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TokeItUp12
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Is there legitimate potential for psilocybin or other psychedelics to become legal / decriminalized?
#26504763 - 02/26/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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With mushrooms becoming decriminalized in a few U.S states and Oregon pushing for decriminalization of psilocybin for guided psychotherapy, I'm curious what the odds of mushrooms or similar psychedelics becoming legal is?
I wonder if psychedelics could ever be made legal statewide for recreation like cannabis is or even federally legal.
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Re: Is there legitimate potential for psilocybin or other psychedelics to become legal / decriminalized? [Re: TokeItUp12]
#26504779 - 02/26/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I doubt it. Everyone wants to say shrooms are the next "stepping stone" after legalizing weed.
I don't think so. Millions and millions and millions of people smoke weed, many regularly. Enough to make it a serious political force, a force capable of overcoming the shock and awe knee-jerk idiocy that propagates American drug policy.
Millions upon millions of people do not do shrooms. Most people try it once or twice at doses too low to reach the true magic, move on and don't care. Regular shroom users probably number under a million or two nationwide. Those who have had true level 5 breakthroughs are probably a few hundred thousand.
This is not a political force sufficient to change entrenched laws.
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Re: Is there legitimate potential for psilocybin or other psychedelics to become legal / decriminalized? [Re: TokeItUp12]
#26504796 - 02/26/20 12:28 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I firmly believe in the huge therapeutic benefits. I think we'll start seeing therapy with psylocybin and MDMA being a big thing in the next 5-10 years. I don't know how likely it is that psychedelics will be completely legal for recreational use.
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Re: Is there legitimate potential for psilocybin or other psychedelics to become legal / decriminalized? [Re: individualist]
#26504847 - 02/26/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cannabis is still NOT legal federally. So there's that. And even if we get a "legalize weed" president into the office, I doubt it would be made legal on the federal level.
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individualist said: I doubt it. Everyone wants to say shrooms are the next "stepping stone" after legalizing weed.
I don't think so. Millions and millions and millions of people smoke weed, many regularly. Enough to make it a serious political force, a force capable of overcoming the shock and awe knee-jerk idiocy that propagates American drug policy.
Millions upon millions of people do not do shrooms. Most people try it once or twice at doses too low to reach the true magic, move on and don't care. Regular shroom users probably number under a million or two nationwide. Those who have had true level 5 breakthroughs are probably a few hundred thousand.
This is not a political force sufficient to change entrenched laws.
A lot of this is spot on. Mushrooms and other psychedelics have a lot more stigma attached to them and that stigma is more of a fervent puritan type.
However, especially with something like mushrooms which literally grow from the earth, you'd be surprised how more people are open-minded than one would expect.
Furthermore, we are seeing places decriminalize it. There is an incredible movement made up of everything from writers to movie stars to top doctors, all pushing to eliminate the stigma around these substances. So I don't think a political machine is the only way to get things changed. I think a large enough civil force, driven by new data, can push to change the laws.
However, I still agree with the quoted post. We are still a ways away from legalizing marijuana federally, if ever, so I don't see the federal government legalizing something like mushrooms for another 2 or 3 quintillion centuries.
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Re: Is there legitimate potential for psilocybin or other psychedelics to become legal / decriminalized? [Re: Socrateshroom] 1
#26504920 - 02/26/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Decriminalization over legalization. I used to be a big proponent of Cannabis legalization, until i realized it's decriminalization we really want/need. Same thing goes for Psychedelics. In my state, we're apparently just now getting medicinal Cannabis, however, only pills, oils and creams, no plant material, no homegrow, no smoking or vaping, so i do not support the medicinal Cannabis here in my state. To hell with legalization, i just wanna be able to use and grow my own natural plants, mushrooms, cacti and such.
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Re: Is there legitimate potential for psilocybin or other psychedelics to become legal / decriminalized? [Re: Sabnock]
#26504936 - 02/26/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Did you guys hear Bloomberg at the debate last night? When asked about marijuana legalization he basically said we need to pump the brakes because its all happening too fast and we dont know enough about the long term risks, etc. Thats what a major candidate for the Democrats thinks. Biden probably isnt too different in his thoughts about it either. Still a lot of minds that need to be changed on these issues. MJ will be the first domino to fall (hopefully). But I'm not sure that any psychedelics will be legalized anytime soon after that. But hopefully I'm wrong.
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Re: Is there legitimate potential for psilocybin or other psychedelics to become legal / decriminalized? [Re: TokeItUp12]
#26504937 - 02/26/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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TokeItUp12 said: With mushrooms becoming decriminalized in a few U.S states and Oregon pushing for decriminalization of psilocybin for guided psychotherapy, I'm curious what the odds of mushrooms or similar psychedelics becoming legal is?
I wonder if psychedelics could ever be made legal statewide for recreation like cannabis is or even federally legal.
No doubt at all, but then I'm in Oregon so maybe a bit biased. It took a long time to legalize weed and it was medical only for quite a while.
With the research and demonstrated potential for treating some stuff effectively - about which the community has been well aware for basically forever - the time is right for mushrooms at least. 
Was talking to the guy at my local weed store about mushrooms and he's looking forward to hooking up with some cubes soon, people really seem to be getting on board this train IME. He was talking about how he's too cramped to grow cubes but would like to have a shiitake log just to grow them. 
The kind of research I've been doing with mushrooms is still so far out it's almost beyond belief. Yet it's real. Where that goes I don't really know yet but I'd be easier about it if it was legal like weed. That was the one thing that got me over the paranoia weed always delivered.
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Re: Is there legitimate potential for psilocybin or other psychedelics to become legal / decriminalized? [Re: Sabnock] 1
#26504940 - 02/26/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sabnock said: Decriminalization over legalization. I used to be a big proponent of Cannabis legalization, until i realized it's decriminalization we really want/need. Same thing goes for Psychedelics. In my state, we're apparently just now getting medicinal Cannabis, however, only pills, oils and creams, no plant material, no homegrow, no smoking or vaping, so i do not support the medicinal Cannabis here in my state. To hell with legalization, i just wanna be able to use and grow my own natural plants, mushrooms, cacti and such.
I absolutely agree with this. All that matters is that we can't be prosecuted for personal use and/or cultivation. I don't need stores selling it, I've been taught to be self-reliant by this great community
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Re: Is there legitimate potential for psilocybin or other psychedelics to become legal / decriminalized? [Re: Socrateshroom] 1
#26504981 - 02/26/20 02:32 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Before they criminalised it in the Uk in 2005, get this; you could pick mushrooms from the ground and eat them. As long as you didn’t “process” them, in which case they became class A.
Always having done mushrooms with tea, I was nervous back in the 80s of being caught brewing!!
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Re: Is there legitimate potential for psilocybin or other psychedelics to become legal / decriminalized? [Re: individualist]
#26505150 - 02/26/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I do see your point, but voters in denver were open enough to decrim, and the "decriminalize nature" campaign is picking up steam. that's not to say more people won't start doing shrooms once media attention picks up. if medical mushrooms get approved by the FDA at schedule 3 or lower, then the federal analog act won't apply to the likes of 4-AcO-DMT making that route vastly easier
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Re: Is there legitimate potential for psilocybin or other psychedelics to become legal / decriminalized? [Re: audiophoenix]
#26944520 - 09/19/20 04:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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audiophoenix said: I firmly believe in the huge therapeutic benefits. I think we'll start seeing therapy with psylocybin and MDMA being a big thing in the next 5-10 years. I don't know how likely it is that psychedelics will be completely legal for recreational use.
Rick Doblin, the founder of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS) has stated in that psychedelic therapy could be available to the commercial market as early as 2021.
He may be biased, but at the same time, psychedelic therapy may at least be medicalized (legalized for medical use only) sooner than we think...
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Re: Is there legitimate potential for psilocybin or other psychedelics to become legal / decriminalized? [Re: Rhizomorph]
#26944944 - 09/19/20 09:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've got a feeling LSD will always be controlled. Maybe you can have joke trips but that drug is not a joke.
I'm talking full evolution of the DNA and such amidst psychic phenomena (hallucinations, trips)
It might become something you earn or get a license for. I think they know they're looking not just at a 'turned on' populace, or metaprogramming / reality creation, but at actual perturbations of DNA that may or may not result in gods and goddesses, whether this is or is not a general factor of psychological growth anyway.
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Re: Is there legitimate potential for psilocybin or other psychedelics to become legal / decriminalized? [Re: lostintimenspc]
#26945046 - 09/19/20 10:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think they will definitely play a bigger role in the future medically and I hope they will decriminalize natural sources.
I would love to see medical grade lsd available for order with out having to risk some random guy and hope its what it should be.
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Re: Is there legitimate potential for psilocybin or other psychedelics to become legal / decriminalized? [Re: polyflakes]
#26945072 - 09/19/20 10:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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If there is money in it being legal they will make it legal. My guess is in the near future it will be legal because of this . Just like cannabis its about the money not about helping people.
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Re: Is there legitimate potential for psilocybin or other psychedelics to become legal / decriminalized? [Re: MrTheseThings] 1
#26945106 - 09/19/20 11:18 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't think it is that simple.
For one, making money and helping people are not dichotomous.
Edit: just realized you're talking strictly about legalizationFor two, medicalization in the current political atmosphere is likely the first step towards decriminalization or legalization outside a clinical context. Medicalization offers a more controlled environment where policy-makers and scientists can analyze the outcomes without opening the doors to a potential myriad of legal troubles and unsafe use. I don't like the current atmosphere either but it is a fuck up of the past that we unfortunately have to deal with.
Yes I do think that there is a capitalistic bias, and I fundamentally oppose this, but I don't think it is just "about the money and not about helping people". There are many people involved who want to see this medicine used to help people. Doblin himself said that he originally wanted to become a psychedelic therapist but is just taking a detour to get there [through research & corresponding political/clinical reform advocacy].
But yeah fuck the pharmeceutical organizations and companies looking to streamline a psychedelic pill that doesn't make people trip but still has all the benefits (which is impossible if you ask me). These people seriously need to eat an 1/8 and reflect on their intentions.
Edited by Rhizomorph (09/19/20 11:19 PM)
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