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Mescaline + high dose cannabis edibles = bad idea * 1
    #26500876 - 02/24/20 03:35 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Hi all

Just putting a warning out there to anyone who's considering this combo.

TLDR:
Taking mescaline (san pedro) and a high dose weed brownie is not recommended

Recommended safer ways of combining these two substances:
1) Take a decent dose of mescaline and vape/smoke some good bud after the peak.
2) Take a mircodose of mescaline and then take some edibles (not too much! start low and build up over multiple sessions)

Some extra details:

I feel embarrassed and a bit disgusted with myself over how i conducted my trip over the weekend. I made a classic rookie mistake of combining two potent substances without testing the waters with both first.

It was my first time doing a proper mescaline dose (san pedro tea). It was a beautiful, mellow experience that I will no doubt repeat in the not too distant future. Apart from purging on the comeup (and difficulty obtaining it), i see no negatives with this substance.

I was having a good trip after purging - peaked at about 3:30 hours and rode the wave until hour 5 or so. Things had mellowed out by this point. Then for some reason my brain decided: "it's time to keep this party going baby". Ugh.

Don't ask me why. I had had a dream the night before I where I was speaking with the band members of the Red Hot Chili Peppers, telling them how they were one of my favorite bands when I was a teenager. Mainly because of this, my drugged-out brain decided that it wasn't a moronic idea at all that that dream was a prophesy about me taking a weed edible and listening to the band's discography.

Because I was tripping, I didn't gauge how strong the edible would be. I inadvertently took the highest edible dose of weed I have done yet (about 120mg). Also because it was my first mescaline experience, i didn't realize how long it stays in your system (it's a long time). So dumb...

Cutting a long story short, the two substances were pulling in two different directions at their full force. The weed "diffracted" the feelings of psychedelic love and oneness from the mescaline, and overlaid them with unnecessarily detailed thought patterns. There was a lot going on, but not much emotional depth/meaning. Just over-stimulation.

This went on for 3-4 hours. It was exhausting. Every time I stopped moving I would go into a spiral of muddy mental weirdness embodied by a gross combination of extreme vasodilation and vasoconstriction at the same time. My only option was to shuffle around tiredly doing a kind of wavy snake dance to keep from focusing on what was happening in my head. I should add that i took a decent dose of kratom as well to combat the anxiety - it didn't make things much better, and added a kind of acidic opiate-type nausea. At one point I looked at myself in the mirror and I looked like a typical "fucked-up druggie" - huge pupils with dark circles under my puffy red eyes. Peak self-disgust.

Sleep was crappy, and I'm irritable today. 24 hours later I still have some slight comedown tiredness. Lesson learned.

The positives of the experience were:
- Learning the effectiveness of meditating/ focusing the mind and deep stretching in alleviating mental hyperactivity.
- Insight that I need to kick my recreational kratom use. I've been doing a binge once a month for quite some time. It's just not worth the burned out feeling afterwards. Psychedelics are more generative by themselves.

Hope this helps inform someone down the line to not repeat my mistakes. Stay safe all,
TE


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Re: Mescaline + cannabis edibles = bad idea [Re: TheEschatologist]
    #26501643 - 02/24/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

There's nothing wrong with the combination of cannabis & mescaline. Just because you had a bad time with it doesn't mean that's the inherent nature of the combination.


I've done it before several times, many other folks have. I've done it before with LSD and mushrooms in the mix as well.

Cannabis edibles & mescaline is a favorite of one of the members around here.




But yea...cannabis can intensify psychedelics dramatically and bring in a totally different "layer" or aspect to the experience.

Taking the largest dose of an edible you've ever taken in combo with your first proper/full dose of mescaline is probably where you went wrong...Not knowing how you'd respond to either by themselves. And 120mg edible is a pretty big dose of THC.


Large pupils and puffy red eyes doesn't necessarily = "Fucked up druggie" to me :shrug: ...Unless that's how you choose to perceive it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with having large pupils and red eyes, that's what happens when one takes a psychedelic and/or cannabis. I don't see why one should feel disgusted about themselves because of that, at all. There is nothing wrong with tripping on psychedelics or getting stoned on cannabis.




But yea...that's a lesson learned for ya :shrug: lol.





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Re: Mescaline + cannabis edibles = bad idea [Re: openmind]
    #26501697 - 02/24/20 02:44 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Cannabis synergizes very well with mescaline, it really boosts the effects. Hitting the bong during a cactus trip is just amazing.

Overall it's a very nice combo. But I can see that a high dosed edible can turn a good trip upside down quickly. :smirk:

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Re: Mescaline + cannabis edibles = bad idea [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26502567 - 02/25/20 04:30 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Just to be clear, I'm not saying mescaline and cannabis is a bad combo. In the appropriate dosages i can see them going together like bread and jam. In fact I'm planning on combining them next time for sure. I just took way too much THC with zero tolerance and feel stupid for ruining something positive (mesc is beautiful). I can see taking half the edible dose i took while on the same amount of mescaline as being something quite desirable.

Re the "looking f'd up" comment, it was more of an expression of how crappy I felt at the time. I'm sure if i was feeling good and saw myself in the mirror i'd be like "ayy right on my man :smile:" No judgement on how people look while tripping :thumbup:


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Re: Mescaline + cannabis edibles = bad idea [Re: TheEschatologist]
    #26502581 - 02/25/20 04:54 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Hahaha, I completely disagree.

I took a 125mg edible a little over a month ago, and it was turning scary, time dilating, and I was in for a bad time. Luckily, I had done half a cactus a few hours earlier and the potentiation that proceeded was amazing and saved the experience!  I began to have a ridiculously strong trip, full open eye visuals of cars and people moving in symmetric patterns. It was fucking wild. Would definitely recommend :smile:


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Re: Mescaline + cannabis edibles = bad idea [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26502637 - 02/25/20 06:28 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Well that's interesting. Sounds like we had the exact opposite of each others' experiences.

Kind of wish we had had the same experience though (yours) :dielaughing:


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Re: Mescaline + cannabis edibles = bad idea [Re: TheEschatologist]
    #26503198 - 02/25/20 01:23 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

TheEschatologist said:
Just to be clear, I'm not saying mescaline and cannabis is a bad combo. In the appropriate dosages i can see them going together like bread and jam. In fact I'm planning on combining them next time for sure. I just took way too much THC with zero tolerance and feel stupid for ruining something positive (mesc is beautiful). I can see taking half the edible dose i took while on the same amount of mescaline as being something quite desirable.

Re the "looking f'd up" comment, it was more of an expression of how crappy I felt at the time. I'm sure if i was feeling good and saw myself in the mirror i'd be like "ayy right on my man :smile:" No judgement on how people look while tripping :thumbup:






I hear ya.


So did you also have basically no tolerance or very little tolerance to cannabis/THC when you ate that edible with the mescaline?

Because if so...then yea I can imagine that was a pretty intense and/or uncomfortable experience. For someone with no or little tolerance, 120mg of THC would be pretty damn heavy and intense just by itself lol, while on a psychedelic I can't imagine lol. I've always felt, for someone with no or little tolerance, that a dab of an extract or a strong edible while on a psychedelic would be an incredibly intense/deep trip. Because even with my tolerance cannabis can intensify things dramatically while on a psychedelic.

I've been smoking daily for over 10 years now...I have a pretty solid moderate tolerance to cannabis, and even for me I feel 100mg+ of THC is a pretty heavy/big dose lol.




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Re: Mescaline + cannabis edibles = bad idea [Re: openmind]
    #26504600 - 02/26/20 10:06 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Haha yeah that's pretty much how it was. I only take cannabis once a month so my tolerance can go down in between doses. I've been enjoying doing 60-80mg edibles for the past few months (albeit not mixing with psychedelics) so i got cocky with the 120mg :facepalm:

Taking the kratom might have been a mistake as well (adding to the over-stimulation). Kratom and mescaline might be a nice combo though, i don't know.

Next time I do mescaline I'm just going to hit the vape and skip the kratom. Should be a good time. I'm also keen to combine it with LSD and mushrooms at some point in the future - in moderation though! :rofldrunk:


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Re: Mescaline + cannabis edibles = bad idea [Re: TheEschatologist]
    #26504627 - 02/26/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I’m gonna combine shrooms with mesc later today, unless 2 cacti turns out being too strong. I can report back how it was :smile:


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Re: Mescaline + cannabis edibles = bad idea [Re: Korean Jesus] * 1
    #26504866 - 02/26/20 01:20 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Please do, am super curious. Safe travels man


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Re: Mescaline + cannabis edibles = bad idea [Re: TheEschatologist] * 1
    #26506629 - 02/27/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Wow! I don't know if these mushrooms are better or doing them on mescaline made them super nice, but holy shit I had one of the most blissful experiences ever!

Usually psilocybin makes me feel a little bit uncomfortable and out of place, but these were the nicest mushrooms ever! Just pure bliss.

Mescaline visuals are very natural and nice but lacking a little bit, IMO. 3g shrooms on top of the two cacti added crazy visuals, but I still had a clear-ish headspace, I think bc I tend to have a very clear headspace on mesc.

I tried dosing another 2g after a few hours but they didn't really work, hit very very soft.


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Re: Mescaline + cannabis edibles = bad idea [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26506753 - 02/27/20 03:48 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Why would somebody take a dose of 120 mg of THC?


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Re: Mescaline + cannabis edibles = bad idea [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26506907 - 02/27/20 05:30 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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igorcarajo said:
Why would somebody take a dose of 120 mg of THC?





I can think of a few reasons :strokebeard: .



To get high/stoned :yesnod:.

For sleep.

Because of seizures.

To help with nausea.

To help soothe the body mind when sick in some way.






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Wow! I don't know if these mushrooms are better or doing them on mescaline made them super nice, but holy shit I had one of the most blissful experiences ever!

Usually psilocybin makes me feel a little bit uncomfortable and out of place, but these were the nicest mushrooms ever! Just pure bliss.

Mescaline visuals are very natural and nice but lacking a little bit, IMO. 3g shrooms on top of the two cacti added crazy visuals, but I still had a clear-ish headspace, I think bc I tend to have a very clear headspace on mesc.

I tried dosing another 2g after a few hours but they didn't really work, hit very very soft.





Right on...Glad to hear you had a good one.

I've done the combo of cactus tea and mushrooms a few times.

One experience that stands out the most in my memory was with about 18 inches or so of cactus, and then about 2.5 to 3 hours later I drank about 1.5g of cyans in tea (equal to about 3g of typical cubensis)....Then more mushroom tea a couple hours later.

The first 3 to 4 hours after the initial dose of cactus tea I was pretty "loaded" and kinda heavy & slow feeling...but a little while after the mushrooms set in I was super energetic, loaded with energy (I was at a festival and dancing almost all night, so the setting I was in likely played a role in the energy I had to some extent)...I was ziiingin'. And pretty clear & coherent for how lifted I was. Real euphoric and warm.

And that night I had some of the most rich and pronounced closed eye visuals in all my years of working with psychedelics.

Great combo...I was considering doing it tonight, but I'll just be sticking with mushrooms. I had a trip on L last night and don't want to do another long lasting/stimulating psychedelic lol.





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Re: Mescaline + cannabis edibles = bad idea [Re: igorcarajo]
    #26508100 - 02/28/20 12:11 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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igorcarajo said:
Why would somebody take a dose of 120 mg of THC?




^ The folly of youth...

KJ and OM you guys have sold me on meschrooms. Cactus felt like a natural slow-release MDMA to me, so i can totally imagine that creating a solid foundation for going really deep into psychedelic bliss with the addition of mushrooms (without as much of the abstract weirdness that psilocybin sometimes brings).

Really excited for this in future. Pity mescaline is so hard to come by. Good thing i recently started my first cactus grow :biggrin:


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Re: Mescaline + cannabis edibles = bad idea [Re: TheEschatologist]
    #26508219 - 02/28/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I think the mescaline definitely adds a solid foundation upon which good feelings are brought about. But I think it also stops the mushrooms from teaching much, because tough love is the best way to fix things about yourself. My take is that I should take at least a little bit of mescaline when shrooming for fun, but every once in a while I should shroom alone for therapeutic purposes.

I'm curious to see what 5g+ of shrooms would be like while on 1.5-2 cacti.

I'm also going to dose acid with mesc the next time I trip on it, and see how that works out. I think most pyschedelics really complement each other! Def gonna try acid/mesc, shrooms/acid, and ultimately all three. Maybe eventually smoke DMT while on the other three! :stoned:

I'm curious about trips within trips within trips... each one leaving a new reality that has become the current reality into a new new reality.



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    #26527501 - 03/10/20 02:40 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Just thought to put a relevant report here rather than posting a separate trip thread.

Can confirm that taking mescaline and mushrooms together is indeed a top class combo :super:

It all comes down to getting the mushroom dosage right I think. I waited until I was done coming up from the mescaline (about 4 hours) before taking 1,3 grams of shrooms. It was quite odd - an hour later it felt like I hadn’t taken anything at all (no doubt because I was already tripping), so I dosed another 1.3 grams. Then after another 45 minutes it really started ramping up. But it wasn’t like the usual heavy panic-addled mushroom come up. Although it was intense, it was also somehow soft and welcoming. I was on a walk when this wave started breaking on me, so I hurried back and hit the shower and took in some light nutrition before the proper show started.

The synergy was incredible – I literally just laid on my bed gasping in awe repeating “thank you god, thank you” because it was so beautiful. It was like the mescaline and mushroom spirits were dancing in front of (but also through) me inviting me into… I don’t know. Words can’t describe it.

Then things got quiet and introspective, and the mushrooms issued their familiar challenges to my ego mind. I don’t think this was because the mushroom dose was too high, rather things probably got a bit darker than usual because I’d been going through some difficult shit over the last two weeks. It was like a spiritual wrestling match where even a millisecond lapse in attention could spell disaster. So I got on my cushion and started going through some familiar chants. In that utter vulnerability it felt as if I was communing with the true untainted “religious” aspect of collective human consciousness. Or something, you get the idea.

This subsided after an uncertain amount of time, and I gradually returned to earth. The mescaline was still very much in swing, so I got some food in me and danced to some tunes for a while. As the evening wore on it became time to chill, and I broke out the vape.

Given my previous post about cactus and cannabis, I feel I should emphasise this point: vaping some indica on the mescaline comedown was bloody spectacular! It turned into a very different kind of psychedelia, very warm and fuzzy. Combined with the right music, it was the cherry on the cake at the end of the day.

Also I should mention that exercise/stretching while on cannabis + mescaline is possibly one of the best feelings your body can have – and it’s even good for you haha. Highly, highly recommended.

I look forward to working with this combo many times again in future, experimenting with different doses and timings.

Just no more fat edible doses in there lol.

Thanks for reading, keep well all
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