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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: F-Bomb]
    #26498925 - 02/22/20 07:08 PM (4 years, 8 days ago)

f-bomb, thanks for that link. i think the coffee thing is considered outdated these days, but maybe there's something to it. ... i'm firing up a couple atl7 clones, ready to give this a go. i got another dumbshit idea i'm working on, but i doubt i'll end up posting it. predicting total failure.

marmaladov, i shake when i'm damn well good and ready. seen some people don't shake, recommend against it or something. color changes to beige and brown happen after some weeks, in my experience.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #26498929 - 02/22/20 07:12 PM (4 years, 8 days ago)

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I found em to be about the same potency. But the high/buzz is a bit more electric.. like good e without the speed/crash.





agreed completely. tamps beat cubes with a billy club.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: J. Jack Flash]
    #26498930 - 02/22/20 07:14 PM (4 years, 8 days ago)

Whats a good dose of ATL fruits? like oh shit, a dragon walked in.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
    #26498945 - 02/22/20 07:24 PM (4 years, 8 days ago)


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Got a few jars and bags of bird seed and popcorn going well with ATL#7 from both multispore and a couple different batches of LC. They myc is fluffy and white and only about 30 to 40% colonized in most of the jars and bags.

So the consensus is to shake once around now and then never shake again until I dig out the truffles in a couple months and or spawn to bulk, right? And around when does the myc start turning funny colors? I'm looking forward to that.




Yeah I only shook once.  Some took forever to colonize.

I think the colors started around the 7-9 week mark and got more interesting as time went on.

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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: J. Jack Flash]
    #26498997 - 02/22/20 07:54 PM (4 years, 8 days ago)

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f-bomb, thanks for that link. i think the coffee thing is considered outdated these days, but maybe there's something to it. ... i'm firing up a couple atl7 clones, ready to give this a go. i got another dumbshit idea i'm working on, but i doubt i'll end up posting it. predicting total failure.



You're welcome.  I came across it and after reading about it on the forum I figured I'd take the plunge.  That entire site has a bunch of older tried and true methods on it.

I hear that constantly about coffee but it seems like it makes a difference in my stuff.  People say it's a "contamination vector" but these particular jars sat for a month after sterilization because I was busy.  I rotate my jars in a way where everything sits for a minimum 14 days to prove sterility and I haven't lost one yet.  All cooked following Bod's PC tek.

Here's to hoping your experiment works out.  I actually just made some jars of 50/50 oats and wheat berries with a week's worth of coffee grounds in them....  Looks like pepper all over. Itching to see how they do, I'm going to run a side by side with the same culture. 

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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Crackatoa]
    #26499467 - 02/23/20 06:35 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

crackatoa, shooting for the stars, i brew tea from 7g+. probably overkill, but when there's no shortage, why fuck around?


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: J. Jack Flash]
    #26499989 - 02/23/20 02:09 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

What kind of dosages of stones?  5g in some tea yesterday had all the colors supersaturated and I was really excitable/giggly.  Nausea was pretty spectacular

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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: F-Bomb]
    #26500057 - 02/23/20 02:53 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

i like gnoshing on stones for being social, live shows and whatnot. which is to say i don't usually measure. 5g fresh sounds like a good place to start.

sucks it made you nauseous. i hear combining it with a gram or so of dried ginger takes the edge off.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: J. Jack Flash]
    #26500274 - 02/23/20 05:54 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

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crackatoa, shooting for the stars, i brew tea from 7g+. probably overkill, but when there's no shortage, why fuck around?





:mindblown:

That would take me out of my body.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: MacMerdin]
    #26500564 - 02/23/20 09:19 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

i mean... yeah.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: J. Jack Flash]
    #26500834 - 02/24/20 02:36 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

I've been eating 19g at a time, is that a lot? I thought recommended dosage on these was 15g. My tolerance is high though so it's hard for me to tell, other ppl trip way harder than me lately. That's what didn't make sense to me, they're supposed to be 2-3x stronger than cubes but I have to eat more than an eighth? Or is that just for the fruits? Ate pajaritos stones last night.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: J. Jack Flash]
    #26500990 - 02/24/20 07:01 AM (4 years, 6 days ago)

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i like gnoshing on stones for being social, live shows and whatnot. which is to say i don't usually measure. 5g fresh sounds like a good place to start.

sucks it made you nauseous. i hear combining it with a gram or so of dried ginger takes the edge off.



I think it might have been a one off, had another round of them and was fine.  7g is a really fun place.

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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: F-Bomb]
    #26501008 - 02/24/20 07:23 AM (4 years, 6 days ago)

spiritlands, in general, i consider dried tamps roughly equivalent to cubes in strength. the effects are just less harsh imo. 15g is a tonne.
of course there's a range. psych strength can vary a lot. could be yours are fairly impotent. it's ok, it happens to all of us at some point.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: spiritlands] * 4
    #26501048 - 02/24/20 07:57 AM (4 years, 6 days ago)

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I've been eating 19g at a time, is that a lot? I thought recommended dosage on these was 15g. My tolerance is high though so it's hard for me to tell, other ppl trip way harder than me lately. That's what didn't make sense to me, they're supposed to be 2-3x stronger than cubes but I have to eat more than an eighth? Or is that just for the fruits? Ate pajaritos stones last night.




It's always hard to wrap my brain around it but this has been my reference and it has followed suit (for me)

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Fresh, sclerotia is twice as potent as fresh P. cubensis.
Dry, sclerotia two thirds as potent as dry P. cubensis.

The discrepancy of scaling between fresh to dry is due to the low(er) water content of sclerotia vs. a fruit body. While 90% of the mass of a fresh fruit is water, only 70% of sclerotia is water. However, the actual dry mass of sclerotia contains less (2/3rds) the psilocin/psilocybin of a fruit body. The fruit bodys of a sclerotia forming fungi are reported to be notably more potent than P. cubensis.

The fruit bodies of psilocybe mexicana are reported to have around the same potency as pan cyans.




Footnote: The last comment in the above quote on sclerotia fruits being on par with pans maybe be a little stretch from my reading, but I can't confirm or deny personally in my experience as I'm looking to get my first stone fruits.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11140509

So let's think of the dry equivalency first.  Let's call cubes our baseline - a relative strength of 1.  Sclerotia is 2/3 (e.g. .67x) as potent as Cubes. That means you need 1.5x the amount of dry sclerotia to equal the same potency of dried cubes.  .67 (relative strength) x 1.5 = 1

So we need 1.5g dried sclerotia to equal 1g dried cubes.

The thing is though unless you have jaws of steel you're not munching down on dried sclerotia.  So you need to convert dried sclerotia to an equivalent fresh weight so you have a dried cubes to fresh sclerotia comparison. 

Since fresh sclerotia are 70% water, that means the remaining 30% is equivalent to the dried mass.  We need to find a total fresh weight (we'll call it x) where if we take 30% of it, we're left with our 1.5g dried.  So .3x = 1.5.  Solve to find x and we find that x = 5.  So 5g fresh sclerotia is as potent as 1.5g dried sclerotia. And since 1.5g dried sclerotia is as potent as 1g dried cubes we get the following:

5g fresh sclerotia = 1.5g dried sclerotia = 1g dried cubes OR...

5g fresh sclerotia = 1g dried cubes

Another way of saying it is you need to eat 5 times as much fresh sclerotia by weight to equal the same dried weight of cubes.

To prove out the other statement "Fresh, sclerotia is twice as potent as fresh P. cubensis" we know fresh cubes are 90% water (aka 10% dry mass). We need to find a total fresh weight (we'll call it x) where if we take 10% of it, we're left with our 1g dried.  So .1x = 1.  Solve to find x and we find that x = 10.  So 10g fresh cubes = 1g dried cubes.  Let's combine with our equation above.

5g fresh sclerotia = 1g dried cubes = 10g fresh cubes  OR...

5g fresh sclerotia = 10g fresh cubes

So we see that fresh sclerotia is twice as potent as fresh cubes.

To summarize:

5g fresh sclerotia = 1.5g dried sclerotia = 1g dried cubes = 10g fresh cubes

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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: J. Jack Flash]
    #26501054 - 02/24/20 07:59 AM (4 years, 6 days ago)

yellow guys!

I'm 6 months into a decent stone grow in multiple stages. Thought i would say hi. I'm just wrappubg up my spawn jars and making them all into 50/50 coir tek. I have a big mono I was going to start fruiting today. Then I have some mini mono tubs that I plan on placing in my Poor Mand Pod Fruiting Chamber (Shhhh!)

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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: PumpJackTeX]
    #26501797 - 02/24/20 03:58 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

So. . . Finally trying tamps again. . .

Failed to fruit last attempt, and didn't seem to grow any stones in 4 months. . .

This time, streaked with flow hood, all clean and growing. . .

Should I wait for petri pin and clone or go with fastest growth?

I may be impatient and make an interim LC to experiment on a few jars. . . Then clone petri pin when they appear. . . I'm assuming that they'll pin on agar? . .


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Bobbit]
    #26501806 - 02/24/20 04:01 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Ive never had em on agar. Agar stones yes. Clone one of them.

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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #26501890 - 02/24/20 04:38 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

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Ive never had em on agar. Agar stones yes. Clone one of them.



Cheers for the heads up.

Whilst spawning my last 'attempt' I placed 3 colonised rye grains on a fresh plate. Each grew a 'mound' under it making mini myc volcanoes. These stayed white though? Did your stones on agar change colour?


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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: 345536345]
    #26501941 - 02/24/20 05:05 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

And you can’t argue with maths

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Re: The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion [Re: Bobbit]
    #26501947 - 02/24/20 05:08 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

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Ive never had em on agar. Agar stones yes. Clone one of them.



Cheers for the heads up.

Whilst spawning my last 'attempt' I placed 3 colonised rye grains on a fresh plate. Each grew a 'mound' under it making mini myc volcanoes. These stayed white though? Did your stones on agar change colour?




I dont remember but stone plates do get funky looking.

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