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Re: Are Mushrooms more euphoric than LSD and MDMA? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26502982 - 02/25/20 11:16 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Wait, it's possible to do DMT with no extraction?
Could you link a tek to that? I've only seen advanced (for me) chem stuff.




As Pandemoon said, it's very easy to consume the Mimosa/Acacia root, just brew it up as a tea, and drink it like 30 minutes to an hour after taking an MAO-A inhibitor. You can also evaporate a Mimosa/Acacia tea dose down and scrape up the residue and encapsulate it, or even encapsulate the straight root bark powder though the root powder is harder on the gut than tea or residue, but it's definitely effective ime.

As for extracting DMT to smoke, when i've done it i merely used washing soda and warm/hot 99% iso alcohol then evaporate the alcohol onto a little bit of an herb and once dry it can be smoked as is or combined with Harmala extract or Caapi leaf for Changa, or you can take the Harmala's orally and then sometime later smoke the herb. That method of DMT extraction works but is cruder compared to using Naptha/lighter fluid for pure crystals. I just stick to oral DMT though, imo it offers a fuller experience, more like Psilocin but more intense and a little shorter in duration. There's lots of info on DMT at the DMT Nexus.


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Re: Are Mushrooms more euphoric than LSD and MDMA? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26502995 - 02/25/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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DMT sounds crazy. Definitely something I want to try but haven't been able to find it just yet. Heard you can get a similar experience from way too much shrooms though?




It's very similar, depending on the MAOI on you take with it.
I prefer mushroom brew, personally, because it has more of that journey sort of feel to it.
DMT can be so easy on you that sometimes you don't really feel like you were part of the experience, but just a member of the audience.


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Re: Are Mushrooms more euphoric than LSD and MDMA? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26503175 - 02/25/20 01:13 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Still making it up as you go along. :undecided:



nope





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People forgetting that mescaline is the best, if we’re talking pure euphoria and not benefit to one’s life



Mescaline is a very potent substance and has changed many people's lives for the better. Just recently I had a friend who was deep in the shit with meth and a foot of cactus turned his life around, opened his eyes. People have also had hellish journeys with it. It's not to be underestimated.

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mesc is the purest phenethylamine




Mescaline is a substituted phenethylamine. Pure phenethylamine itself is a backbone in chemistry for many substances in many different classes of substances.

Amphetamine, ephedrine, dopamine, adrenaline, methamphetamine, MDMA, cathinones... Many more, all part of the same group called substituted phenethylamines.


I'm not trying to pick on you, but often I read your posts and they are made up stuff. I get that it's new and exciting for you man, take your time, there is much to learn and you have a whole lifetime to acquire the knowledge. You don't have to have an opinion on everything.  :peace:


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Re: Are Mushrooms more euphoric than LSD and MDMA? [Re: footpath]
    #26503220 - 02/25/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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DMT sounds crazy. Definitely something I want to try but haven't been able to find it just yet. Heard you can get a similar experience from way too much shrooms though?




DMT can be so easy on you that sometimes you don't really feel like you were part of the experience, but just a member of the audience.




Smoked DMT maybe, but oral DMT is way more of an actual journey/experience, even Changa seems to be an experience though not as full imo as taking the stuff orally.


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Re: Are Mushrooms more euphoric than LSD and MDMA? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26503444 - 02/25/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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People forgetting that mescaline is the best, if we’re talking pure euphoria and not benefit to one’s life





Only reason I didnt mention mescaline is because I have not tried it. I have no idea what it's like. But I've read reports and it seems like it is often regarded as very euphoric but also that the bad trips tend to be worse than on other psychedelics.


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Re: Are Mushrooms more euphoric than LSD and MDMA? [Re: footpath]
    #26503456 - 02/25/20 03:48 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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If you're looking to get fucked up, feel great in the moment, and have a fun time party party... mushrooms aren't really the go-to.
Although I have personally had some of my best fun time party parties on mushrooms.

Hippy flips sound fantastic. But, alas, I've never gotten anything beyond the mushroom from the times I've tried.




I agree. I prefer to take mushrooms in the comfort of my own home. I've raved with LSD and MDMA but I dont think I would consider raving with mushrooms. Maybe 1.5 - 1.75g tops.


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Re: Are Mushrooms more euphoric than LSD and MDMA? [Re: Sabnock] * 1
    #26503463 - 02/25/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Idk, oral DMT/Aya is pretty damn euphoric for me, so too has been Psilohuasca, in fact my last Psilohuasca experience using 35mgs of 4-ACO-DMT with 2.5 grams of Rue seed and 4 grams of Lemon Balm tea, had me in full on ecstasy, if it can get any more euphoric than that, then holy crap lol. I highly recommend Psilohuasca dudes, i mean it. Though at the same time, mindset can play a role i think, but if you can manage to navigate yourself into an ecstatic state, you're good to go.




If I get the chance to try any form of DMT I will likely take it given my set and setting are dialed in. I hope that opportunity arises soon but I know it will come when I'm ready.


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Re: Are Mushrooms more euphoric than LSD and MDMA? [Re: TokeItUp12]
    #26503487 - 02/25/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Smoked DMT maybe, but oral DMT is way more of an actual journey/experience, even Changa seems to be an experience though not as full imo as taking the stuff orally.




I've only even taken oral DMT.
I'm not saying that it's less of an experience than mushrooms by any means, just that it can feel like a stroll in the park.
Whereas high doses of mushrooms almost always feel like a bit of an endurance trial... which is what I'm after when I'm looking to partake in that kind of experience.

Could easily just be my own experience with it.


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Re: Are Mushrooms more euphoric than LSD and MDMA? [Re: footpath]
    #26503507 - 02/25/20 04:18 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Smoked DMT maybe, but oral DMT is way more of an actual journey/experience, even Changa seems to be an experience though not as full imo as taking the stuff orally.




I've only even taken oral DMT.
I'm not saying that it's less of an experience than mushrooms by any means, just that it can feel like a stroll in the park.
Whereas high doses of mushrooms almost always feel like a bit of an endurance trial... which is what I'm after when I'm looking to partake in that kind of experience.

Could easily just be my own experience with it.




How much Harmalas have you taken when going for oral DMT? If you're talking about an endurance trial, lol, oral DMT is definitely up there, far more than any Psilocin experience i've had thus far. Which of course isn't to say Psilocin can't do it, just that, oral DMT is very intense and powerful, especially with a hefty dosage of Harmalas/Rue. Imo if you think oral DMT is a stroll in the park, you didn't take enough, could be wrong, could just be your response, but it ain't considered one of the most powerful and intense Psychedelic experiences there is in the world for nothing, it can be very psychologically challenging and overwhelming. Some people are what they term hardheads when it comes to DMT, though it's likely more to do with Harmala dosage and timing between the Harmalas and the DMT. How many times, and how much, have you tried taking of the Aya? If you don't have much experience with it, i highly recommend further pursuing it, and remember it's trial and error, you've gotta experiment and try out different dosages and timing.

Oral DMT with Moclobemide though, i can see not being as powerful as Aya, but Moclobemide is still cool too though, i just prefer and recommend the Harmalas over Moclobemide.


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Re: Are Mushrooms more euphoric than LSD and MDMA? [Re: Sabnock] * 1
    #26504280 - 02/26/20 01:45 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Hey Sabnock,

When everyone is talking “oral DMT” on here, please correct me if I’m wrong, but  is oral DMT “Ayahuasca”?

So smoked DMT crystals shoot you into hyperspace for ten minutes, and is described as the most potent psychoactive known to man.

But Ayahuasca spreads that 10 minutes over 4 to 5 hours, meaning it is no longer the strongest psychoactive substance known to man.

Also read lots of other stuff on the uses of ayahuasca vs psilocin for healing purposes; never having taking ayahuasca, what I’ve been led to believe is that they are very similar, and that psilocin is equally as beneficial for healing as ayahuasca.

Working my way up to trying psilocin and Syrian rue seeds, so may be able to add more well-thought out comments when I have some personal experience........

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Re: Are Mushrooms more euphoric than LSD and MDMA? [Re: Sabnock] * 1
    #26504430 - 02/26/20 06:59 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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How many times, and how much, have you tried taking of the Aya? If you don't have much experience with it, i highly recommend further pursuing it, and remember it's trial and error, you've gotta experiment and try out different dosages and timing.



Granted, you may be right that I'm inexperienced with DMT compared to mushroom compounds. I've really lost count of the times I've taken mushrooms - probably 1000+ perceptive doses. High doses (10g+ of cubesis), ~100.
I've taken Aya several dozen times. Most of those were MHRB/Caapi, some MHRB/Syrian Rue, Acacia/Syrian Rue only a few times, and P.Viridis/Caapi twice.
Generally, I'll take 4g MHRB / 30g Caapi or 3g Rue. It, for sure, sends me off.. I'm not a hardhead nor am I preparing it wrong. In fact, the reason I decided to try high doses of mushrooms was because of the intrigue birthed from my experiences with oral DMT.

I definitely notice Ayas with Syrian Rue being more akin to what I experience with heavy cubensis brews, whereas caapi is very soft. But there's still a specific flavor about the mushroom experience.
Again, I think my description (based on subjective experiences) just might be leaving the wrong impression.
I've certainly had challenging times with both, and I revere them both for their power. I consider them only minutely different experientially.
But mushrooms leave me with a stronger sense of perseverance. I dunno how else to explain it - could easily just be me.

People may revere DMT so highly because, how often do you hear of people taking much more than 7g of cubensis?
The potency of the material will certainly give it a reputation.


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Re: Are Mushrooms more euphoric than LSD and MDMA? [Re: Northerner]
    #26504517 - 02/26/20 08:33 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Still making it up as you go along. :undecided:



nope





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People forgetting that mescaline is the best, if we’re talking pure euphoria and not benefit to one’s life



Mescaline is a very potent substance and has changed many people's lives for the better. Just recently I had a friend who was deep in the shit with meth and a foot of cactus turned his life around, opened his eyes. People have also had hellish journeys with it. It's not to be underestimated.

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mesc is the purest phenethylamine




Mescaline is a substituted phenethylamine. Pure phenethylamine itself is a backbone in chemistry for many substances in many different classes of substances.

Amphetamine, ephedrine, dopamine, adrenaline, methamphetamine, MDMA, cathinones... Many more, all part of the same group called substituted phenethylamines.


I'm not trying to pick on you, but often I read your posts and they are made up stuff. I get that it's new and exciting for you man, take your time, there is much to learn and you have a whole lifetime to acquire the knowledge. You don't have to have an opinion on everything.  :peace:




Maybe I wasn’t being specific enough. Of the seretonergic pyschedelics, mescaline is the closest thing to a pure phenethylamine. Yes, other substances might technically be actual vs substituted or whatever, but of LSD, mesc & psilocin mesc is the most phenethylamine.

And no, my posts are not made up stuff. Please correct me if my science is wrong, we all make mistakes and I don’t doubt that I’m not the most knowledgeable person here, but at least the vast majority of what I put down (disregarding opinions) is substantiated and based on facts/studies.


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Re: Are Mushrooms more euphoric than LSD and MDMA? [Re: footpath]
    #26504538 - 02/26/20 09:01 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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How many times, and how much, have you tried taking of the Aya? If you don't have much experience with it, i highly recommend further pursuing it, and remember it's trial and error, you've gotta experiment and try out different dosages and timing.



Granted, you may be right that I'm inexperienced with DMT compared to mushroom compounds. I've really lost count of the times I've taken mushrooms - probably 1000+ perceptive doses. High doses (10g+ of cubesis), ~100.
I've taken Aya several dozen times. Most of those were MHRB/Caapi, some MHRB/Syrian Rue, Acacia/Syrian Rue only a few times, and P.Viridis/Caapi twice.
Generally, I'll take 4g MHRB / 30g Caapi or 3g Rue. It, for sure, sends me off.. I'm not a hardhead nor am I preparing it wrong. In fact, the reason I decided to try high doses of mushrooms was because of the intrigue birthed from my experiences with oral DMT.

I definitely notice Ayas with Syrian Rue being more akin to what I experience with heavy cubensis brews, whereas caapi is very soft. But there's still a specific flavor about the mushroom experience.
Again, I think my description (based on subjective experiences) just might be leaving the wrong impression.
I've certainly had challenging times with both, and I revere them both for their power. I consider them only minutely different experientially.
But mushrooms leave me with a stronger sense of perseverance. I dunno how else to explain it - could easily just be me.

People may revere DMT so highly because, how often do you hear of people taking much more than 7g of cubensis?
The potency of the material will certainly give it a reputation.




With Mimosa, 5 to 8 grams with 4+ grams of Rue is what i go for, with Acacia i go for 10 grams usually, and the higher the Rue/Harmala/Caapi dose, the more Ayahuasca-like things are, you've definitely gotta experiment around with higher/heavier Harmala dosages for proper Huasca, it becomes like a completely different substance. The issue is that a lot of people tend to use just enough Harmalas to orally activate DMT but not enough to enter proper Harmala territory, which is where the true magic comes from. When it comes to Ayahuasca, it's not merely orally active DMT, the main active ingredient is the Harmalas, the DMT is secondary. The same also applies to Psilohuasca, even though the Rue can be noticeable at 2 to 2.5 grams, but 4+ grams of Rue is where the Huasca effects become really more noticeable.

So keep that in mind, higher/heavier Rue/Caapi/Harmala dosages are where it's at, sure there may be nausea or vomiting, but it's well worth it.


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Re: Are Mushrooms more euphoric than LSD and MDMA? [Re: Sabnock] * 1
    #26504546 - 02/26/20 09:13 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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And no, my posts are not made up stuff. Please correct me if my science is wrong, we all make mistakes and I don’t doubt that I’m not the most knowledgeable person here, but at least the vast majority of what I put down (disregarding opinions) is substantiated and based on facts/studies.




Well, much of what those studies produce can't be regarded as facts. Controversies, sure.
But a lot of it is rat testing or testing of very limited control groups.
You can look at more popular and heavily-tested drugs to more clearly see the inconsistencies of our knowledge of biochemical actions/interactions.


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So keep that in mind, higher/heavier Rue/Caapi/Harmala dosages are where it's at, sure there may be nausea or vomiting, but it's well worth it.




I will certainly keep that in mind.
I've not been at all disappointed by the extent of the magic that I've received from them thus far, but perhaps I do need to push it a little further to have a better grasp on it.

I've had the desire again lately - it's been some time. I'm sure I'll pique your brain/posts about it.
Are you more active here or on the Nexus?


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Re: Are Mushrooms more euphoric than LSD and MDMA? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26504549 - 02/26/20 09:15 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Hey Sabnock,

When everyone is talking “oral DMT” on here, please correct me if I’m wrong, but  is oral DMT “Ayahuasca”?

So smoked DMT crystals shoot you into hyperspace for ten minutes, and is described as the most potent psychoactive known to man.

But Ayahuasca spreads that 10 minutes over 4 to 5 hours, meaning it is no longer the strongest psychoactive substance known to man.

Also read lots of other stuff on the uses of ayahuasca vs psilocin for healing purposes; never having taking ayahuasca, what I’ve been led to believe is that they are very similar, and that psilocin is equally as beneficial for healing as ayahuasca.

Working my way up to trying psilocin and Syrian rue seeds, so may be able to add more well-thought out comments when I have some personal experience........

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As i mentioned in my response to footpath, when it comes to Ayahuasca, it's not merely orally active DMT, the main ingredient of Ayahuasca is the Harmalas/Caapi/Rue, the DMT is secondary. You want to use high/heavy dosages of the Harmalas/Caapi/Rue for proper Ayahuasca/Psilohuasca. A lot of people use low to moderate dosages of Harmalas/Caapi/Rue in order to avoid the heavy body load and possible nausea or vomiting, but while that does suck, it's worth putting up with.

Also smoked DMT is very different compared to having it with Harmalas in the mix, even in the case of Changa. it is true that the duration is stretched out and so it's more stretched out and a little less intense than smoked DMT, but it's still very intense/powerful, more so than Psilocin, and is quite the different experience than smoked DMT or even oral DMT using low to moderate dosages of Harmalas/Caapi/Rue.

The Harmalas make all the difference, whether using oral DMT or mushrooms/4-ACO-DMT (Psilocin), you want to make sure you use high/heavy Harmala dosages and time the consumption of the DMT or Psilocin when gut MAO-A is fully inhibited for proper activation/potentiation, so like 30 minutes to an hour after the Harmalas take the DMT or Psilocin.


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Re: Are Mushrooms more euphoric than LSD and MDMA? [Re: footpath] * 1
    #26504552 - 02/26/20 09:16 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

footpath, i'm active both here and at the Nexus, at the Nexus i go under the name ShamensStamen. So i'm usually always checking out both forums.


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    #26504567 - 02/26/20 09:28 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Thank you, sir, rating given 👍🏻


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Re: Are Mushrooms more euphoric than LSD and MDMA? [Re: TokeItUp12]
    #26508955 - 02/28/20 09:57 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I was actually just talking to my boyfriend about something similar the other day!  We were coming out of a trip, and I remember once finding the ability to move and sit up, I just sat cross legged on my bed with my eyes closed, and it might be one of the most euphoric moments of my life.

Afterwards, I told him this, and we were discussing the euphoria felt from MDMA vs. mushrooms.  Though both can be very beautifully euphoric, we both agree that somehow the euphoria from mushrooms feels like everything in the world is experiencing that euphoria with you, whereas for MDMA (though we've never done too high of a dose) you're still at least aware that that's not the case.  The euphoria on mushrooms, to us at least, feels more meaningful :smile:


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Re: Are Mushrooms more euphoric than LSD and MDMA? [Re: TokeItUp12]
    #26509986 - 02/29/20 04:26 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

There’s no right or wrong answer to this question; it varies from person to person. For me, LSD has always been the most consistently euphoric psychedelic for me. Super deep euphoria too; just flooded with divine love, and bliss....truly tapped into something deep & special & way bigger than myself. It’s been years since I’ve eaten mushrooms, and while I’ve definitely been truly euphoric on them as well with a similar divine love/bliss/connected to something deeper & bigger....I’ve had more dysphoric & emotionally labile experiences with them. I eventually stopped, as LSD has always suited me better & with far more healing/growth. I’ve been feeling that it’s time to revisit mushrooms for years now though, but have always gotten cold feet. But the call is strong now. Not mentioned in the OP, but mescaline is another one with incredible euphoria. I like mescaline about as much as LSD.


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Re: Are Mushrooms more euphoric than LSD and MDMA? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #26513992 - 03/03/20 05:33 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

the one you are on now or next is or will be the most euphoric, because it is the best of all worlds right now, or the best possible when you can begin your trip.
anything else is out of scope.
lately I am gravitating towards 1cplsd, but that is just the latest iteration of lysergamides; and each when it emerged and found it's way into my system was best.

My cousin and I used to have a great time comparing strains of weed, and to be sure the last toke was always the better one for many reasons, all of them completely bonkers.


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