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what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing?
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and if you were successful how would you remember?
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: thealienthatategod] 1
#26500512 - 02/23/20 08:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, technically times not passing because time doesn't exist to pass, it's just chemical reactions unfolding in an eternal "now" within an infinite space.
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: Nekai] 1
#26500958 - 02/24/20 05:55 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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If I were permanently in a deep dream state I would no longer believe in time passing, because it would stop reverse and jump at any rate of change without supporting cause and effect. Space would superimpose and solidity would evaporate.
in the face of that I would forget time and cease to believe.
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#26500966 - 02/24/20 06:09 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wish time would fly by a little faster.
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: thealienthatategod] 2
#26501324 - 02/24/20 11:23 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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thealienthatategod said: and if you were successful how would you remember?
It would take a lot. We hear the reports of those who have transcended time, but they always seem to come back into it. And then all they have, as you insinuate, is a memory of it. I guess it is alleged that some yogis in India or Tibet exist permanently outside of time, and Ram Dass talked about this with respect to his master, Neem Karoli Baba. But then, he said Baba was basically always in a trance state in which he never spoke or even gesticulated, so it would seem that timeless awareness for humans perhaps has its problems.
In the end I think time is a dimension that can be transcended, but as humans, we rely for everything on a memory whose constituent frames stack upon each other to give us the perception of time passing. So I suppose it's a question of whether we want to do our best in time, or live in a trance state. Perhaps if death isn't the end, we can be human now and have the best of both worlds later.
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: DividedQuantum] 2
#26501350 - 02/24/20 11:45 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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attributed to Einstein:
“When you sit with a nice girl for two hours you think it’s only a minute, but when you sit on a hot stove for a minute you think it’s two hours. That’s relativity.”
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: thealienthatategod] 1
#26501362 - 02/24/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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How I perceive time currently is we're all on a rock in space moving from point a to b. Whatever that even 'means'.
Physical time is set according to experienced events: the sun rising and setting.
Psychological time is the memory of places you've been or things you've seen or done at different locations, or even wishing for an event to pass, or come sooner/later.
From the moment of birth to death, you are in the same exact same place the whole 'time', you just moved around, consumed, grew, decomposed and then died.
Stepping out of 'time', is simply realizing, imo, that everything before you only moves if you move it. And you have a choice where to move, and when to move. Tomorrow is not something that happens to you, but just a schedule that you choose, or are made, to follow.
If you choose to do nothing, most things will just stay in place.
To me, this also brings in the concept of 'death' and if you really even 'experience' it. Perhaps since we are not able to even witness 'death' as it being a complete 'non-experience', we only experience - life, but here we'll have to step into something I obviously have no knowledge about, only speculation.
Personally, I think we're in some kind of infinite illusion. Not ready to test it yet though.
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: remake] 1
#26501418 - 02/24/20 12:13 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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"what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? "
the question assumes time is objective & stable.
Post Einstein we know time is not stable or separate from space. As light speed is approached time slows.
Secondly its not objective. Whenever we are happy, time is not a problem, and often it is ignored, or even totally forgotten. This is sometimes called the "flow state" or "being in the zone". Whenever we are resisting experiencing, we begin to suffer and time becomes part of the experience of suffering. The Einstein quote above while a joke about relativity, encompasses this truth.
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: laughingdog] 1
#26501441 - 02/24/20 12:24 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Then time is 'the tempo at which something is moving in space'?
Tempo, in this case being the perception of something coming and going from view or experience.
What if you willingly choose to not participate in movement, and just stay in the same place for a very long 'time'. Are we then just reacting to other people moving according to their own 'time'? Or physical events causing other physical events? Is everything predetermined? And we're being pulled unwillingly along these experiences.
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: remake] 2
#26501638 - 02/24/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Who knows an ultimate truth about time?
A drummer becomes one with time, thru joy - then it is not a problem. Not being a problem it requires no explanation. That is how simple metaphysical/psychological truth is.
Anything we resist is experienced as a problem, including time, and pain. Anything we "become one with" as well as easily 'let go of', is not experienced as a problem, including: time, emotions, including all the difficult emotions & all fears, thoughts, events, sensations, and those sensations called "pain". "become one with" = don't resist, attempt to avoid, dislike, don't push away from, contract against.
Pretty much what we are, is a collection of resistances or aversions, & 'on the other hand', a collection of graspings or clingingings to those things we like or want or hope to get.
This is why Thich Quang Duc did not suffer. Time was not a problem for him. He had let go of grasping & aversion.
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In this sense, we are "the center" (or creators of our own experiencing) of our world as per DQ's post: "Is each one of us, in some sense, the center of the universe?"
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: thealienthatategod] 1
#26501833 - 02/24/20 04:14 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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The passage of time is only an illusion. Every single moment is a point in spacetime and that's the fourth dimension so really, it would take nothing.
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#26503219 - 02/25/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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im guessing it would probably take a bowl of salvia extract to pull of something like that.
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: Pinkerton] 2
#26503523 - 02/25/20 04:32 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Pinkerton said:
I wish time would fly by a little faster. 
Except if you're enjoying ice-cream or sex . . .
Pleasure creates suffering because we dread the realization it's temporary.
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#26510347 - 02/29/20 08:14 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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No such concept called time, it is the process called decay...
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: Mr. D Green] 1
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from which POV?
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: redgreenvines]
#26511157 - 03/01/20 10:28 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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it seems everything is the same decaying organic matter...until it's not.
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: thealienthatategod] 1
#26514626 - 03/03/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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How much time do we get to think up more clever answers?
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#26515659 - 03/03/20 11:55 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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There are many people who have very little sense of time, they tend to be rather short, and are known for repeatedly asking: "Are we there yet?" Seemingly they have little sense of space or large distances either.
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: Nekai] 1
#26515664 - 03/04/20 12:00 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nekai said: Well, technically times not passing because time doesn't exist to pass, it's just chemical reactions unfolding in an eternal "now" within an infinite space.
You have fucked me right up man.
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: laughingdog]
#26515699 - 03/04/20 12:48 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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time is a narrative to keep engaged, but engaged only in perspective. when even the ground is fictitious, it's so easy to fall.
oh dear Alice, never fell down a rabbit hole outside of herself. Alice collapsed within her own abyss.
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: thealienthatategod]
#26516522 - 03/04/20 01:30 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Personally, I stopped believing time was passing when I realized I had the same experience as my mom's twin sister (by DNA, my mom.)
She saw her husband who was across the world standing in front of her for a few seconds, completely sober.
When I was about 8, I saw what I thought was my dog eating out of the food bowl in my room, until I realized my dog was across the room. I looked over quickly, then back to see that "ghost" gone. Thinking back to it later, it looked like the first dog I ever had.
The conclusion of time not existing comes from my aunt's belief on the subject. The way she explains it, it makes sense.
Of course, my mind is open to all possibilities & I don't take this as the full answer, or the correct answer for that fact. Literally, anything is possible.
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#26519380 - 03/05/20 07:07 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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"The conclusion of time not existing comes from my aunt's belief on the subject. The way she explains it, it makes sense."
Ok...and how is aging or simply stubbing your toe, or any cause & effect event explained?
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: laughingdog]
#26519384 - 03/05/20 07:09 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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You can attempt to explain anything, and the probability of it being true is still 1/10000, even science. Nobody really knows what the fuck is going on. Just guesses.
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#26519387 - 03/05/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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If I sit on the porch on a sunny day then my belief in time desists.
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#26520401 - 03/06/20 10:42 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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If i am tripping hard sometimes i will enter a state where it seems time does not exist anymore.
A bunch of weird stuff will happen like electronics malfunctioning and this feeling that i have to will reality to be normal, like really focus on stuff to make the next moment happen somewhat normally.
Ive had the strangest perceptions in this state, things like we are all just in some perpetual hypnosis and think things are 'normal' but in reality (the tripped out no time reality) we are just unaware cattle, hoarded for some higher life forms pleasure/food, playing in a fake reality they created and hold the keys too. Its a terrifying feeling which can happen if i dont have the perfect setting and am able to do something I KNOW will rehypnotize me... like watch an old movie or listen to some music i know exists. One of the scariest trips i had was when i got puddled at a festival (not the type of festival where you camp, just different artists playing from like noon till midnight throughout the weekend) everything actually started off great...then i hit a nitrous balloon and had an out of body experience, felt like i was floating really high above everyone and slowly floated back down. Things were still cool, but i began to notice something off about everything. So decided to walk around the festival grounds with my best friend at the time. We go through this huge waterfall thing that completely soaks me and when i emerge from the water on the other side, i got this weird sense..i could feel anxiety creep up when i was previously uninhibited, and i tried to ignore it but as i walked through the crowd, i began seeing literal zombies, they had a dull energy and seemed to be mindlessly walking , bumping into each other...some people had golden auras that the zombies bubbled around in the crowd as they walked, my friend and i had one of these and the crowd just seemed to bubble around us as well.. I felt a soul level fear creep up but, knowing i was on shit tons of acid, decided i was just tripping and sought some reassurance from my friend. "Dude are you seeing what i am seeing?" I said, hoping he would respond with some worldly answer like "ya hot girls everywhere!" Or "ya snoop dog up ahead!". Instead, he replies "oh you mean the zombies?" To which i reply "dude you see them too? I cant handle this i cant believe this is happening..." The fear nearly took over and i almost had a full blown panic attack. As the fear grew, my golden aura shrank, and some of the zombies(people)seemed to be bumping into me way more. I did some breathing exercises i learned to help stay calm, and the aura expanded. a As this was happening, as i wrestled with my consciousness to stay calm in the face of this unknown reality my friend says something a long the lines of, "well they dont seem to be trying to hurt us or anyone, but uh where are we even going?" It was like we were walking in some infinite loop with no destination, like a high-tech hamster wheel for unaware consciousness.
i kept wondering when we would get to our destination so i could get out of the zombie crowd and steer my trip to happier waters. Then he asks me this and all of a sudden i dont have any clue where we were going either and i began to notice it seemed like i kept passing the same trees and booths, and the music was so weird and seemed to transition endlessly and perfectly as we walked , unlike anything i remember hearing since. At this point, the fear began to win the fight for my consciousness. I somehow lost my friend and did not even realize it, it was like he disappeared and all i could see was zombies, bumping into each other, moaning. I saw armed guards surrounding the crowd on the other side of a fence. There was a slight opening (was one of those fences that you stand and connect together) where the fence wasnt connected, so i make my way from the crowd to the fence and slide through the opening. Immediately , event staff stops me, and tells me i need to return. This is where things get even weirder. In the sky i could see multiple HUGE saucer UFOs hovering overhead and all around. The dude that stops me has a constantly morphing face. I try to play it cool and say "na man its okay im just leaving, thats okay right?" "You cant leave this way. Go back to festival." The zombies are still churning. "Why cant i leave this way?" I can plainly see a road not even a block away, it just does not make sense to me why he will not let me go. We argue for a bit more. In my half panicked tripping state, i just couldnt understand why i could not simply walk away, who cares if it wasnt a "designated" exit. I am a human with rights god damn it!! I attempt to explain this further to the dude. "Im not going back in there. I am a human being. I can walk away if i want to..the other side of this fence is public property and i have a RIGHT to walk on it as i please!!" So the guy calls some actual police over. I could see that i had to play the rest of this interaction right or i could end up totally screwed. I had this dual perception where i understood i was tripping and that there were real consequences to my actions, yet also there was this hidden reality going on that i could plainly see and that i refused to partake in. The cop basically tells me to get back to the festival grounds or he would arrest me. I spout off something about being a human being with rights again...the cop grabs my hand and pulls out his cuffs. Time slows, not in a passing sense, literally everyone actually began moving in very slow motion. All of a sudden, I felt like i was in control of my immediate reality to a degree i hadnt thought possible. It was like multiple choice reality or something. This gave me huge confidence. I realized i needed to quit freaking out, find my friend, and just stay confident even amongst all the horror, otherwise i was doomed to go to jail (i thought literal hell).
The cop puts one of my hands in the cuffs and tries to turn me around and arrest me. With my newfound awareness, i stopped that reality dead in its tracks through sheer belief that i could. As he tries to pull my arms together, i said "No" And i turned back around slowly moving my arms back apart and faced him. "Im just going to sit down on this curb here, and wait for my friend. Okay?" I overhear some onlooker say "he thinks he superman" or some thing like that as i literally removed the cuff from my wrist and simply sat down on a street curb. I had no idea where my phone was, nor where my friend was but i felt so condident that i was going to make what i wanted to happen, happen. I felt like a magician. I wanted to call my friend and not knowing his phone number nor having a phone would stop me. Next thing i know, an ambulance arrives and paramedics come over. I have no idea what happened to the cop or the original event staff dude. i think because i wasnt actively trying to leave anymore nor was i ever loud or violent, they probably just realized i wasnt a major threat and called an ambulance over to make sure i wasnt overdosing on whatever drugs i took. In my tripped out state, it all seemed to happen at once. Event staff/cop/or paramedic, take your pick, is what it seemed like. I picked paramedic. "Listen man, idk what happened but i took a lot of acid and honestly i am freaking out. I cant go back in there alone. I need to find my friend, please help." I once again thought i "willed" this into reality , next thing i know, the paramedic hands me a phone and my friend was on the other line. As im explaining whats going on, him and his girlfriend popped up out of the crowd and rescued me. Also around this time, event staff realizes none of us have wristbands and escort us out of the concert (we did sneak in)..literally was like a 30 second walk from where i was. As we walked through the crowd, everyone returned to normal, and it seemed like the infinite treadmill i was on had dissolved into actual reality. The whole thing still doesnt make much sense but when i think about "time not existing" im always brought back to this trip... Similar things have happened other times but this one was so blatantly weird that i had to share.
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: hTx]
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Time is all we have and it doesn't fucking exist. Stay chubby
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: ChRnZN]
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ChRnZN said: If I sit on the porch on a sunny day then my belief in time desists.
Einstein says it becomes apparent sitting on a hot stove. I could buy that. Movement and change are happening. Any sense of coherency will produce a conception of then, now, and later. Memory, thought, even the senses of the body contributes. Time is like a recording.
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: Yellow Pants]
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some views of time's effects can be like a recording, especially if you stream events. (eg video record or audio record on a device).
our minds retain impressions of our experiences and the linkage between them is instant, but we can reconstruct a sense of time in memories by how memories in succession are different.
we have an ability to determine succession, but it is easily disrupted when the resonance of any moment of experience is extended.
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: redgreenvines]
#26523656 - 03/08/20 09:43 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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later or now, if someone were to kill time, then would they live forever?
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said: some views of time's effects can be like a recording, especially if you stream events. (eg video record or audio record on a device).
our minds retain impressions of our experiences and the linkage between them is instant, but we can reconstruct a sense of time in memories by how memories in succession are different.
we have an ability to determine succession, but it is easily disrupted when the resonance of any moment of experience is extended.
Resonance as in intensity ? Sitting on a stove top would bring the mind into the eternal now. Being chased by a bear on the verge of starvation should definitely disrupt the mental associations.
I do think regular, less savage experiences can also bring the present into view. Standard meditation, things of interest, and whatever else.
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: thealienthatategod]
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thealienthatategod said: later or now, if someone were to kill time, then would they live forever?
I think so, even when they die, it’s hard to argue that something as absolute (if that’s the right word) would be ruined simply because they dead. Is now a function of ourself or something we tap into ?
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