the hood, but when I was I could’ve gotten a little 22 cal handgun for $100. That was just the offer I remember. I never had interest in owning a gun though. And it’s easy to get money when you’re doing dirt. Also re: what you said about gang members shooting gang members. They don’t know how to aim; they just light shit up. A lot of the shooting victims here are people that just happened to get caught in the crossfire. A lot of the victims are kids.....a lot are babies even, caught in the crossfire. So no, it’s not “cool” that they’re taking each other out. It’s a big fucking problem here.
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: Dark_Star]
#26508504 - 02/28/20 04:01 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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In Wisconsin a felon can buy a decent double stack handgun for under $500 through any hood drug dealer that also sells guns illegally. And there's a fuckload.
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: Dark_Star]
#26508543 - 02/28/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: What you said about the cost of black market guns & average street people not being able to afford one is evidence of that. You’re wrong as fuck. They’re not that expensive at all.
He was talking about them being expensive in countries with strong gun control, not the US.
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In a country with gun control, notice I said country, that's the only way it works, an illegal handgun costs a small fortune.
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On average, Wilson was receiving $2,500 per gun. Poyser’s two associates were seeking prices in the range of $4,000. In all, the trio made a profit of $1,500 per illegal gun sold, Scratch told court.
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2020/02/26/man-pleads-guilty-in-toronto-polices-largest-gun-seizure-he-was-caught-with-60-handguns-smuggled-from-florida.html
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: psi]
#26508555 - 02/28/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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You can’t compare the two though, because there are so many guns here already, and they won’t just go away if they’re banned. Not to mention all the ones that would get smuggled in. The reality is that guns are woven into the fabric of this country. An outright repeal of the 2nd Amendment would spark civil war & the end of this country as we know it.
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: Dark_Star]
#26508558 - 02/28/20 04:40 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Agreed, it would never fly in the US, and the number of guns already there is enormous.
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: Dark_Star]
#26508560 - 02/28/20 04:42 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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No, they were buying them in Florida and bringing them to Canada.
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: Dark_Star]
#26508562 - 02/28/20 04:44 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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2,500-4,000 are going to be nice guns, not nickel plated hood shit and if you can’t afford one just do homeboy a favor.
Edit, that looked like I was somehow arguing with you, I’m not. I agree with what you’re saying you’ll never get rid of guns, good fuckin luck with it. How hard is it to even build one with what’s available? The cat’s out of the bag all more laws are going to do is what they always do, cause problems.
Problem: people breaking the law Solution: punish people who obey the law.... makes perfect sense
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: psi]
#26508571 - 02/28/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah my dumbass commented on what it said in the link before I read the article
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: Amanita86]
#26508586 - 02/28/20 04:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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They have a picture in the article of some of the guns in question. Not sure if they are nice as I know nothing about handguns, but a lot are really weird colors and "look" cheap to my uneducated eye.
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: Dark_Star] 2
#26508593 - 02/28/20 05:03 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Guns are easy to make anyway. Ban guns and a lot of people will be doing side projects with their cnc machines
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: bodhisatta]
#26508622 - 02/28/20 05:17 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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If there is already high demand, sure. In a country where few other people carry them, there is not as much reason to.
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: psi]
#26509277 - 02/29/20 06:15 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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https://apple.news/ACTSpJLDXQqeqORO95hqTAA
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Police officer kills colleague during game of Russian roulette
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: feldman114]
#26509395 - 02/29/20 08:27 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: Lophosaurus]
#26509432 - 02/29/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lophosaurus said: I don't think we should ban guns. I do think we should have some stricter regulations on who can own one. You should have to pass an IQ test, emotional intelligence test, and have an in depth mental health review, and maybe even more tests. Not just for guns either, we need this for voting rights, child birth rights, and driving rights.
They should do "stop and frisk" and large corporations and gatherings!
I had to have extensive background checks and take classes to get my cc. Also in my state for 30 days after you apply, any police officer in the state can say they dont want you to get a gun for x or y reason and then that would have to go to some board to decide.....I think every state should at least be like mine.
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That's a retarded system.
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: bodhisatta]
#26509449 - 02/29/20 09:10 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Agreed. But still better than some states that make it stupid easy to get them.
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I live in a "shall issue" state.
I think I gave them $50 and they took my picture and a week or so later I had my concealed carry permit.
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: mycosis]
#26509478 - 02/29/20 09:28 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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So in your state I would not take the class. Would carry anyway. Would probably have bought my guns off the books and avoided all background checks. Meanwhile all the do goods are waiting and filling the pockets of the real criminals.
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: bodhisatta]
#26509484 - 02/29/20 09:33 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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There was no class to take. I literally handed them $50 and they took my picture and a week or so later my concealed carry card came in the mail.
I'm also a respectable citizen who follows the laws and I'm not going to get arrested when I get pulled over and there's an absurd amount of ammunition in my truck.
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