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InvisibleMushroomsee
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30 days of tripping
    #26505045 - 02/26/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Hello,

I have a question. Me and a friend are discussing whether it would be possible to trip every day for 30 days. The question is, because mushrooms build tolerance, how much would you need to eat each day to keep the same effect, assuming you take 5g of dried on day 1? How much would you need to take on day 2,3,4 .. 20,21 .. etc until day 30?

It may be difficult to eat a lot, and may be unreasonable. But let's play with the idea theoretically. Is there no ceiling where it gives effect despite tolerance? I mean, let's say to exaggerate that you would eat 1kg of mushrooms - can you become so tolerant that not even 1kg of fresh mushrooms will have the effect? I mean 1kg mushroom is extremely much? Can you really build tolerance to such a large intake?


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Re: 30 days of tripping [Re: Mushroomsee]
    #26505053 - 02/26/20 03:34 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Its exponential as i understand it as each time you need double the last time

5, 10, 20, 40, 80, 160 ....


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Re: 30 days of tripping [Re: Mushroomsee]
    #26505057 - 02/26/20 03:36 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Seek the wisdom of the user PrimalSoup
he knows his stuff when it comes to tolerance and the upper limits of it.

There is an upper limit that you can reach at which point you will no longer have to increase the dose.

From what I've read, you would need to increase the dose 1.5-2X each subsequent day.


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Re: 30 days of tripping [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26505074 - 02/26/20 03:47 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I'm sure it would be different for everyone depending on a few different factors. It's really hard to imagine anyone building a tolerance so high that a kilo dried wouldn't be an incredibly strong experience. I feel like most people would have a really hard time getting down 1 or 2 ounces...even in tea.


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Re: 30 days of tripping [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26505087 - 02/26/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

1 ounce, sure. 2... guh. I'd just grow pans before thinking about taking 2 ounces of cubes. In fact, that's why I've just started growing pans.


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Re: 30 days of tripping [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26505090 - 02/26/20 04:01 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Sugabearcrisp said:
Its exponential as i understand it as each time you need double the last time

5, 10, 20, 40, 80, 160 ....




Damn, so much? It was a faster increase in dose than I thought ..


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Re: 30 days of tripping [Re: Mushroomsee]
    #26505093 - 02/26/20 04:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

A certain “boi” has the answer you seek OP.
I have feeling he’ll stop by...


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Re: 30 days of tripping [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26505095 - 02/26/20 04:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Socrateshroom said:
Seek the wisdom of the user PrimalSoup
he knows his stuff when it comes to tolerance and the upper limits of it.

There is an upper limit that you can reach at which point you will no longer have to increase the dose.

From what I've read, you would need to increase the dose 1.5-2X each subsequent day.




Thanks, I checked on him but he has written a lot of posts .. Do you know what the upper limit is? Or what do you think it could be?


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Re: 30 days of tripping [Re: hummingbird]
    #26505100 - 02/26/20 04:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm sure it would be different for everyone depending on a few different factors. It's really hard to imagine anyone building a tolerance so high that a kilo dried wouldn't be an incredibly strong experience. I feel like most people would have a really hard time getting down 1 or 2 ounces...even in tea.




I thought about 1 kg of fresh there. So 100g dried then, but maybe 100g dried is not so much? 1kg fresh feels like it's a lot ..


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Re: 30 days of tripping [Re: Mushroomsee]
    #26505105 - 02/26/20 04:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I wonder how introducing an MAOI would effect tolerance?  Would introducing an MAOI reduce the double up effect?  Maybe introduce the MAOI after day 15 and use it every time for the remainder of the days? Would the MAOI require a double up?  Seems like MAOIs stay in the system differently.  Maybe you would only need it every other day or something?


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Re: 30 days of tripping [Re: footpath]
    #26505107 - 02/26/20 04:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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footpath said:
1 ounce, sure. 2... guh. I'd just grow pans before thinking about taking 2 ounces of cubes. In fact, that's why I've just started growing pans.




Really? Are the pans more potent in smaller quantities? What is the practical difference between growing cubs and pans? Are they equally easy to grow? And is the effect the same?


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Re: 30 days of tripping [Re: Mushroomsee]
    #26505110 - 02/26/20 04:11 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Mushroomsee said:
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Sugabearcrisp said:
Its exponential as i understand it as each time you need double the last time

5, 10, 20, 40, 80, 160 ....




Damn, so much? It was a faster increase in dose than I thought ..




Just doing the math based on the starting point and 2x needed rule

I cant imagine stomaching those amounts. I would opt for a tryptamine as you would not be ingesting so much


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Re: 30 days of tripping [Re: feldman114]
    #26505111 - 02/26/20 04:11 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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feldman114 said:
A certain “boi” has the answer you seek OP.
I have feeling he’ll stop by...




I hope he does :smile: Would be interesting to know about the upper limit especially.


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Re: 30 days of tripping [Re: maniac1886]
    #26505122 - 02/26/20 04:16 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I wonder how introducing an MAOI would effect tolerance?  Would introducing an MAOI reduce the double up effect?  Maybe introduce the MAOI after day 15 and use it every time for the remainder of the days? Would the MAOI require a double up?  Seems like MAOIs stay in the system differently.  Maybe you would only need it every other day or something?




I wonder the same. However, my opinion of what I read (at least by Syrian rue) is that it is complicated to do, unless you want to drink a tea that both tastes bad and makes you nauseous? And is MAOI harmful? Mushrooms are not harmful at least as far as I know. Doesn't feel weird eating mushrooms, feels like eating a fruit after all. But sitting and playing with MAOI might not be as safe and durable to make continually?


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Re: 30 days of tripping [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26505127 - 02/26/20 04:19 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Sugabearcrisp said:
Quote:

Mushroomsee said:
Quote:

Sugabearcrisp said:
Its exponential as i understand it as each time you need double the last time

5, 10, 20, 40, 80, 160 ....




Damn, so much? It was a faster increase in dose than I thought ..




Just doing the math based on the starting point and 2x needed rule

I cant imagine stomaching those amounts. I would opt for a tryptamine as you would not be ingesting so much




But how long do you have to double the dose? Is there no upper limit where tolerance does not increase anymore?

What do you mean by tryptamine? Do you mean taking DMT instead of mushrooms?


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Re: 30 days of tripping [Re: Mushroomsee]
    #26505139 - 02/26/20 04:26 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah I would want to do more research on MAOIs before I were to do it, or suggest it because of the broad scope of things they effect, and I don't know enough about how they work in the body.  Maybe it would be better to use it at the beginning to keep doses low, but that may make an opposite effect.  Would tripping on an MAOI (allow the body to process more psilocybin/psilocin) actually double the tolerance?  No clue.  Never in my life have I so much as eaten a grapefruit so I literally ZRRO experience with MAOIs and no knowledge.  I just put this out here to bring up the subject to inspire the ppl "in the know" to weigh in. Lol


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Re: 30 days of tripping [Re: Mushroomsee]
    #26505149 - 02/26/20 04:30 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Mushroomsee said:
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footpath said:
1 ounce, sure. 2... guh. I'd just grow pans before thinking about taking 2 ounces of cubes. In fact, that's why I've just started growing pans.




Really? Are the pans more potent in smaller quantities? What is the practical difference between growing cubs and pans? Are they equally easy to grow? And is the effect the same?




They are reported to be easily 5x more potent than cubensis. They require more demanding parameters for even sub-optimal growth. As far as I know (never taken any pan species), the effect is roughly the same... a different flavor, so to say. And, technically, a different flavor - much less foul-tasting than cubes, so I hear.
My uppermost dose was 30g of regular cubes. Taking it down and keeping it down was the most grueling part of the whole experience.
I'll pretty regularly (~four times a year) take 15g doses and it's really not much to gag on. But I'm compelled to not have to gag on anything.


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Re: 30 days of tripping [Re: Mushroomsee]
    #26505272 - 02/26/20 05:47 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Mushroomsee said:
Hello,

I have a question. Me and a friend are discussing whether it would be possible to trip every day for 30 days. The question is, because mushrooms build tolerance, how much would you need to eat each day to keep the same effect, assuming you take 5g of dried on day 1? How much would you need to take on day 2,3,4 .. 20,21 .. etc until day 30?

It may be difficult to eat a lot, and may be unreasonable. But let's play with the idea theoretically. Is there no ceiling where it gives effect despite tolerance? I mean, let's say to exaggerate that you would eat 1kg of mushrooms - can you become so tolerant that not even 1kg of fresh mushrooms will have the effect? I mean 1kg mushroom is extremely much? Can you really build tolerance to such a large intake?




I guess this question keeps getting asked and answered, but here ya go:

In my own experience, starting from baseline and taking fresh mushrooms only as tea, it requires 50% more each successive day until I reach a tolerance plateau.  That comes in around 250g fresh shrooms, after that the dose stays the same for weeks, and months, several to 5 days a week.

So say you start at 50g, the next day would take 75g, then 110, then 170, and finally 250 on the 5th day.  If you take a couple days off drop back to the previous level.  These are for full on trips with OEVs during the comeup and full duration.  YMMV.



PEs get that down to about 150g at plateau, APEs (which I'm starting to grow) might be even better, Pan Cyans as mentioned even more potency.  Potency isn't the only thing of course, you want something that doesn't have any sort of bad effects.  Some people swear by MAOIs but personally I'm cautious and it's easy to grow mass quantities once you learn how.

More to the point though is tripping every day requires some dedication beyond just having the supply. Some sort of reason. I've used them for writing (and fun) and I've used them for research (and fun) into the strange stuff that happens around you when you do this - exploring the multiverse. Try this recent thread: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25911030/fpart/all/vc/1

Best to just find out what your personal results are, that'd be interesting overall as not enough people have ever done this. :cookiemonster:

thanks Socrateshroom that was a nice callout although the thread did almost have my name on it already :lol: :goodday:


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Re: 30 days of tripping [Re: footpath]
    #26505289 - 02/26/20 05:54 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Also, something I got hung up on, panaelous cyanescens (Copelandia) and psilocybe cyanescens are different
  Psilocybe cyanescens are woodlovers and woodlovers have a reputation of inducing temporary paralysis at higher doses...  Definitely do your homework


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Re: 30 days of tripping [Re: maniac1886]
    #26505339 - 02/26/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Right, that's why I said pans.
Woodlovers are a whole different story. Especially cultivation-wise.


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