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psychosis
#26502735 - 02/25/20 08:10 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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the more i read the more i see reports of psychosis....so how many of you experienced this? curious as to how long it takes to go away and if you were able to trip safely again at some point???
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yoosername
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I have a psychosis from an incident where I was exposed to mercury. It's permanent, I'll never be able to trip again.
It will vary case to case, however. For example; someone who has an underlying psychosis that is triggered by drug use, my find that their condition gets progressively worse after using, whereas someone healthy experiencing a bad trip (which some consider a psychosis), would be able to come down and try again later without much risk.
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Sucks that that happened yoosername 
I've heard of cases of people going mad from a single trip, Hamilton Morris's best friend apparently had that happen to him. But I've also tripped many times without issue (other than a bad trip here and there) and I have mental illness in my family. Granted, it was foolish to do it as young as I did (under 18), but it turned out fine.
If you're really worried and have a family history with this type of stuff, I suggest you wait until mid to late twenties, where the probabilities of a mental illness of this type to surging drop off and trip then if I haven't developed anything. If you're younger than that it sounds like a long time, but it's not that long to wait.
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I used to think it was bullshit but I was pretty delusional for a few days following my heroic dose, I was fully convinced they were somehow showing me my actual future rather than my subconscious perceptions. Not that this was destructive at all, in fact it probably helped me integrate, but it was still quite absurd.
The thing is psychedelic psychosis always resolves itself short-term, unless you went into it with these kinds of issues to start with. I know a week later I was like "wtf dude how did u believe that"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26847689/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5813062/
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Yeah it can seriously f*ck with your mind, KJ. It’s this type of mental feeling I have been referring to in related posts; where you can feel it in your bones whether or not you’re overdoing it. Could be as you said, that after your 5g it took a few days to integrate, then you couldn’t understand what all the fuss had been about! That’s how it was for me, having overdone it for about 2 years, except it took me a few months to get over the worst. I think it’s taken another 30 years to get over the rest!
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Re: psychosis [Re: DJ Ed]
#26502851 - 02/25/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, thing is if you really are delusional you wouldn't have the logic to know. IDK, I've found mushrooms to be by far the self-regulating pyschedelic in terms of knowing when to stop, but who knows what one might be thinking?
As long as you go into it knowing that your mind will be affected by a substance, and you should probably defer to your pre-trip judgement for at least little while, I think it's easier to put aside delusions. But they have never convinced me of dangerous things, so I'm not sure whether they could and whether I'd be able to handle it (although I suspect that I would)...
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I had a couple of really heavy liberty cap trips, but it was LSD that I abused!
Recently returned to psychedelics, but have stuck entirely to mushrooms. I have found they tell me when I need a break.........
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Re: psychosis [Re: DJ Ed]
#26502871 - 02/25/20 10:07 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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“The psychotic drowns in the same waters in which the mystic swims with delight.”
I go into what one would consider "psychosis" every trip, except I understand that it is just another dimension of reality, not something to be scared of. Sometimes this connection persists for a little while after a trip as well, as you are integrating your expanded consciousness.
Some people spend years mostly denying a profound spiritual experience because they are afraid of dispensing with their conception of what is healthy, of being labeled schizophrenic, or prescribed antipsychotics. They lack the spiritual understanding, and support system around to ground them in higher knowledge, instead they get stuck breaking through old society conditioning programs, and trying to make sense of their experience from a logical level
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Everyone gets psychosis on trips. Not getting psychosis would mean no visuals, no distortions, no dissociation!
what a trip that would be, lol
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Korean Jesus said: Everyone gets psychosis on trips. Not getting psychosis would mean no visuals, no distortions, no dissociation!
what a trip that would be, lol
Yes, the only difference is fear or something akin to shouting "I'm god!" everywhere they go - takes over the person's mind for whatever reason, a shock to the system from what they experienced and severe lack of spiritual understanding, experience, knowledge and being born into a society with a lack of this as well.
I could have easily turned myself into the psych wards multiple times, except I knew what I was experiencing was real, and that society wouldn't understand and throw labels on me. I've had experiences sober that someone without spiritual development would convince themselves they are going nuts, especially if you haven't broken down all of the societies programs running through your head, and trust in your own experience and intuition.
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Never seen it with mushrooms; however frequently with LSD (& other RC's) use and occasionally (much more mild) with heavy,long-term daily cannabis use.
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Weed has been shown time & time again NOT to cause psychosis (while not intoxicated)
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ninja cat 09
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Korean Jesus said: Weed has been shown time & time again NOT to cause psychosis (while not intoxicated)
I think you're wrong buddy: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(19)30048-3/fulltext
From what I understand of the study, the risk is increased while you use cannabis, especially if it's a high-potency variety.
Back when I was a more socially anxious individual it would really make me have some impactful paranoia, especially when I used it for long times. Now I can laugh most of it off, but back then I was convinced (and possibly right, being a giant white dude in the middle of Mexico) that everyone was staring at me or that they knew I was high or thought I was a shit person.
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As far as psychosis and weed goes, it's really not the weed that causes the psychosis, it's one's predisposition to psychosis that the weed (or other substances) can bring out, though it's been said weed has more potential to induce a psychosis in susceptible individuals compared to Psychedelics. Don't get me wrong, i was a big fan of Cannabis, and still believe it to be a very useful plant, but over time i've realized more of it's potential for negative or undesirable effects, not necessarily something like psychosis, but paranoia and anxiety and feeling awkward and uncomfortable and trippy, which can be useful if approached as a Psychedelic, but as far as regular use goes, been there done that daily for 10 years until recently when i decided to quit. I took Aya daily/near daily for 4 years, and compared to that, Cannabis caused me more side-effects ime.
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Re: psychosis [Re: Sabnock] 1
#26503667 - 02/25/20 05:34 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I agree, it's got side effects that aren't great. It's part of what annoys me about some parts of the cannabis community, it's ridiculous to think that ingesting a drug won't have any side effects. Even having too much water can be dangerous.
That being said, I've been using it almost daily for a while now and it's helped me stay more calm and get stuff done. The only problem I have is when I use an edible that isn't evenly dosed, but even then, I err on the side of caution and tend to use less than I think will work, just in case.
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ninja cat 09 said: I agree, it's got side effects that aren't great. It's part of what annoys me about some parts of the cannabis community, it's ridiculous to think that ingesting a drug won't have any side effects. Even having too much water can be dangerous.
That being said, I've been using it almost daily for a while now and it's helped me stay more calm and get stuff done. The only problem I have is when I use an edible that isn't evenly dosed, but even then, I err on the side of caution and tend to use less than I think will work, just in case.
It's an easy drug to abuse because the spirit of cannabis likes to please your desire, she will accommodate to your intention and desire, you can run away from problems with it, like any other drug, use it as an escape or a relaxer and think it's fine - and just like any other drug, you end up using more, and become a drug addict - smoking more often, turning to concentrates - your problems end up resurfacing more severe later down the road, sometimes in the form of a psychotic break.
Tons of people say "it's my medicine" as an easy denial to their addiction, when in reality they are just using it to get high
It has less severe physical side effects than most other drugs, especially long term, and probably less mental ones as well.. "I've been using it almost daily for a while now and it's helped me stay more calm and get stuff done." can be said for alcohol, xanax or put any drug really in place of that statement
When I was using it daily, I use to think the same things, in reality it was just masking my real problems, I later realized I didn't need cannabis for what I could do myself by natural means and stopped using it entirely, I was addicted to it for quite some time just like any other addict
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Psychedelic psychosis can be really sneaky. Especially if you've been working at it a while, building up more and more complex fantasies. You don't even realise you are in the middle of it when it's happening.
A few years back I did quite a lot of acid and DMT over about 4 or 5 months. I really didn't understand how deep in the hole I was until I was already climbing out. Took about 6 months to come right and another 6 months to hit base line.
It was DMT that stopped me pushing it any further. Major kick in the ass wake up call.
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Eclipse3130 said: When I was using it daily, I use to think the same things, in reality it was just masking my real problems, I later realized I didn't need cannabis for what I could do myself by natural means and stopped using it entirely, I was addicted to it for quite some time just like any other addict
You're right, my use drops when I'm accomplishing and doing more things, I'm in a spot where it's hard to do as much as I'd like, but I'm getting better, started going to therapy. Hopefully I can identify and treat the root of the issues and decide wether I should keep using cannabis or not. For now, I will, but I don't picture myself smoking all day every day in the future.
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Weed will not cause pyschosis. It might exacerbate latent illness but study after study has shown that it is not the cause.
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I just tread lightly after my experience in October. These things can really take you passed the filters of every day life and social views. I bring those same thoughts into my sober mind and it actually freaks me out.
Like the purpose behind all of this. That we are on a rock spinning through space and have a conciousnes mind of our own impermanence. It's just one hell of a rabbit hole when you break it down into perspective from such an absurd point of view.
There's been a few times where I've felt "off the waggon", but that's kind of the whole intent of mushrooms, honestly. It's a wake up call. You don't need to have a reality earth shattering experience to feel the power of an awakening either - that's a huge stigma if I have ever heard one.
We're all a little crazy here. But sober reality and tripping reality... is still reality in different perspectives... even though it feels delusional. Science, logic, math.. all of that becomes all irrelevant. When you realize the bigger picture.
We're so captivated by building bigger things, taking the next step into technology, understanding where and how the universe works.. when in reality it could all be one big video game. One big simulation. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but literally anything can be going on right now.
There's even been times where I am in my head about - what's about if this is all a dream? All of my interaction with all of you is completely in my "head" - and none of this is real - I'm just in a brief dream inside of a meat body.
Sounds "crazy", but it's also crazy to NOT think this way.. like we know what the fuck we are talking about
The universe is the beholder of the key, were just offspring. Wee act like we are so special because we are alive... and have a brain. But then you look into space and see these magnificent creations of planets & stars, galaxy's.. that have no brain(that we know of) and we think we're the alpha. It's something else.
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