Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1
Offlineaudiophoenix
Find Peace
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/28/09
Posts: 4,107
Loc: Upstate NY
Last seen: 2 years, 8 months
Predestination
    #26503845 - 02/25/20 06:57 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

All things being equal, if every particle from the big bang until now has simply followed it's tragectory all the way down to the sub-atomic level, then aren't we all just a predefined set of chain reactions masked by an incomprehensible algorithm of existing circumstances?

Every word, thought, movement, etc that we think is our own really just boils down to the configuration of energy at the beginning of the universe.

Perhaps this falls into the same realm of "if god exists, who created god" and so on. Can we even say the original source of this bizarre chain of events was in fact sovereign.

Just shit I've been thinking about the last few weeks.


--------------------


Edited by audiophoenix (02/25/20 06:58 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblefeeversM
Male

Registered: 12/28/10
Posts: 8,546
Loc: Flag
Re: Predestination [Re: audiophoenix]
    #26503867 - 02/25/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

If you take reality literally, sure, maybe. For all anyone knows, we lack the perceptions necessary to get into the 0's and 1's of the code of conscious existence at all

We interface with reality through symbols that our brain derives based upon sensory input... waves and pressures and such turned into shapes and sounds and feelings, in a way that's been fine tuned through evolution to favor fitness. The basis of our thoughts are formed from fitness tuned symbols, not accurate perceptions of reality. Things may be a whole lot weirder than they appear, maybe even far more boring, we really can't be sure we know anything. The big bang itself may be one big metaphor


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Influence
Free Sheeks
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/30/11
Posts: 6,067
Loc: Not Wisconsin
Last seen: 4 months, 2 days
Re: Predestination [Re: audiophoenix]
    #26503897 - 02/25/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Assuming "the big bang" is how the universe was formed...I still think the formation of planets and the likes is/was completely random. So in that train of thought our existence is random.

Though I firmly believe astrologists are just taking stabs at creation....just like the religions. No one knows how or why we are here. People are pretty arrogant in their percieved ability to make accurate explanations for the universes or our existence. 

We dont know shit....


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineaudiophoenix
Find Peace
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/28/09
Posts: 4,107
Loc: Upstate NY
Last seen: 2 years, 8 months
Re: Predestination [Re: The Influence]
    #26503913 - 02/25/20 07:39 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

The Influence said:
Assuming "the big bang" is how the universe was formed...I still think the formation of planets and the likes is/was completely random. So in that train of thought our existence is random.

Though I firmly believe astrologists are just taking stabs at creation....just like the religions. No one knows how or why we are here. People are pretty arrogant in their percieved ability to make accurate explanations for the universes or our existence. 

We dont know shit....




I'm in no way defending or making a case for any woo. And the beginning of the universe is almost irrelevant.

I would agree with the assessment that the formation of planets and celestial objects is random in the sense that there was likely no ordinance or devine intervention. But I still don't see how true randomness could exist. I believe that if you were to account for every variable in the universe you could predict every event that has happened and every event to come just by following the chain of events based on the rules that exist on this plane.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepsi
TOAST N' JAM
Male User Gallery

Registered: 09/05/99
Posts: 31,456
Loc: 613 Flag
Re: Predestination [Re: audiophoenix]
    #26503931 - 02/25/20 07:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

audiophoenix said:
All things being equal, if every particle from the big bang until now has simply followed it's tragectory all the way down to the sub-atomic level, then aren't we all just a predefined set of chain reactions masked by an incomprehensible algorithm of existing circumstances?




No, I don't think it's a given that it's all deterministic and there is no element of true randomness in the outcomes of the interactions of those many particles. Though we can't exactly repeat the experiment again and see if it turns out a different way.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineaudiophoenix
Find Peace
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/28/09
Posts: 4,107
Loc: Upstate NY
Last seen: 2 years, 8 months
Re: Predestination [Re: psi]
    #26503956 - 02/25/20 08:02 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

there is no element of true randomness in the outcomes of the interactions of those many particles.





It's not really given about any of it for sure. I just think it's a really underrated question because I feel it's the fundimental question that mysticism in all it's forms claims to answer.


--------------------


Edited by audiophoenix (02/25/20 08:03 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAmanita86
OTD Keymaster
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/26/12
Posts: 89,464
Loc: hades
Re: Predestination [Re: audiophoenix] * 1
    #26503990 - 02/25/20 08:22 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Everything did what it did.  How would you define random from predetermined?  Physics is still physics.  So, existence is the question.  I struggle to comprehend something out of nothing, so some sort of jump had to take place.

But then, how did God become God.  No beginning, no end?  Can’t quite wrap my head around that one yet.  Life plays by different rules than physical matter though.  Something had to kick this whole thing off, I think something with a plan.


--------------------
:mushroom2:Orange clock, pencil:bouncysmoke:
"They threw me off the hay truck about noon...":fishing:
:mushroom2:*Mark 15:34:levitate::mushroom2::blueninja:
Gam zeh ya’avor...:sunny:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepsi
TOAST N' JAM
Male User Gallery

Registered: 09/05/99
Posts: 31,456
Loc: 613 Flag
Re: Predestination [Re: audiophoenix]
    #26503995 - 02/25/20 08:25 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

audiophoenix said:
Quote:

there is no element of true randomness in the outcomes of the interactions of those many particles.





It's not really given about any of it for sure. I just think it's a really underrated question because I feel it's the fundimental question that mysticism in all it's forms claims to answer.




Yeah for sure. Do we really have any choice in anything or does it only feel like we do? Though if it's the latter, that knowledge can't possibly help us. So we might as well work under the assumption that we truly are making our own choices, even if it can't be proved.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineaudiophoenix
Find Peace
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/28/09
Posts: 4,107
Loc: Upstate NY
Last seen: 2 years, 8 months
Re: Predestination [Re: psi]
    #26504029 - 02/25/20 08:43 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

psi said:
Quote:

audiophoenix said:
Quote:

there is no element of true randomness in the outcomes of the interactions of those many particles.





It's not really given about any of it for sure. I just think it's a really underrated question because I feel it's the fundimental question that mysticism in all it's forms claims to answer.




Yeah for sure. Do we really have any choice in anything or does it only feel like we do? Though if it's the latter, that knowledge can't possibly help us. So we might as well work under the assumption that we truly are making our own choices, even if it can't be proved.



That's pretty interesting too, what does it mean if it is, and what does it mean if it isn't. Both have thier own implications.

If the nature of reality is pre determined it seems like it's either a replica of some deeper true reality. Or whatever god there that kicked this off is really just playing puppet theater for an audience of his sorry-ass self.

If there are other factors at play than the physics that would be by it's definition mysticism. That which can not be measured.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAmanita86
OTD Keymaster
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/26/12
Posts: 89,464
Loc: hades
Re: Predestination [Re: audiophoenix]
    #26504047 - 02/25/20 08:52 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Or it could be a consciousness farm.


--------------------
:mushroom2:Orange clock, pencil:bouncysmoke:
"They threw me off the hay truck about noon...":fishing:
:mushroom2:*Mark 15:34:levitate::mushroom2::blueninja:
Gam zeh ya’avor...:sunny:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineaudiophoenix
Find Peace
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/28/09
Posts: 4,107
Loc: Upstate NY
Last seen: 2 years, 8 months
Re: Predestination [Re: Amanita86]
    #26504076 - 02/25/20 09:10 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

The wierdest thing about existing is that there is no answer that is not mind blowing if true


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAsante
Mage
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 86,795
Re: Predestination [Re: audiophoenix] * 1
    #26504380 - 02/26/20 04:48 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

The Universe already happened.

Since age 6 I have a spirit friend whom I negotiated my life with and it all came true.

He explains that in the Eternal now, everything is happening at the same time and thus has already happened. Every possible outcome, infinitely.

He insists that not everything that SEEMS a possible outcome IS one, that there is a "golden thread" which we cant help but follow all our life in all that we do.

Its a ride. We're a train on a track.


--------------------
Omnicyclion.org
higher knowledge starts here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1

Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Mickey hart+Particle = Hydra!! LooksLikeRain 1,422 17 02/18/05 01:16 AM
by KristiMidocean
* Claiming that everything is predestined, is often 'the' only thing predestining it! :p Gomp 562 4 07/30/12 09:21 AM
by Gomp
* It exists because we believe it exists
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 all )
Gillette 19,859 164 07/29/05 02:05 PM
by Adamist
* Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene?
( 1 2 all )
ZippoZM 5,445 38 01/23/06 11:08 PM
by Shroomism
* Particle... Edge 1,093 8 07/30/04 03:12 PM
by Edge
* Mickey Hart+Particle=Hydra**Updated With Pics**
( 1 2 3 all )
blissedout 5,586 55 04/28/05 10:28 PM
by blissedout
* Particle
( 1 2 all )
Psilygirl 3,578 27 07/01/05 09:35 AM
by dnL
* Anyone heard the band Particle yet?? Adamist 1,936 16 04/25/04 10:13 PM
by Hooty

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Entire Staff
156 topic views. 7 members, 35 guests and 53 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.025 seconds spending 0.008 seconds on 14 queries.