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Switched ayahuasca brews and lost effect. Looking to understand why.
    #26503097 - 02/25/20 12:31 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I have been journeying more or less every few days since November using a Chacruna brew that a healer I know ordered from Peru. I got some sort of significant effect every single time. This Chacruna brew was also what he described as extract, although another man I spoke to had a different word for it. Basically the plant is dried, shipped to the States and then cooked here.
I recently ran out, and bought more of what turned out to be a different brew. The new brew isn't extract. It was fully prepared in Peru and brought over. It also has Chaliponga in addition to Chacruna. I'm guessing the latter detail is more significant than the difference in preparation.
When I started with the new brew, on the same day that I had started with a small dose of the old brew, the effect immediately dropped off dramatically. The effect was so limited as not be worth working with. At first I assumed the new brew was no good, but the man I bought it from did a ceremony Saturday and said everyone at the ceremony had a great time, strong effect etc. So I am guessing the brew is effective but my body isn't metabolizing it properly. I'm guessing it has something to do with the Chaliponga. I am moderately experienced with ayahuasca but not at all familiar with the chemistry. The man has given me some Syrian Rue which I will try tomorrow with the brew, but that is kind of just a shot in the dark.
I want to emphasize that I understand other factors can also influence one's experience. Including diet, restorative sleep, and issues of psychological repression. If the difference in effect were minor I would be fine with the interpretation that maybe I had another issue to work through. But the difference in effect is dramatic. I worked with other brews in 2011-2013 and never had a dose that I didn't get a significant effect from. This is entirely new to me and it happened as soon as I started this new brew.
Does anyone have any advice?


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Re: Switched ayahuasca brews and lost effect. Looking to understand why. [Re: themanicmaniac] * 1
    #26503146 - 02/25/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Does anyone have any advice?




My advice is to brew your own ayahuasca. This way you know exactly what is in there, and you can determin the dose and effects.

The ingredients are all legal to buy. Syrian rue seeds and mimosa hostilis rootbark or acacia confusa rootbark are the cheapest and most effective plant sources. It's like a single buck per dose.

Banisteriopsis caapi and Psychotria viridis (chacruna) are the classic ingredients, but also the most expensive per dose.

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Re: Switched ayahuasca brews and lost effect. Looking to understand why. [Re: themanicmaniac]
    #26503184 - 02/25/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

The man I am buying from is connected to an authentic South American shamanic tradition. So I am not inclined toward switching entirely. The work I have done in the last few months have served me very very well.


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Re: Switched ayahuasca brews and lost effect. Looking to understand why. [Re: themanicmaniac]
    #26503272 - 02/25/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I read that the Chaliponga has 5-Me0-DMT whereas the Chakruna does not. Does anyone know anything about why one's body wouldn't be able to metabolize 5-Me0-DMT even if it did not have a problem with N,N-DMT?


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Re: Switched ayahuasca brews and lost effect. Looking to understand why. [Re: themanicmaniac]
    #26503308 - 02/25/20 02:32 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I read that the Chaliponga has 5-Me0-DMT whereas the Chakruna does not. Does anyone know anything about why one's body wouldn't be able to metabolize 5-Me0-DMT even if it did not have a problem with N,N-DMT?




According to analysis on Chali at the DMT Nexus, it appears there's no 5-MEO in Chali, just DMT, but different background compounds can provide a different flavor compared to Chacruna, same thing with Mimosa and Acacia, same active compound, a bit of a different "flavor", same with Rue compared to Caapi.

My advice, grind up the Rue seeds, encapsulate like 2 to 3 grams of the seed powder, then take the Rue caps 30 minutes an hour before drinking the Aya brew.

Often times if Aya doesn't work, it's because the DMT isn't being properly activated by the MAO-A inhibition, so up the MAO-A inhibition dose with the Rue and 30 minutes to an hour later when gut MAO-A is fully inhibited by the Rue, take the Aya brew. Should work like a charm then :smile:


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Re: Switched ayahuasca brews and lost effect. Looking to understand why. [Re: Sabnock]
    #26504709 - 02/26/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Today I took the Rue (not in caps but just as ground up seeds) maybe 20 minutes before dosing with the new brew and there was still very minimal effect. I am lost as to why this is. If there were some boost but it was still weak I would be inclined toward playing with the different factors, but pretty much a dud.Thanks for trying though.
Anyone else have any thoughts? I am lost. Getting more of the old brew probably this weekend but I would have liked to continue before that.


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Re: Switched ayahuasca brews and lost effect. Looking to understand why. [Re: themanicmaniac]
    #26504758 - 02/26/20 12:03 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Today I took the Rue (not in caps but just as ground up seeds) maybe 20 minutes before dosing with the new brew and there was still very minimal effect. I am lost as to why this is. If there were some boost but it was still weak I would be inclined toward playing with the different factors, but pretty much a dud.Thanks for trying though.
Anyone else have any thoughts? I am lost. Getting more of the old brew probably this weekend but I would have liked to continue before that.




Ground up seeds as in chewing the seeds or grinding them up in a coffee grinder? If you ground them up in a coffee grinder, and just ate the ground seeds, it should've worked unless the Aya brew you have is just weak in DMT content, which could be a possibility, but chewing up the seeds often times doesn't work as well from what i've read. Did you make sure to take the Rue 30 minutes to an hour before drinking the Aya brew? It could just be that the Aya brew is weak in DMT content.

If you can get some more of the old brew i guess go with that, otherwise if you stick to the analog plants like Mimosa or Acacia, they're almost always usually potent and relatively consistent ime, not to mention cheaper, even though they're not traditional, i really like Mimosa and Acacia, but mostly Acacia, Acacia is a very lovely and spiritual plant, i haven't personally tried Chaliponga or Chacruna yet, only complaint there seems to be about Mimosa and Acacia is the tannin content but there's ways to clean up the teas and rid them of the tannin content.


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Re: Switched ayahuasca brews and lost effect. Looking to understand why. [Re: Sabnock]
    #26504854 - 02/26/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yes they were ground up prior to me eating them, although like I said I ate them more like 20 minutes before dosing. But even then there should be some effect if the MAOI aspect was indeed the problem.
Like I said, I have ordered some of the previous brew. Should be arriving Saturday-Monday.
I'm sure there's some chemical issue rather than the current brew just being weak (it worked for a bunch of others) but I have no way of figuring out what it is.


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Re: Switched ayahuasca brews and lost effect. Looking to understand why. [Re: themanicmaniac]
    #26504909 - 02/26/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Well try giving it one more go before giving up, wait 30 minutes to an hour, an hour after the Rue ime does best. If it still doesn't work then, then it's probably just weak DMT content in the main brew. 20 minutes after the Rue hasn't worked as well for me personally.


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Re: Switched ayahuasca brews and lost effect. Looking to understand why. [Re: themanicmaniac]
    #26504931 - 02/26/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

There was no noticeable difference at all. I'm guessing it's another issue entirely that the Rue simply isn't addressing. I realize 20 minutes isn't necessarily optimal but I would still assume if it were addressing the issue there would be some effect.


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