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thealienthatategod
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what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing?
#26500476 - 02/23/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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and if you were successful how would you remember?
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Nekai
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: thealienthatategod] 1
#26500512 - 02/23/20 08:38 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well, technically times not passing because time doesn't exist to pass, it's just chemical reactions unfolding in an eternal "now" within an infinite space.
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: Nekai] 1
#26500958 - 02/24/20 05:55 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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If I were permanently in a deep dream state I would no longer believe in time passing, because it would stop reverse and jump at any rate of change without supporting cause and effect. Space would superimpose and solidity would evaporate.
in the face of that I would forget time and cease to believe.
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#26500966 - 02/24/20 06:09 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I wish time would fly by a little faster.
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: thealienthatategod] 2
#26501324 - 02/24/20 11:23 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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thealienthatategod said: and if you were successful how would you remember?
It would take a lot. We hear the reports of those who have transcended time, but they always seem to come back into it. And then all they have, as you insinuate, is a memory of it. I guess it is alleged that some yogis in India or Tibet exist permanently outside of time, and Ram Dass talked about this with respect to his master, Neem Karoli Baba. But then, he said Baba was basically always in a trance state in which he never spoke or even gesticulated, so it would seem that timeless awareness for humans perhaps has its problems.
In the end I think time is a dimension that can be transcended, but as humans, we rely for everything on a memory whose constituent frames stack upon each other to give us the perception of time passing. So I suppose it's a question of whether we want to do our best in time, or live in a trance state. Perhaps if death isn't the end, we can be human now and have the best of both worlds later.
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: DividedQuantum] 2
#26501350 - 02/24/20 11:45 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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attributed to Einstein:
“When you sit with a nice girl for two hours you think it’s only a minute, but when you sit on a hot stove for a minute you think it’s two hours. That’s relativity.”
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: thealienthatategod] 1
#26501362 - 02/24/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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How I perceive time currently is we're all on a rock in space moving from point a to b. Whatever that even 'means'.
Physical time is set according to experienced events: the sun rising and setting.
Psychological time is the memory of places you've been or things you've seen or done at different locations, or even wishing for an event to pass, or come sooner/later.
From the moment of birth to death, you are in the same exact same place the whole 'time', you just moved around, consumed, grew, decomposed and then died.
Stepping out of 'time', is simply realizing, imo, that everything before you only moves if you move it. And you have a choice where to move, and when to move. Tomorrow is not something that happens to you, but just a schedule that you choose, or are made, to follow.
If you choose to do nothing, most things will just stay in place.
To me, this also brings in the concept of 'death' and if you really even 'experience' it. Perhaps since we are not able to even witness 'death' as it being a complete 'non-experience', we only experience - life, but here we'll have to step into something I obviously have no knowledge about, only speculation.
Personally, I think we're in some kind of infinite illusion. Not ready to test it yet though.
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: remake] 1
#26501418 - 02/24/20 12:13 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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"what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? "
the question assumes time is objective & stable.
Post Einstein we know time is not stable or separate from space. As light speed is approached time slows.
Secondly its not objective. Whenever we are happy, time is not a problem, and often it is ignored, or even totally forgotten. This is sometimes called the "flow state" or "being in the zone". Whenever we are resisting experiencing, we begin to suffer and time becomes part of the experience of suffering. The Einstein quote above while a joke about relativity, encompasses this truth.
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: laughingdog] 1
#26501441 - 02/24/20 12:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Then time is 'the tempo at which something is moving in space'?
Tempo, in this case being the perception of something coming and going from view or experience.
What if you willingly choose to not participate in movement, and just stay in the same place for a very long 'time'. Are we then just reacting to other people moving according to their own 'time'? Or physical events causing other physical events? Is everything predetermined? And we're being pulled unwillingly along these experiences.
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: remake] 2
#26501638 - 02/24/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Who knows an ultimate truth about time?
A drummer becomes one with time, thru joy - then it is not a problem. Not being a problem it requires no explanation. That is how simple metaphysical/psychological truth is.
Anything we resist is experienced as a problem, including time, and pain. Anything we "become one with" as well as easily 'let go of', is not experienced as a problem, including: time, emotions, including all the difficult emotions & all fears, thoughts, events, sensations, and those sensations called "pain". "become one with" = don't resist, attempt to avoid, dislike, don't push away from, contract against.
Pretty much what we are, is a collection of resistances or aversions, & 'on the other hand', a collection of graspings or clingingings to those things we like or want or hope to get.
This is why Thich Quang Duc did not suffer. Time was not a problem for him. He had let go of grasping & aversion.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Th%C3%ADch+Qu%E1%BA%A3ng+%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c%2C%2C+self+immolation&t=h_&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images&iai=http%3A%2F%2Fvirtual-saigon.net%2FAsset%2FPreview%2FdbImage_ID-28110_No-1.jpeg
In this sense, we are "the center" (or creators of our own experiencing) of our world as per DQ's post: "Is each one of us, in some sense, the center of the universe?"
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: thealienthatategod] 1
#26501833 - 02/24/20 04:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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The passage of time is only an illusion. Every single moment is a point in spacetime and that's the fourth dimension so really, it would take nothing.
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: thealienthatategod] 2
#26503219 - 02/25/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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im guessing it would probably take a bowl of salvia extract to pull of something like that.
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: Pinkerton] 2
#26503523 - 02/25/20 04:32 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pinkerton said:
I wish time would fly by a little faster. 
Except if you're enjoying ice-cream or sex . . .
Pleasure creates suffering because we dread the realization it's temporary.
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: RJ Tubs 202] 1
#26510347 - 02/29/20 08:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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No such concept called time, it is the process called decay...
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: Mr. D Green] 1
#26510817 - 03/01/20 05:46 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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from which POV?
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thealienthatategod
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: redgreenvines]
#26511157 - 03/01/20 10:28 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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it seems everything is the same decaying organic matter...until it's not.
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: thealienthatategod] 1
#26514626 - 03/03/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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How much time do we get to think up more clever answers?
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: laughingdog] 1
#26515659 - 03/03/20 11:55 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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There are many people who have very little sense of time, they tend to be rather short, and are known for repeatedly asking: "Are we there yet?" Seemingly they have little sense of space or large distances either.
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: Nekai] 1
#26515664 - 03/04/20 12:00 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nekai said: Well, technically times not passing because time doesn't exist to pass, it's just chemical reactions unfolding in an eternal "now" within an infinite space.
You have fucked me right up man.
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Re: what would it take to rid you of the belief that time is passing? [Re: laughingdog]
#26515699 - 03/04/20 12:48 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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time is a narrative to keep engaged, but engaged only in perspective. when even the ground is fictitious, it's so easy to fall.
oh dear Alice, never fell down a rabbit hole outside of herself. Alice collapsed within her own abyss.
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