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Re: All-in-one grow bag [Re: jcm4620]
#26502445 - 02/24/20 11:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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jcm4620 said: usually all in one bags that are pre made will contain everything but mushrooms lol. pre made shit is trash 75% of the time if not higher then add in the fact you are shooting dirty ass spores into them= a great formula for failure
I am sure that you are right, but I don't think that I am ready to toss these out yet. I guess that you have done this?
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iv never used those bags. id make your own grain and sub. its so easy a 6yr old can do it. and use agar not dirty ass spore syringes. if u do those 3 things i promise you will have more mushies than u know what to do with. the idea of havin all the work done and having it all in 1 bag is appealing but you are just falling for the sexy advertising. you will end up with a marginal yield, more work and spend more time tryin to make it into something it can never be. a lil bit of good old reading and studying on this site will make it easy. ppl here have already failed for you. so if you use their teks to the letter you will b swimming in mushrooms in no time and you will be proud of the effort you put in.
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Re: All-in-one grow bag [Re: jcm4620]
#26502640 - 02/25/20 06:31 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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$20 = more than 20x 66qt tubs worth of grain (@4qts/tub) (50# of grain is like $13)
$20 = 8 coir bricks (in bulk)
Call it $100 for PC and agar supplies. Couple hours of strain isolating and sterilizing grains, and then that +/-$250 investment into 8 tubs worth would yield two dry pounds.
That's mainly what he's getting at I think. And that using agar will get more consistent results.
Looking good though, maybe next time.
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bingo filthđđ not to mention the satisfaction you get by doin it yourself
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Re: All-in-one grow bag [Re: jcm4620]
#26503230 - 02/25/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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jcm4620 said: iv never used those bags. id make your own grain and sub. its so easy a 6yr old can do it. and use agar not dirty ass spore syringes. if u do those 3 things i promise you will have more mushies than u know what to do with. the idea of havin all the work done and having it all in 1 bag is appealing but you are just falling for the sexy advertising. you will end up with a marginal yield, more work and spend more time tryin to make it into something it can never be. a lil bit of good old reading and studying on this site will make it easy. ppl here have already failed for you. so if you use their teks to the letter you will b swimming in mushrooms in no time and you will be proud of the effort you put in.
I understand how easy it is for a 6 year old, but not so much for a septuagenarian. It is an experiment. Sexy advertising had absolutely nothing to do with my decision. I have everything that I need to go to grain, and I may do that. I even have a pet Petri dish. I have purchased a lot of syringes from different vendors, and most of them have been pretty clean except the ones that I got from a vendor who recently changed his name and one from Canada. I know that there is an increased risk of failure, but if you trust your vendors to do what they say they are going to do, then it's not much different than the PF TEK. (Except of course, the work involved.) I know that I won't get the beautiful canopies that you guys strive for, and I won't be "swimming in mushies" but, I don't need that many. I usually take 5gs once or twice a year. I don't sell them. I give them to my friends who like to take them at music festivals and concerts. I usually take them when I need to figure something out. If I get a quarter to a half pound, as I normally get from the PF TEK, that will last me for a couple of years and the experiment will be deemed a success. Some years, I gave them all away, but this year I am dealing with end of life issues and maybe I will find some answers. I wanted to try the pan cyans, but I figured that they were much more difficult than cubensis to grow. My Pet petri.
 I raised it from a little spot.
 Although this is not the preferred method by members of this group, if it works I am a fan. If it doesn't, I will get back up and try something else.
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u obviously missed the point but what ever good luck
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filthyknees said: $20 = more than 20x 66qt tubs worth of grain (@4qts/tub) (50# of grain is like $13)
$20 = 8 coir bricks (in bulk)
Call it $100 for PC and agar supplies. Couple hours of strain isolating and sterilizing grains, and then that +/-$250 investment into 8 tubs worth would yield two dry pounds.
That's mainly what he's getting at I think. And that using agar will get more consistent results.
Looking good though, maybe next time. 
I guess that I need my hearing adjusted. I didn't hear anything like that! I have everything on the list except coir. I think that it is looking pretty good too. The mycelium looks healthy, and it is already colonizing the substrate. I get that using agar will give more consistent results, but if you are using a multi-spore print or syringe you don't really know what properties the fruit is going to have until it appears. If you fruit a multi-spore first, then you can select the fruit that has the traits that are important to you. Some of the fruit may be ugly, but they all work! Thanks for the good wishes.
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Sure thing! I understand if you only need a couple oz every few years, kits might be good.
Good stuff just for hobby stuff though if you find you have the time. Better than tv for me.
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filthyknees said: Sure thing! I understand if you only need a couple oz every few years, kits might be good.
Good stuff just for hobby stuff though if you find you have the time. Better than tv for me.
Yeah, I have seen some of the agar plates and found that mycelium is beautiful. That is why I have my Pet Petri. It is tomentose, and I don't have a clue what would result if I made a liquid culture or a liquid inoculant from it.
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You might have a couple of weeks left before fruiting.
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Re: All-in-one grow bag [Re: Sockadin]
#26503884 - 02/25/20 07:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: You might have a couple of weeks left before fruiting.
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Sockadin said: You might have a couple of weeks left before fruiting.
It certainly does seem to grow pretty rapidly! I was hoping that it would form some rhizomorphic growth, if that makes a difference. However, what I meant was I have no idea what the traits of the fruit will be.
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Hi everyone, my first post, new to the forum, thank you to the OP for sharing your photos and thoughts, I think it is going to be a successful outcome! Please keep everyone posted. I agree with your thoughts about spending precious time :) I started using similar bags 5 days back, as a first experiment I think its a great idea (for me)! There is a lot of great information in this forum, thank you everyone for posting and sharing your knowledge and ideas!
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Re: All-in-one grow bag [Re: mgavatar]
#26508402 - 02/28/20 03:13 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mgavatar said: Hi everyone, my first post, new to the forum, thank you to the OP for sharing your photos and thoughts, I think it is going to be a successful outcome! Please keep everyone posted. I agree with your thoughts about spending precious time  I started using similar bags 5 days back, as a first experiment I think its a great idea (for me)! There is a lot of great information in this forum, thank you everyone for posting and sharing your knowledge and ideas!
I am happy to share the progress of this project with you. I inoculated 2 all-in-one grain bags with 2 strains. The one that I have been taking pictures of is PF Classic the other is PES Amazonian. I inoculated both bags deep into the grain, and I think I may not inject so deeply next time if this one is successful. The Amazons took a lot longer to get to the outside of the bag than the PFs, but both are consolidating well. I haven't decided yet how I am going to fruit them. I may fruit them in my PF fruiting chamber like a big PF cake, or fruit them in the bag with a casing or something else altogether. Share your progress too! Good luck.
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I started with two bags and two strains as well, at a week mark, Mexicana showed some mycelium growth sooner than the B+, I put the whole 10 cc, rookie mistake, but will see  Starting another batch next week with a third different strain and 2 different substrates to compare.
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Re: All-in-one grow bag [Re: mgavatar]
#26513108 - 03/02/20 03:47 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I just transferred my pet petri to 3 jars of rye grain. Which I soaked for 24 hours with caco3 and simmered for 15 minutes, dried for 2 hrs until the grains didn't leave a mark on toilet tissue, sterilized for 90 minutes at 15 psig. I have to say that injecting a bag is a lot easier!
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Here photos day 8, I am using this bluetooth sensor (bought from Amazon) for humidity and temperature, seems to be working well, but would probably need some work around in the fruiting chamber/container when ready.
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Re: All-in-one grow bag [Re: mgavatar]
#26541067 - 03/17/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, to all of those interested, the bag that I have pictured is finished. I am getting ready to move it to a fruiting chamber tomorrow. The PES Amazonians never produced, and the bag got an awful smell so I dumped it into the woods! I don't think that it was the bag, because the PESAs didn't even grow on agar after almost 2 months. From the little dot that started my pet petri, I got 3 quart jars of rye grain. I am currently pasteurizing the coir-vermiculite substrate so that I can spawn the grain to it.
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That bag looks really weird to me... spawn it anyways but I wouldnât be surprised if it went green before the flush.
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Re: All-in-one grow bag [Re: jbgtaa]
#26541356 - 03/17/20 07:00 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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jbgtaa said: That bag looks really weird to me... spawn it anyways but I wouldnât be surprised if it went green before the flush.
I don't think that it was mixed as well as I thought it was. It is now in the fruiting chamber, so I will see what transpires.
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Re: All-in-one grow bag [Re: jbgtaa]
#26541360 - 03/17/20 07:03 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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It looks good. It's a fruit in bag style so the bulk sub layer is there.
Op: Not many people are gonna have experience with this style, most people seem doctrinated to me now days. "Your doing it wrong, or just do agar it is simple" I see far to often on these boards lately.
Maybe I'm just getting up there in age man, but you do you and we are here to help if you need a second opinion.
Bag looks good, hope you get enough for the final ride out of this hell hole!
How do you plan on fruiting your bag?
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