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saintdextro
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the search. 2
#26490928 - 02/17/20 11:07 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Is your search for truth truly a search for truth? or it it a search for gratification? here's my problem, I love God, I believe in God, but I find i'm always trying to satisfy this faith with substance, worship, words, silence ect ect, I can never be free to examine my faith objectively, there's always the desire to satisfy my mind and heart with belief, always a pursuit for gratification, in a sence, I wont take "no" for an answer, I want there to be God, therefore there is God, I can't seem to put aside my desire for God in order to ask if there is a a God or not, Mind pursues, gratification must be obtained, my want for God exceeds my want for truth, I humbly have to admit, the mind can want God so strongly, that it creates the image of God, fooling yourself with the pursuit of gratification, you create a God, simply because you want there to be a God, is this a problem you see in yourself?
-------------------- "He who finds peace and joy And radiance within himself That man becomes one with God And vanishes into God's bliss." -Bhagavad Gita, 5.24 One 21 - Building Better Bombs One 21 - Pacified One 21 - Two Sides Is Fine "Respectability is a cloak for the hypocrite" - Jiddu Krishnamurti
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Nice, my ego is worried. That's reality, a minor inconvenience really, in a pursuit of patience.
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The Mycologist
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I dont think God is how you picture them.
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saintdextro said: Is your search for truth truly a search for truth? or it it a search for gratification? here's my problem, I love God, I believe in God, but I find i'm always trying to satisfy this faith with substance, worship, words, silence ect ect, I can never be free to examine my faith objectively, there's always the desire to satisfy my mind and heart with belief, always a pursuit for gratification, in a sence, I wont take "no" for an answer, I want there to be God, therefore there is God, I can't seem to put aside my desire for God in order to ask if there is a a God or not, Mind pursues, gratification must be obtained, my want for God exceeds my want for truth, I humbly have to admit, the mind can want God so strongly, that it creates the image of God, fooling yourself with the pursuit of gratification, you create a God, simply because you want there to be a God, is this a problem you see in yourself?
This is Great & such deep your selfawareness thus touched mine. Yes This come to me once in awhile for a long time.. Wondering why there is sadness & such pain, a feeling of helplessness. why is there disatifaction & uncontentment, a feeling of longing, a desire.
A thought of the mind can deny such sufferings & a god, but the heart of the mind cannot meld with such thoughts. Thus giving a strong desire in the pursuit of the truth.
That truth can be just behind a curtain just waiting to be peeked upon and be revealed.
Only to find out behind every curtain is a mirror that reveals ourselves. But a very special mirror(s) placed by GOD in this material temporal plane where it reveals not our outer physical image, but rather reveals the inner image of immaterial GOD, that adds up to our selfawareness. Thus wanting God beyond an image can actually lead us to the truth. -John 1:18
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...Only to find out behind every curtain is a mirror that reveals ourselves. But a very special mirror(s) placed by GOD in this material temporal plane where it reveals not our outer physical image, but rather reveals the inner image of immaterial...
This excerpt from your view fits nicely with my observations on the topic of paranoid schizophrenia where the subject appears to be reacting to a mirror image of their own personality reflected back on them.
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Delusion can be crippling, Such leaf in a branch can be considered special interms of having a heigthened awareness. That a cultivation of a sound mind can be of benefit in fighting depression even to those who suffer not such medical conditions. -2 tim 1:7
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pacmanbreed said: Delusion can be crippling, Such leaf in a branch can be considered special interms of having a heigthened awareness.
Hmm..The benefits of a heightened awareness in an individual prone to dishonesty and violent delusions is questionable.
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Probably can be considered as a highly (photo)sensitive/fragile leaves in a supportive branch, while not yet in a tropics. Fragility(1 pet 3:7)(col 3:21)(eph 6:4)
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saved7
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saintdextro said: Is your search for truth truly a search for truth? or it it a search for gratification? here's my problem, I love God, I believe in God, but I find i'm always trying to satisfy this faith with substance, worship, words, silence ect ect, I can never be free to examine my faith objectively, there's always the desire to satisfy my mind and heart with belief, always a pursuit for gratification, in a sence, I wont take "no" for an answer, I want there to be God, therefore there is God, I can't seem to put aside my desire for God in order to ask if there is a a God or not, Mind pursues, gratification must be obtained, my want for God exceeds my want for truth, I humbly have to admit, the mind can want God so strongly, that it creates the image of God, fooling yourself with the pursuit of gratification, you create a God, simply because you want there to be a God, is this a problem you see in yourself?
That's the handy thing about the Bible. Our faith is not based on vague theological concepts or ancient myths and legends lost in time (like all other world religions)... but ours is based on direct flesh and blood, eyewitness accounts of when God tabernacled amongst us as a man in the person of Jesus Christ.
As mysterious as the God of the Bible is, He left us an earth-changing sign in the picture of the Cross pointing directly back to Him.. Anyone with an open heart, who studies Jesus long enough, will eventually come to the conclusion that He was exactly who He said He was, and that His tomb is empty because 2,000 years ago He walked out of it. And if we want, we can follow Him out of our own.
-------------------- "Who do you say that I am?" - Jesus quoted in the Gospel of Matthew
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Re: the search. [Re: saved7] 3
#26501471 - 02/24/20 12:35 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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That's the handy thing about the Bible. Our faith is not based on vague theological concepts or ancient myths and legends lost in time (like all other world religions)but ours is based on direct flesh and blood, eyewitness accounts of when God tabernacled amongst us as a man in the person of Jesus Christ.
Disregarding for the moment that you appear to be subject to the very trappings of an unexamined view the OP was speaking about, why do you think your religion is not "like all other world religions." I don't think there are any scholars who would agree with your assertion that even a single word of the 'eyewitness accounts' was written directly by those people, it was a hundred years or more at least before any of those 'accounts' were actually recorded - by people who probably never met or spoke to those you hold in such high esteem. It is evident that any written account you mistakenly believe in was nowhere close to 'direct', so stop spreading lies.
There is nothing about Christianity which would suggest it is somehow self-evident or more reliable than any other 'world religion.' Plenty of evidence appears to show multiple cases of misappropriating the stories of other religions as its own.
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saved7
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HagbardCeline said: That's the handy thing about the Bible. Our faith is not based on vague theological concepts or ancient myths and legends lost in time (like all other world religions)but ours is based on direct flesh and blood, eyewitness accounts of when God tabernacled amongst us as a man in the person of Jesus Christ.
Disregarding for the moment that you appear to be subject to the very trappings of an unexamined view the OP was speaking about, why do you think your religion is not "like all other world religions."
Because it self-evidently is not like any other world religions. Show me an analog to the New Testament of Jesus Christ.
How did this relatively unknown man, mocked and humiliated, dying bloody on a Roman cross, end up arresting the entire world?
Can you find any individual so enigmatic in all of history?
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HagbardCeline said: I don't think there are any scholars who would agree with your assertion that even a single word of the 'eyewitness accounts' was written directly by those people, it was a hundred years or more at least before any of those 'accounts' were actually recorded - by people who probably never met or spoke to those you hold in such high esteem. It is evident that any written account you mistakenly believe in was nowhere close to 'direct', so stop spreading lies.
Here we begin to see the irony of you calling others "unexamined"...
Even anti-Biblical scholars date the gospels to within the lifetime of contemporaries of Jesus. (between AD 70-90) At worst they would have been old men when the accounts were authored. (Actually there appears to be a lot of agreement that John was a very old man when he wrote his gospel)
With the other three gospels, the "Synoptic Gospels" of Matthew, Mark, and Luke, scholarly consensus favors dates following AD 70, and there is something very interesting about why they choose those dates. In these Gospels, Jesus speaks of the coming destruction of the Jewish Temple, which was in fact destroyed by Roman armies in AD 70.
Scholars assume that the gospels must have been written only after the destruction of the temple, with the authors retro-actively ascribing the prophecies to Jesus.
In other words, when dating the gospels, scholars begin with the assumption that Jesus could not possibly have predicted the coming destruction of the Jewish temple. In other words, it is based on a presupposition that Jesus was not who He said He was, and could not have known such things before they had come to pass.
I was surprised to learn just how flimsy the secular Gospel-dating scheme is, but there it is. And this is all too typical of an academic institution that does not want Jesus to be who he said he was.
And there are actually good reasons to believe the synoptic gospels were written before 62 AD, during the life of the apostle Paul, within about 30 years of Jesus's cruxifiction. In any case, there is no compelling evidence they had to have been written much later.
And your claim that the gospels were written over 100 years later is way off even secular estimates.
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HagbardCeline said: There is nothing about Christianity which would suggest it is somehow self-evident or more reliable than any other 'world religion.' Plenty of evidence appears to show multiple cases of misappropriating the stories of other religions as its own.
Let me be clear that I don't believe for a second that you are motivated by evidence (which is clear by what you've already written). You are searching for reasons to doubt, even if you have to make those reasons up. This is an issue with your heart.
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Re: the search. [Re: saved7]
#26501730 - 02/24/20 03:10 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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so, saved7, your saying in Christianity we believe in someone else, long ago, while the Buddhist Religion teach know the Truth Here And Now.In this very Life, for yourself, Direct Experiance, not finding out in the after life if your Religion was fact by fact, but truly discovering for yourself, by experiancing there true Religion as Fact by Fact, with eyes open or shut, beyond doubt that it's the True Relgion ect ect, I could go on and on! ,,,but you lie by saying there Religion is based on myth pretty much is what i'm saying!
-------------------- "He who finds peace and joy And radiance within himself That man becomes one with God And vanishes into God's bliss." -Bhagavad Gita, 5.24 One 21 - Building Better Bombs One 21 - Pacified One 21 - Two Sides Is Fine "Respectability is a cloak for the hypocrite" - Jiddu Krishnamurti
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saintdextro said: so, saved7, your saying in Christianity we believe in someone else, long ago, while the Buddhist Religion teach know the Truth Here And Now.
In this very Life, for yourself, Direct Experiance, not finding out in the after life if your Religion was fact by fact, but truly discovering for yourself, by experiancing there true Religion as Fact by Fact, with eyes open or shut, beyond doubt that it's the True Relgion ect ect, I could go on and on! ,,,but you lie by saying there Religion is based on myth pretty much is what i'm saying!
There is undoubtedly great wisdom and insight in eastern religion. It is taught that the path of righteousness lies beyond the material things of this world, and the lust of the senses, that we are freed from this bondage and return to true source when we learn to look beyond our desires.
Just like many other world religions, they are brushing up against core truths. (that chasing base lusts and material gain only brings eventual desolation and destruction... also that humanity has been somehow disconnected from a more pure original state of being...)
All people in the world have a remnant of this truth, because we all ultimately descend from the same Creator. A fall from a paradise/golden-age/eden is one of the most prevalant beliefs shared among religions. This is because it actually happened, this fall from eden, and ancient people remembered it... though, like a giant game of telephone, it has morphed into unique cosmologies from culture to culture over the millenia.
What makes Christianity stand out from everything else... well.. everything really.
The Old Testament is essentially one long narrative prophecy of the coming Christ. The story of salvation is there in every picture, sometimes hidden, sometimes obvious... always pointing towards this final sacrifice, final suffering... combined with the annointing of a Messiah King that will usher in a new age of grace and truth upon the whole earth.
Something so unique about the Old Testament is that the "heros" of the story (ancient Israel) is almost constantly portrayed in a negative fashion... they are repeatedly screwing up, choosing fear or greed of the world over faith in their God... denying Him even in the presence of awesome demonstrations of divine power (e.g. parting the Red Sea)...
It just isn't something you'd ever expect of a man-made religion... Man-made religions and cults tend to portray their upper ranks as superior and holy to the lower 'unlearned' ranks... yet in the Old Testament, the leadership is frequently portrayed as bumbling evil-doers... Especially at a time in the world when militant loyalty was so important to ethnic survival... and yet the ancient Israelites portray themselves as typically no better than the heathan nations around them.
This is just scratching the surface of the subtle authenticity the Bible holds. It is written just as how you'd expect people to behave who were actually experiencing these things. The ancient Israelites are sent on a divine assignment to conquer or maintain their Kingdom... they are obedient and inspired for a time, then gradually fall away into evil or forgetfulness, which ultimately leads to their nation falling into slavery and bondage... then they cry out for mercy (as people do in hopeless situations) and God intervenes with a divine miracle, reminding them of his ultimate power of salvation.... Then they rejoice and run to Him and are saved.... then they get comfortable and start arguing and complaining and fighting and then begin to fall away from God again... and the cycle keeps repeating.... That's the Old Testament timeline in a nutshell.
But throughout all of this, there are Israelite prophets, people claiming to come with instructions or future prophecies from God. They keep speaking of an ultimate mighty King that is going to lead to the defeat of Israel's wicked enemies and bring peace and rest to the whole earth in one re-newed Kingdom of God. (These prophets are never too popular because they usually end up scolding the current earthly King of Israel for some type of corruption)
When Jesus came on the scene in 1st century AD, the Jewish people were waiting for a savior that would lead them in military conquest on earth. They were waiting for a mighty ruler.
This another thing that makes the Bible so unique... how the ultimate hero of the plot, Jesus, the Son of God... the Lord whose appearance has been prophecied about, is fully rejected by his own priesthood, his own people. Christianity is the only major religion to have as its central event, the humiliation of its God. This is just not something his followers could come to grips with... they did not want Jesus to die. They fleed in terror when He was sent to the cross... The story has, by all appearances, the makings of a great tragedy.... a totally failed messiah who ended up cruxified... and yet within months the name of Jesus Christ is being spread to the ends of the known world. The more you wrestle with this scenario in your mind, the more you begin to realize that the best explanation for the Gospels is that they're true. Jesus Christ really did rise from the dead and people witnessed it, having their lives fundamentally changed in the process.
The beautiful thing is being able to go back and read those ancient scriptures and see how the figure of Jesus, the suffering sacrifical servant + divine conquering King
Psalm 22 is a striking image of Jesus's final humiliation and cruxifiction and resurrection and glorification... It echoes His final cries on the cross: "My God, why have you forsaken me?"... It speaks of his hands and feet being pierced, of his garments being parted and gambled over... and then concludes with the meek and humble being lifted up and all nations of the earth worshiping the one true God.... Yet this Psalm was written upwards of 1,000 years before Jesus was mocked and nailed to the cross....
Or the famous Isaiah 53.. written several centuries before the birth of Jesus:
"He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."
And it isn't just a Chapter here or there... the entire Old Testament sings with the story of Jesus Christ. (who was, and is, and is yet to come... the beginning and the end, the name above all names)
And he shows up... born in Bethlehem, called a Nazirite... the root of Jesse...
With Buddhism and other world religions, you have cosmology and wisdom traditions but nobody really knows where it comes from. It's been passed down generation to generation, its origins concealed in deep time.
But then there is this man Jesus, who not only claims to have the ultimate truth about our reality, but also claims to BE that truth. He isn't a legend or a myth, He's a flesh and blood man walking around towns and cities. People claim to witness Him perform divine miracles. Right from the beginning, Jesus is being confrontational with the religious authorities, causing extreme tension and constantly eliciting threats of persecution and execution... people who follow Him are starting to put their own lives in danger... and yet His following increases. And He's going to further prove that He is the fulfillment of all ancient scripture and prophecy by creating a world kingdom out of his own sacrificial death. Jesus once refers to it as "the sign of Jonah", who in the Old Testament was in the belly of a great fish for 3 days, in the great deep... and then rose again being vomited out by the fish onto dry land. This being a picture of Jesus's descent into the grave and bodily resurrection 3 days later.)
And it worked. Since Jesus's sacrifice, His name has spread across the entire earth as the ultimate Lord and Savior and King of the Kingdom of Heaven, just as it was foretold in prophecy for thousands of years. And today it is the Year of Our Lord 2020. Our very calender system is based off of a man who hung, mocked and bloody on a cross, dying a death reserved for the lowliest of slaved. Why is this so?
What I'm trying to demonstrate is that there is simply nothing remotely like this in other world religions. This combination of ancient scripture and eyewitness of history. The Old and New Testaments... A book written over 1,500 years by 40 different authors and yet it all sings together in this mysterious yet coherent story of the fall and salvation of God's people. Man did not invent this.
Not an ancient legend of faraway gods, but in the flesh and blood of a man who walked amongst us and died forgiving his killers... And just a couple of years later, Saul of Tarsus, one of the most famous persecutors of Jesus's followers was himself traveling the world in chains preaching the name of Christ the King.
There is simply nothing like it.
And while Buddha may have great wisdom to share, Jesus IS wisdom. Jesus IS light, and truth, and life. The lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
There is nothing more rewarding than opening your heart and surrendering to Him... to know that 2,000 years ago Jesus died on that cross for YOU.
He stands at the door knocking... will you accept Him?
-------------------- "Who do you say that I am?" - Jesus quoted in the Gospel of Matthew
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Re: the search. [Re: saved7]
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I always try and make an effort
you have to understand that getting closer to truth and understanding truth more is based on
your behavior increasing in quality
what does this mean?
it means any unbecoming act must vanish
you have to care about it
etc.
and under the light of understanding
or true values
or mindfulness
weeds fall away like dew under sun
it culmiates in realizing the supreme truth which has been mentioned by bhante gunaratana
his books are packed with incredibly good and necessary advice
like walking meditation
which makes for better meditation
more beneficial
which should be taught in schoold
elementary high school and university
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-------------------- "In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply Different ways in which The All-That Is Perceives Itself"
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I really like this guy he took the time to explain it, without condeming us of hell, he even compared multiple religions and explained his point of view well without hating you for it, you are unlike any Christian I’ve ever met and you show me a new idea on the whole thing. I guess it’s not the message of the bible people reject but you must admit and accept that Genesis is really intense for the mind and doesn’t vibe well with any human right now.......... it is a truly and scary chapter but i do admit the other chapter’s do reflect truth in my heart, I do believe Jesus Christ is the Messiah, I do believe he believed in the Lord and holy spirit and trinity and Love and Light he was definately a loving man no doubt, how you explained it was nice. It gentled my heart. I am studying so many religions right now and I don’t really know what is the right one to belief right now, this comes from my search for the Lord wherever he is and I’m going to eventually find it eventually, i do search God and I do believe I would find it. I met the Lord without religion but it seems like the same lord that honestly wasnt comforting I need to find the right religion and i do want to end the seperation im religion worshipping one Lord rather than Multiple Lords our search is endless for this Lord and who knows which religion. Is the right one.
I feel like, other questions to belief bring in question of What is the Search for God, What does it mean?? Do we have an inner detector that will find this Lord regardless of spiritual beliefs and practices I do not believe in hate and Christian’s tend to rather dish hate rather than love. So thank you for this. I appreciate that shit. I think it’s because they read Genesis and think they know the rest of the Bible I dont know but it does seem Genesis is rigged with the knowledge of good and evil and this shit hurts so much. Energetically and manually it is rigged, maybe it was manipulated with the first chapter to divert you from the truth because this chapter does seem evil and common day Christians do seem evil and hateful especially on this forum, to other shroomerities and close their mind to the complete denial of other religion. But all stuff all jokes and seriousness aside, I do believe in almost every religion to every extent. This is the dissoval of seperation and I do appreciate you took the stance that we come from the same Lord aka God but that word God like you said has been tarnished by humanity maybe by making peace with that word and realizing God as the holy spirit or the holy Ghost aka the Punisher of Hell and Heaven
and the Lord as the White 800 foot tall being with White Hair Standing in a white robe is more comforting. As Krishna as some Demi God on loads of stimulants telling men to fight on the battlefield as the Buddah as some insanely tough and universal gentlemen preaching he was the only way to enlightenment, as Mohammed the instagator of violence Allah this 1000 foot tall old White Man in a white robe, who knows and the ancient God’s i Just throw that out they hold no spiritual relevance in today’s society. Reiki the instigators of Electricity. All religion you can learn from maybe the Ancient Beings need to be transcended too, but no one worships them, anymore, so its all good. I will tell you what and the Catholic Religion the worshipper of the Pope, what else is there veganism, the fruits and vegetables non dairy and meat eaters, and i digress. I think the Divine is the Divine regardless of individuaded belief and exists rather than you believe it or not. White light is heaven. God’s house is a white building with, light. Anyways I digress, good bye have, a great day okay?
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