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Predestination
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All things being equal, if every particle from the big bang until now has simply followed it's tragectory all the way down to the sub-atomic level, then aren't we all just a predefined set of chain reactions masked by an incomprehensible algorithm of existing circumstances?
Every word, thought, movement, etc that we think is our own really just boils down to the configuration of energy at the beginning of the universe.
Perhaps this falls into the same realm of "if god exists, who created god" and so on. Can we even say the original source of this bizarre chain of events was in fact sovereign.
Just shit I've been thinking about the last few weeks.
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If you take reality literally, sure, maybe. For all anyone knows, we lack the perceptions necessary to get into the 0's and 1's of the code of conscious existence at all
We interface with reality through symbols that our brain derives based upon sensory input... waves and pressures and such turned into shapes and sounds and feelings, in a way that's been fine tuned through evolution to favor fitness. The basis of our thoughts are formed from fitness tuned symbols, not accurate perceptions of reality. Things may be a whole lot weirder than they appear, maybe even far more boring, we really can't be sure we know anything. The big bang itself may be one big metaphor
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Assuming "the big bang" is how the universe was formed...I still think the formation of planets and the likes is/was completely random. So in that train of thought our existence is random.
Though I firmly believe astrologists are just taking stabs at creation....just like the religions. No one knows how or why we are here. People are pretty arrogant in their percieved ability to make accurate explanations for the universes or our existence.
We dont know shit....
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The Influence said: Assuming "the big bang" is how the universe was formed...I still think the formation of planets and the likes is/was completely random. So in that train of thought our existence is random.
Though I firmly believe astrologists are just taking stabs at creation....just like the religions. No one knows how or why we are here. People are pretty arrogant in their percieved ability to make accurate explanations for the universes or our existence.
We dont know shit....
I'm in no way defending or making a case for any woo. And the beginning of the universe is almost irrelevant.
I would agree with the assessment that the formation of planets and celestial objects is random in the sense that there was likely no ordinance or devine intervention. But I still don't see how true randomness could exist. I believe that if you were to account for every variable in the universe you could predict every event that has happened and every event to come just by following the chain of events based on the rules that exist on this plane.
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audiophoenix said: All things being equal, if every particle from the big bang until now has simply followed it's tragectory all the way down to the sub-atomic level, then aren't we all just a predefined set of chain reactions masked by an incomprehensible algorithm of existing circumstances?
No, I don't think it's a given that it's all deterministic and there is no element of true randomness in the outcomes of the interactions of those many particles. Though we can't exactly repeat the experiment again and see if it turns out a different way.
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Re: Predestination [Re: psi]
#26503956 - 02/25/20 08:02 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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there is no element of true randomness in the outcomes of the interactions of those many particles.
It's not really given about any of it for sure. I just think it's a really underrated question because I feel it's the fundimental question that mysticism in all it's forms claims to answer.
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Everything did what it did. How would you define random from predetermined? Physics is still physics. So, existence is the question. I struggle to comprehend something out of nothing, so some sort of jump had to take place.
But then, how did God become God. No beginning, no end? Can’t quite wrap my head around that one yet. Life plays by different rules than physical matter though. Something had to kick this whole thing off, I think something with a plan.
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there is no element of true randomness in the outcomes of the interactions of those many particles.
It's not really given about any of it for sure. I just think it's a really underrated question because I feel it's the fundimental question that mysticism in all it's forms claims to answer.
Yeah for sure. Do we really have any choice in anything or does it only feel like we do? Though if it's the latter, that knowledge can't possibly help us. So we might as well work under the assumption that we truly are making our own choices, even if it can't be proved.
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Re: Predestination [Re: psi]
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there is no element of true randomness in the outcomes of the interactions of those many particles.
It's not really given about any of it for sure. I just think it's a really underrated question because I feel it's the fundimental question that mysticism in all it's forms claims to answer.
Yeah for sure. Do we really have any choice in anything or does it only feel like we do? Though if it's the latter, that knowledge can't possibly help us. So we might as well work under the assumption that we truly are making our own choices, even if it can't be proved.
That's pretty interesting too, what does it mean if it is, and what does it mean if it isn't. Both have thier own implications.
If the nature of reality is pre determined it seems like it's either a replica of some deeper true reality. Or whatever god there that kicked this off is really just playing puppet theater for an audience of his sorry-ass self.
If there are other factors at play than the physics that would be by it's definition mysticism. That which can not be measured.
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Or it could be a consciousness farm.
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The Universe already happened.
Since age 6 I have a spirit friend whom I negotiated my life with and it all came true.
He explains that in the Eternal now, everything is happening at the same time and thus has already happened. Every possible outcome, infinitely.
He insists that not everything that SEEMS a possible outcome IS one, that there is a "golden thread" which we cant help but follow all our life in all that we do.
Its a ride. We're a train on a track.
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