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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: cannabinated] 1
#26507408 - 02/27/20 11:23 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wholeheartedly agree with preperation H BUT
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: ichugwindex] 1
#26507414 - 02/27/20 11:33 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sorry. It was side tracked due to some Australian dude that thinks human beings get rights granted to them by retards holding political office. Sad.

Gotta pump those numbers up.
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: cannabinated] 2
#26507442 - 02/27/20 11:58 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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PreparationH said: https://legaldictionary.net/inalienable-rights/
Yea, I get it now, lmfao.
You live in Australia or Saudi Arabia, I am not even sure anymore?
I have never heard someone so proudly exclaim they have no rights. So sad.
I'm just stating facts man. I live in a different system that does not have a bill of rights, and it works just fine. In fact it's enviable for much of the world.
Paradigm busting shit hey? (or are you just refusing to even entertain the notion of this as sane?)
When I first understood that I don't have "rights" per se I was a bit shocked as US constitution is talked about so much, and to find that Australian constitution does not contain these clauses was a worry. When I stopped to think about it it became clear. Why would I think that a bill of rights is so important? What do I miss by not having it? The law in my country is reasonably just and there isn't mass incarceration. I'm well protected. I have excellent health care. I have excellent social services. I live in a stable society with reasonably low inequity.
Why do I need a bill of rights when my interests are already protected very well under law? To what end?
The US way is not the way, it's just a way. Considering the chronic social issues the US is facing it might not even be considered a very good way.
Sooooo... if ideological tenants would be set aside so things could be made to be good, would you be prepared to change a system that is clearly not working and implement a system that does work? Or would you rather cling to those historic ideas as inalienable whilst stockpiling weapons? Judging by our conversation I suspect the latter.
You've got your rights, and the bodycount to go with em. Irony.
Anyhow, I'm gonna leave it here so not derail the thread any further.
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: Northerner]
#26507447 - 02/28/20 12:01 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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ur country is tiny
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24 million vs 320 million. Guy thinks we all live in some shit hole like Chicago, typical.
His government works for him.... for now... Lol, so confused.
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I know there's a lot of people out there, I've lived in many different countries. I'm not naive to how different things can be.
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: Northerner]
#26507454 - 02/28/20 12:14 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Guns saved the world from muscle tards ruling the world. It's no coincidence that the most human progress has happened since guns became mainstream historically. Do we really want to go back to the time of muscle bound retards running the world? Just everyone wiping their ass with their left hand and seeing who can do the most reps?
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: bodhisatta]
#26507468 - 02/28/20 12:19 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Well it's molson coors now but right down the road from me. Know a lot of people that have or do work there. Every picture you can see one of the no weapons signs that litter the campus like graffiti. Didn't work well. Mayor trolley-tard Barret is there virtue signalling along with the alderman.
Despite being a gun free zone luckily the shooter didn't pick the buildings with the engineers that give two fucks about the corporate weapons policy. I imagine it would have ended more like the recent Texas church shooting.
What gun law would have stopped today? None.
There was a mass shooting in my community as well.
We could abolish the 2nd Amendment with a new amendment, start removing all guns from society and completely ban their sell for any purpose. In a couple decades mass shootings would be eliminated.
I’m not even saying I support that but any type of gun reform plan that doesn’t address the 2nd Amendment is a joke.
I think we need to disarm the government before we start worrying about citizens. Obviously the number one mass murderer is the US Military.
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: ichugwindex]
#26507476 - 02/28/20 12:22 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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ichugwindex said: Guns saved the world from muscle tards ruling the world. It's no coincidence that the most human progress has happened since guns became mainstream historically. Do we really want to go back to the time of muscle bound retards running the world? Just everyone wiping their ass with their left hand and seeing who can do the most reps?
There’s a good case to be made for gun control for men only.
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: TheFakeSunRa] 1
#26507597 - 02/28/20 04:39 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Americans are brainwashed that these documents enumerate rights rather than grant them. Unfortunately if you have a ruler they're giving you rights because they can easily take them away. If you didn't have a ruler over you then your rights would be inherent.
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: Northerner] 1
#26507606 - 02/28/20 04:54 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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The drug laws in your country are even more fucked than ours though. I support more gun control measures, but the 2nd amendment is there for a reason, and the right to bear arms is interwoven into the very fabric of our society. That can’t be changed at this point. We can make it harder to get them, easier to take them from troubled individuals, but we can’t get rid of them. As some have alluded to, it’s not just the availability of guns leading to mass shootings here. Our society is fucked up, and we’re not ready to take a look at that & think hmmm, maybe it’s time to switch some things up. And it’s not just the shootings. There’s the opioid epidemic, the spike in meth abuse, suicide epidemic, people lost in social media, etc.... a lot of symptoms of this societal malaise.
The mass shootings get all the coverage, but there are more shootings related to other crime every day that won’t be stopped by gun laws. Won’t be, cause the guns weren’t legally obtained to begin with. They’re obtained via the black market by groups that are the black market. There are shootings every day in the city I live in. Shootings in my neck of the woods in this city. You can hear the shots at night. Assault rifles & handguns. None of which were obtained with loop holes. They were obtained on the streets, and will still be available on the streets if guns are banned. People say you don’t need them for self-defense, but store owners around here frequently thwart armed robbery attempts by pulling out their own guns & shooting back. And yes that’s necessary. They’re not just defending their livelihoods. They’re defending their lives, cause the people robbing will shoot the employees & owners of these stores just because they can. Doesn’t matter if the folks give up all the cash or not. Might be hard for someone that doesn’t live in a country where that happens to understand. But it happens every day here.
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: Dark_Star]
#26507669 - 02/28/20 06:29 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah the drug laws are insane here. Best not to get caught.
I lived in Johannesburg for lots of years from the mid 90s forwards. I'm no stranger to violence. Around those times the murder rate was shocking. Lots of intense senseless violence, home invasions, car jacking, robbery, the usual. But they bought the guns off the streets, de-escalated the police and judiciary, people got tired of the fight and things chilled out. Slowly but surely. They'll have bad times again yet but hopefully not again like that.
Talking to you and so many folks on here and on other common interest forums I feel for my US cousins. I guess change comes slowly though and I think things are probably going to get worse before they get better. Hopefully the lowest point does not scar too deeply or it could take more than a generation to heal from.
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: Dark_Star]
#26507710 - 02/28/20 07:15 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: Our society is fucked up, and we’re not ready to take a look at that & think hmmm, maybe it’s time to switch some things up. And it’s not just the shootings. There’s the opioid epidemic, the spike in meth abuse, suicide epidemic, people lost in social media, etc.... a lot of symptoms of this societal malaise.
Canada has all that shit too, but far less mass shootings. Every western country has those problems, its only america with the mass shootings.
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The mass shootings get all the coverage, but there are more shootings related to other crime every day that won’t be stopped by gun laws. Won’t be, cause the guns weren’t legally obtained to begin with. They’re obtained via the black market by groups that are the black market. There are shootings every day in the city I live in. Shootings in my neck of the woods in this city. You can hear the shots at night. Assault rifles & handguns. None of which were obtained with loop holes. They were obtained on the streets, and will still be available on the streets if guns are banned.
That is where American logic falls off. In a country with gun control, notice I said country, that's the only way it works, an illegal handgun costs a small fortune. That limits illegal guns to criminals who make their money in the sale of illegal drugs. Your average street thug who robs corner stores cannot afford a gun. I might get jumped by a group, I might get a knife pulled on me, I may get robbed by a junkie with an AIDS filled needle, but there is zero percent chance I'm getting robbed at gunpoint.
We all understand exactly how things work in America, it's you guys who are massive ignorant of how it works everywhere else. I have never been to Australia but it's a safe bet that if I go visit I won't get shot. Now maybe if I moved to Melbourne and started dealing drugs I would piss off the wrong people and get shot. I don't really care if a gang member shoots another gang member, that happens outside my life sphere. In fact secretly I am like "cool one less dirtbag". It's always like that in canada, never innocent victims, just gang member shooting gang member. What's even bad about that?
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: viraldrome]
#26507730 - 02/28/20 07:37 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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The mass shootings make up such a tiny proportion of gun murders even in the US though.
The interesting thing in Canada is that a lot of the roughest parts of the country are actually pretty rural rather than urban. And the roughest cities tend to be smallish ones.
Agree with all of what you said about handgun availability here though.
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: psi] 1
#26507876 - 02/28/20 09:47 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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psi said: The mass shootings make up such a tiny proportion of gun murders even in the US though.
Exactly, the vast majority of gun violence in the US is gang related. That is a cultural issue, not a gun issue.
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: qman] 1
#26507887 - 02/28/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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America would still have a mass murder problem without guns more than all the other first world countries
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: bodhisatta]
#26507907 - 02/28/20 10:05 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Americans are brainwashed that these documents enumerate rights rather than grant them. Unfortunately if you have a ruler they're giving you rights because they can easily take them away. If you didn't have a ruler over you then your rights would be inherent.
Which is why I dont mind the sea of weapons here.
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bodhisatta said: America would still have a mass murder problem without guns more than all the other first world countries
Idk... the perversion towards guns is often associated with mass casualty. We got a lot of gun nuts
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: cannabinated] 1
#26507910 - 02/28/20 10:09 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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If there were no easy way out with guns we'll start seeing people driving trucks into crowds or making bombs.
At least with guns the sane people have a level playing field or opportunity to level the playing field.
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: qman]
#26507914 - 02/28/20 10:11 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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psi said: The mass shootings make up such a tiny proportion of gun murders even in the US though.
Exactly, the vast majority of gun violence in the US is gang related. That is a cultural issue, not a gun issue.
Not the majority, but yeah, it’s a lot.
60% are suicides. 3% are accidents. Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/16/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/
As per the CDC, 15-33% are gang-related. Source: https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/here-are-8-stubborn-facts-gun-violence-america https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6103a2.htm
While googling this I learned that you’re more likely to be bludgeoned to death with a blunt object than shot with a rifle. And you’re more likely to be stabbed than shot with a shotgun. Idk how I feel about guns anymore.
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Re: Shooting at Miller brewery [Re: feldman114]
#26508112 - 02/28/20 12:20 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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qman said:
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psi said: The mass shootings make up such a tiny proportion of gun murders even in the US though.
Exactly, the vast majority of gun violence in the US is gang related. That is a cultural issue, not a gun issue.
Not the majority, but yeah, it’s a lot.
60% are suicides. 3% are accidents. Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/16/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/
As per the CDC, 15-33% are gang-related. Source: https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/here-are-8-stubborn-facts-gun-violence-america https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6103a2.htm
While googling this I learned that you’re more likely to be bludgeoned to death with a blunt object than shot with a rifle. And you’re more likely to be stabbed than shot with a shotgun. Idk how I feel about guns anymore.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States
"Gun violence against other persons is most common in poor urban areas and is frequently associated with gang violence...mass shootings in the United States account for only a small fraction of gun-related deaths"
You don't have to die to be negatively affected by a gun shot.
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