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pinning success! but safe to pluck this veil-broken pin?
    #26502377 - 02/24/20 10:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

hello!

it's with great enthusiasm that I write this. it seems after 1.5 weeks and perhaps too much helicopter parenting my cake, it has finally produced a pin that has broken its veil. but I'm worried because it's right in the middle of a region with other still-forming pins and plucking may bruise & hinder their growth:

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I think I may be over-exposing the cakes to light (10+ hours a day) / overly fanning (I'm using a handheld 4 times a day) / maintaining too high RH (86%-95% at all times except during fanning) which may be encouraging too rapid of growth. temps are always between 71-74F. what might explain the relatively small (but still exciting!!) size? I have two more cakes on their way and I'm hoping to learn as much as possible to maximize my yield. and how would y'all recommend I remove the ripe pin (if at all)?


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Re: pinning success! but safe to pluck this veil-broken pin? [Re: sighmun]
    #26502390 - 02/24/20 10:16 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

thats not a pin thats a fruit that can be plucked anytime. and a 12/12 light schedule is what u want to do. temps fine.


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Re: pinning success! but safe to pluck this veil-broken pin? [Re: sighmun]
    #26502396 - 02/24/20 10:21 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You’re going to want your RH to be as close to 100% as possible. Rule of thumb is that you want your cakes glistening(but not soaked). And honestly, if it were me I would go ahead and just pick them all. In my experience taking a bit at a time just causes the surrounding fruits to stop growing(but not always). Picking right as the veil is breaking(or even right before) is a good habit to get into in my books. Definitely try to get to them before sporulation occurs if you can. And lastly, your mileage may vary, but in my experience with cakes, very often the second flush will fill out the cake more so than the first. This is all subjective though.

Overall, I’d say that you’re not off to a bad start.

Edit: a 12/12 lighting schedule seems to be preferred, but I’ve left town for a day or so before and had the lights on the entire time without any discernible issues.


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Re: pinning success! but safe to pluck this veil-broken pin? [Re: Ryan_Spalding2727]
    #26502416 - 02/24/20 10:42 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Ryan_Spalding2727 said:
You’re going to want your RH to be as close to 100% as possible. Rule of thumb is that you want your cakes glistening(but not soaked). And honestly, if it were me I would go ahead and just pick them all. In my experience taking a bit at a time just causes the surrounding fruits to stop growing(but not always). Picking right as the veil is breaking(or even right before) is a good habit to get into in my books. Definitely try to get to them before sporulation occurs if you can. And lastly, your mileage may vary, but in my experience with cakes, very often the second flush will fill out the cake more so than the first. This is all subjective though.

Overall, I’d say that you’re not off to a bad start.

Edit: a 12/12 lighting schedule seems to be preferred, but I’ve left town for a day or so before and had the lights on the entire time without any discernible issues.




hi Ryan, thanks so much for the reply. I've heard mixed thoughts on spraying the mushies directly so I've only been misting the FC walls and fanning thereafter. perhaps I can alternate this with another cake to experiment. and forgive me for asking but I can't seem to find a clear and recent approach to desiccating the fruit. would I be alright filling a (likely non-airtight) plastic container with silica gel packet desiccants? alternatively I've read preparing mushroom tea right after harvest and freezing them into ice cubes is an effective preservation method. what has worked for you?

and for the second flush I would just need to pluck fruits, rinse with cold water / gently rub the verm off (or no?) and re-roll in verm before returning to the fruiting chamber yes?


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Re: pinning success! but safe to pluck this veil-broken pin? [Re: sighmun]
    #26502418 - 02/24/20 10:45 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Stop overthinking this. If it veil is broke, cut the cap off and print and wait for the rest to mature. Mist heavily (don’t remove from the SGFC) and you will get a second flush. Good luck.


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Re: pinning success! but safe to pluck this veil-broken pin? [Re: jbgtaa]
    #26502455 - 02/24/20 11:55 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Stop overthinking this. If it veil is broke, cut the cap off and print and wait for the rest to mature. Mist heavily (don’t remove from the SGFC) and you will get a second flush. Good luck.



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I'd wait for that cap to flatten out before I cut it to print though. :thumbup:


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Re: pinning success! but safe to pluck this veil-broken pin? [Re: gizmo1]
    #26503697 - 02/25/20 05:46 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

UPDATE

so I should have listened to Ryan the moment I read his post, because overnight almost all the pins on the cake broke their veil with one dumping its spores pretty close to the other cake..




I plucked them off and realized after the fact I probably should have let the cake dry a bit but instead I poured a lil bit of water over the cake and misted heavily to prep it for the 2nd flush.

I put together a lil balance (ordered a legit one from amazon which should get here tomorrow along with epsom salt..) to get a ballpark estimate of my first flush. subtracting the mass of the paper towel I'm at around 9.16g semi-wet (one 5g nickel, two 2.5g pennies (post '82), and a 2.27g dime minus a 3.11g pre-1982 penny which was around the weight of the same size paper towel + tape shown in the pic). I had left them in the fridge within a paper bag for around 11 hours after picking them this morning so I wouldn't say they were totally fresh.

Would anyone have a rough estimate how much these would be cracker-dry? I'm strongly considering taking them for a show tomorrow night and while im no stranger to psilocybin (though my last bonafide trip was a few years ago), id rather not find myself totally lost in the sauce :mushroom2: so any suggestions are warmly welcome.


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Re: pinning success! but safe to pluck this veil-broken pin? [Re: sighmun]
    #26503769 - 02/25/20 06:21 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Dry, you're looking at .9 or so.  Eat them thangs!  Nice relaxation dose.  Make the tea while they're still fresh.  Also don't worry aobut those spores dropping wherever.  Take your most mature cap an print it overnight (put a couple drops of water on the cap to get it to print if it's half dry)- or go sterilize a few qtips and take some dirty ass swabs if they are real dry already.  Then go get some agar and make so many jars you won't ever helicopter parent again! (I love that term for some reason...).  Best of luck! :radman:


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Re: pinning success! but safe to pluck this veil-broken pin? [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #26503975 - 02/25/20 08:12 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

thanks for the reply! so is the rule of thumb 1g wet to 0.1g dry? i've read similarly however I'm not sure these are fully wet so it may be more than 0.9g at hand here..
and how would you prepare the tea? when I did so a few days ago with some invitro preemies I just cut them up and swallowed them whole with the tea mixture.. is this the most effective / palpable way?


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Re: pinning success! but safe to pluck this veil-broken pin? [Re: sighmun]
    #26504035 - 02/25/20 08:45 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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sighmun said:
thanks for the reply! so is the rule of thumb 1g wet to 0.1g dry? i've read similarly however I'm not sure these are fully wet so it may be more than 0.9g at hand here..
and how would you prepare the tea? when I did so a few days ago with some invitro preemies I just cut them up and swallowed them whole with the tea mixture.. is this the most effective / palpable way?




Yes, shrooms are, on average, 90% water. If you're worried about dosage, you could always dry them, but remember potency varies between flushes.

You don't need to eat the mushrooms after you make tea with them. 99% of the actives will dissolve in the water within a couple of minutes. Strain, then eat. Add some honey or lemon if you hate the taste.


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