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Cubensis in 2020: Multi-TC, Multi-Topic Post Compilation (WIP) * 14
    #26503618 - 02/25/20 05:17 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Using the advanced search feature I wanted to see what some of the TC minds of the shroomery thought about different topics commonly talked about.

I limited my search to the last two years and focused on regular cubensis (non-PE) related posts.

This was inspired by the classic "all of rr's notes" thread.


This will be weeks in the making and will be heavily edited. More TCs and more topics will be included,
posts are limited to fifteen quotes and that's a fine number to keep it at per term.


If someone would like to link a post to include or a term to include feel free, as long as it's a TC within the last two years, I'm open to suggestions.

Reserving first 5 posts for future terms. Attempting to keep this very basic terms for cubes.

Terms: casing , liners , coir verm , grains, choice of fruiting chamber, lids (wip), x , y , z ... tbd


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Casings

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stareatclouds said:
Here's an AA+ tub with half cased:





https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25192625#25192625


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stareatclouds said:
I don't think a casing layer has to be completely non-nutritious, it's just more beneficial to be. A casing layer provides extra moisture and creates a microclimate to stimulate pinning. I add a layer of my sub on top and fruit at spawning and it's not always eaten up. It's super beneficial for shoebox totes since they're prone to drying out quickly.




https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25495284#25495284

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stareatclouds said:
There's really no reason not to case immediately, in my opinion. It's not like it's a difficult process or has any real downsides. I always put a thin layer of CVG over my shoeboxes and let them go. A casing layer helps with moisture, stimulates pinning, etc.




https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25238242#25238242



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Pastywhyte said:
Casing rarely if ever hurts. I have seen very few cultures that didn’t like a casing. Casing with these is fine, just not a requirement.



https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26141289#26141289



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Pastywhyte said:
First casing layers rock. They are not required the way it is for agaricus, but they do have lots of benefits especially for people in dry or cold regions. Peat is a great casing material but I have a few issues with it. First is that it needs perfect pasteurization and you probably want to buffer it as well. I don’t like having to have a pile of different media to deal with all the time so I no longer use peat to case with. Coir and verm are nearly bulletproof and I already have them on hand for use as bulk media.



https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25648925#25648925



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Pastywhyte said:
Cubes can colonize casing layers just fine.



https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25396978#25396978



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Pastywhyte said:
my old F2 RW clone did terrible in bottles and also did not appreciate uncased bulk.




But spawn it to a mono with a pseudo casing or real casing and it takes right off





https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26196379#26196379



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Pastywhyte said:
I use coir as a casing :shrug:

I have also seen limed peat get fully colonized.

Coir as a casing material:





https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25738419#25738419



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eatyualive said:
For case at spawning, the idea is that it speeds things up quite a bit from spawn to fruit. To me dialing in is just getting things to work in your environment and your variables. The case at spawn method doesn’t need dialing in. You let the mushrooms do their thing and they fruit themselves. Meaning no effort required. Mushrooms are going to fruit when all the variables are right for fruiting. This method requires little to no maintenance.



https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26301388#26301388




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LotKid said:
I just put a layer of coir/verm on top. I don't think the term "pseudo-casing" works well to describe using coir/verm as a casing. Whether you apply it at spawning or at 100% colonization. I like to apply my CV thick enough that it acts as a casing by providing a humid microclimate at the surface of the substrate.



https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25576951#25576951

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LotKid said:
IF placed thick enough coir/verm can act as a casing layer by providing a humid microclimate that aides in primordia formation.



But if this top layer is fully colonized before pinning begins then it is no longer acting as a casing layer but more of an extension of the substrate, so to speak.



https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25577199#25577199


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verum subsequentis said:
I've found that casing at spawning works just as well as waiting for full colonization.



https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26323235#26323235


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TedsDead said:
top layers make the myc look purdy. definitely not a casing tho and definitely not necessary.  although I tend to notice better pinsets when using them. probably due to the surface conditions they provide. I like to put on a thick one so I can mist the shit out of it without harming the grains



https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26539673#26539673




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Re: Cubensis in 2020: Multi-TC, Multi-Topic Post Compilation (WIP) [Re: filthyknees]
    #26503623 - 02/25/20 05:18 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Liners


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Pastywhyte said:
Liners are great for handling the sub and clean up.



https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26141172#26141172


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Pastywhyte said:
Liners are worth it just for the ease of clean up IMO



https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25653839#25653839


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eatyualive said:
I’ve been doing it with these trash bags since 1999-2000. I can’t stand cutting liners so I use trash bags. Trash bags are easy and no cutting required. To each his own but this is how I roll with the roll of trash bags. I feel when you do a few tubs it’s fine cutting liners but it adds up when you do a bunch. I’m kinda lazy so any way I can minimize workload works for me. Yes many people don’t use liners. I also like them because it’s easy for cleanup for me and doubles as a trash bag.




https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26337114#26337114


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eatyualive said:
[Re: Side pins are becoming an annoyance.]

Use a liner :shrug:

I like em for cleaning up as well. Harvesting side pins is a royal pain in the arse. I’ll use a liner so I won’t have to do that.



https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26430205#26430205


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eatyualive said:
Just lift the sub up and put it on the lid then harvest. Filling your tub with water is too time consuming if you have more than one tub. Also more work filling, dumping water. I lift my sub by the liner and put it on the lid. It takes about 2 seconds. I’d love to see some goof fill 30 tubs with water to harvest. :facepalm:

It’s  one of those, it looks cool but it’s not practical type things. Not easier than lifting your sub that takes approximately two seconds. I say do what’s easiest.




https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26282939#26282939


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LotKid said:
I've gone back to using liners because it makes cleaning your tubs after a run WAY easier.




https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25751313#25751313

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TedsDead said:
I use liners.




https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26633343#26633343


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Re: Cubensis in 2020: Multi-TC, Multi-Topic Post Compilation (WIP) [Re: filthyknees]
    #26503624 - 02/25/20 05:18 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Coir verm


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Pastywhyte said:
How I do coir

Get a 5 gallon bucket fill it with;
1 650 gram brick of pet grade coir (breaking it up beforehand is optional but I prefer to)
3 quarts verm
4.5 quarts boiling water
Put lid on and use it when cool



https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25041224#25041224

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Pastywhyte said:
Nutrition in bulk media rarely translates into yield. My best yields are all coir verm tubs. Manure and worm castings etc, tend to hold less water and thus are inferior imo.

Coir verm





https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25365970#25365970


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Pastywhyte said:
Coir verm + bucket is my jam for sure. Anything else is wasted effort.



https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26182988#26182988


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eatyualive said:
I’ve been using [eco-earth] for as long as I can remember. Maybe since 2000. Learn what field capacity is. Bring it up to field capacity by using less water then adding more as needed. Recipes don’t always work because the bricks vary so much. I find eco earth to work fantastic. Maybe you only need 1.5 quarts of water. I don’t do a full boil when I prep my coir. And a small brick soaks up 4.5 quarts of water.

I also add verm if it’s too wet.



https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26293437#26293437


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eatyualive said:
coir/verm and water. i didn't even boil the water just heated it up. dumped it in a bucket with a brick of coir. added 3 quarts of verm to one small brick coir and 4.5 quarts water.



https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25306941#25306941


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eatyualive said:
This is a bucket of coir verm ecoearth that has been sitting for about 2 weeks.



I don’t generally have issues with ecoearth.



https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26355072#26355072

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eatyualive said:Bucket tek is a thing of the past because you don't need to boil water to treat coir to get good results. Just add some warm water to expand it and you are done. Don't measure any temperature, don't spend 20 plus minutes boiling water




https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26216702#26216702


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LotKid said:
I do 1 brick coir to 2 quarts verm to 1 gallon water. :super:



https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25912360#25912360

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verum subsequentis said:
I would not use a whole gallon to 1 brick. Without adding verm i use 3 quarts to a brick of eco earth coir and it's still on the wet side. Even with 2 quarts of verm I don't like to go over 3.5 quarts of water.




https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26233477#26233477

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verum subsequentis said:
3 to 4 quarts boiling water dumped into a container containing one brick of coir and 0 to 3 quarts vermiculite. I personally do 3.5 quarts of water to 1 brick coir and 2 quarts verm.




https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26175300#26175300

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verum subsequentis said:
Some folk aren't even boiling their water any more. Not noobs, excellent cultivators.

I do find it to be a bit wet. Last batch i did 3 quarts of water for each brick of coir and two quarts verm. This brought me to the actual, "squeeze hard and only get a few drips" definition of "field capacity".





https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26206525#26206525


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TedsDead said:
Been using the ol 650g coir, 2 qts verm and alittle less than a gallon of water.



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Re: Cubensis in 2020: Multi-TC, Multi-Topic Post Compilation (WIP) [Re: filthyknees]
    #26503626 - 02/25/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Grains

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stareatclouds said:
Oats have been my primary grain since I started and prefer them. My oats are much cheaper than my WBS, easier to prep, and stretch farther. I mix WBS into grain masters for the smaller inoculation points. I don't like straight WBS/millet as they clump too easily with the pressure I run them at. If I have more WBS leftover, I'll mix them for regular jars because it's all grain.




https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26212605#26212605



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Pastywhyte said:
Rye is cheap. Wheat is cheap. 12 cents a pound is what I pay for rye and wheat.



https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25467585#25467585

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Pastywhyte said:
While I don’t doubt that there is differences in nutrition profiles, having run the same clones on different media on many occasions, I can’t really say it makes a huge difference. For the most part getting axenic spawn has proven to be the more important factor. Generally I’m getting the same performance from rye wheat and WBS. Been rocking WBS a lot lately.



https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26132937#26132937


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eatyualive said:
Wbs is my favorite grain by far for two factors. Speed of colonization in jars and colonization speed of bulk substrates. However, I don’t like wbs stuck between my toes. Oats have never done me wrong. I think the key to oats is properly straining them with a mesh or metal wire mesh strainer. People load them wet or even over cook them. I simply touch them with heat for 20 minutes at a rolling boil and there aren’t issues. Granted some oats are dirtier than others. But the price is right. I even use liquid inoculation with no issues so I’m adding more water to the mix. But I actually prep the oats on the dry side. There is an art form to prepping any kind of grain. Writing off any of them is just personal preference or failure to do it properly. It’s more about fine tuning and getting a feel for what you are working with.




https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26526135#26526135


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LotKid said:
I've used plenty of WBS and Rye. I prefer Rye. It's my goto.

1. Rye
2. Wheat
3. WBS

But that's just me.

Tip: Find what the easiest, cheapest and most abundant grain is for you acquire to acquire locally and go from the there.


I say if you can get good rye then use it but once again, it's just my preferred grain.

:2cents:




https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26090839#26090839

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verum subsequentis said:
I like WBS.



https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26289690#26289690





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Re: Cubensis in 2020: Multi-TC, Multi-Topic Post Compilation (WIP) [Re: filthyknees]
    #26503630 - 02/25/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Choice of Fruiting Chamber


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stareatclouds said:
>> you use micropore and classic 2 bottom hole 1 at the [monotub] top hole placement ?

Yep, although I still use tubs with ironed Polyfil squares, but MP tape is on most of my others.




https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26230642#26230642

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Pastywhyte said:
Ez Dialed monotubs





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eatyualive said:
I go straight to fruiting conditions at spawn. And pastys ez dial tubs. Wont need anything else!




https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26964335#26964335


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LotKid said:
Here's simple automated fruiting chambers.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26140339/page/1



https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26928729#26928729


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verum subsequentis said:
I've done them all [fruiting chambers] and so far enjoy micropore the most but i may be switching to the [ Pasty EZ Dialed monotub ] type soon. If i can get it dialed in properly.



https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26246721#26246721





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    #26503631 - 02/25/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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    #26503632 - 02/25/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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    #26503634 - 02/25/20 05:20 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Cubensis in 2020: Multi-TC, Multi-Topic Post Compilation (WIP) [Re: filthyknees]
    #26634852 - 04/28/20 04:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

This is really helpful already, cheers.


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Re: Cubensis in 2020: Multi-TC, Multi-Topic Post Compilation (WIP) [Re: filthyknees]
    #26962454 - 09/30/20 05:05 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

This is super helpful and should have more attention imo
Good stuff! :takingnotes:


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Re: Cubensis in 2020: Multi-TC, Multi-Topic Post Compilation (WIP) [Re: Rhizomorph]
    #26962527 - 09/30/20 05:49 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

very interesting read, thank you for putting this together for us


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    #26962705 - 09/30/20 07:33 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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    #26962942 - 09/30/20 09:45 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you guys. From time to time I think of adding to it but how many additionl topics are there I wonder.

Off the dome there's choice of fruiting chamber, can't think of too much..

if you got ideas of terms just leave em in the comments and maybe I'll put it together if I find enough content.

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Re: Cubensis in 2020: Multi-TC, Multi-Topic Post Compilation (WIP) [Re: filthyknees]
    #26963107 - 09/30/20 11:35 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I really like this idea. I read through the RR's version of this awhile back and while it has a ton of great knowledge, information changes so rapidly it's good to try to organize it and keep it current.

Solid :thumbup:

You could get into different agar methods, benefits and negatives of pour/no-pour, and maybe even a spot on techniques. I mean of course the info is out there but since you are compiling you might as well put it all in there.


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Re: Cubensis in 2020: Multi-TC, Multi-Topic Post Compilation (WIP) [Re: filthyknees]
    #26963138 - 10/01/20 12:21 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Could be interesting to have one on myco-myths. I've seen lots of people mention that peroxide shouldn't be used and that fanning is a waste of time. But, I haven't seen a compiled list of TC quotes on the topic.

Just an idea, but I also get if you want to restrict this to topics involving preference or benefits.

I really like the idea of having a list of what different TC's have to say on certain topics. It really centralizes the "expert" consensus per say (even though many TC's aren't technically accredited mycologists/experts, they pretty much reflect the expert consensus on the shroomery and I'm sure a lot of them have an abundance of experience with mycology)

Love it! :rockon::rockon:


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Re: Cubensis in 2020: Multi-TC, Multi-Topic Post Compilation (WIP) [Re: Rhizomorph]
    #26974208 - 10/07/20 05:23 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Cubensis in 2020: Multi-TC, Multi-Topic Post Compilation (WIP) [Re: Funky Monkey]
    #26980440 - 10/11/20 07:10 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks! Nice noob resource  :youthemandawg:


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Re: Cubensis in 2020: Multi-TC, Multi-Topic Post Compilation (WIP) [Re: ReverendMyc]
    #27036986 - 11/13/20 12:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Great stuff! :popcorn:


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Re: Cubensis in 2020: Multi-TC, Multi-Topic Post Compilation (WIP) [Re: One of Us]
    #27046757 - 11/19/20 05:25 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Great compilation, one stop shop.


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