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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26497492 - 02/21/20 06:44 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

ha, even the master needs a little nudge in a new direction. :wink:

Ive used two of the Dim Sum Steamers on top each other. So if you wanna get two for stacking them, you can add more water to your pot for larger/longer jar steaming batches.

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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26497506 - 02/21/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

That's a really good idea, Logical Chaos. The author of the vid had suggested the water needs to boil for 90 minutes, and that more water could be added in if it starts to boil off while simmering. Problem is that once you add cold or room temp water to water that is being evaporated off, you would then have to figure out how long it took the extra water to start boiling again, and calculate how much time to add to the original 90 minutes from when it starts boiling.

Your way would allow more water to be put into the bottom of the stock pot, giving a much better margin of error with less possibility the water would evaporate off during the 90 minutes.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26497509 - 02/21/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Exactly. However, in my experience, 60mins does the job. But more time steaming is never a bad thing.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26497511 - 02/21/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Exactly. However, in my experience, 60mins does the job. But more time steaming is never a bad thing.




The author had addressed 60 versus 90 minutes in the first video. He does say that 60 should be fine, but recommends the extra half hour. Given my inexperience, I think I will go with the more careful 90 minutes. I can always cut corners later when I get better at this as my skillset evolves.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26497520 - 02/21/20 07:02 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Good plan :thumbup:


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    #26497570 - 02/21/20 07:26 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks!

Okay, so half of my ducks are in a row. Since you have already helped immeasurably, maybe some others can chime in so I can get started. I may as well purchase everything for the first few stages at once. So here goes:

1. What size Clear Storage Totes do I need for Inoculation?

2. What size Storage Tote for Fruiting Chamber ie. Terrarium?

3. For Tyvex Sleeves, will any old brand do? This One Is Very Inexpensive For 50 Pairs

4. For inoculating, does it matter if I use thin, clear food-prep gloves, Medical Clear Vinyl Gloves (both of which I have) or do I need to buy Latex?

5. Should I only start my first grow with the 5 Mason Jars the PF Tek video recommends, or am I better off just starting with 10? Not sure what kinds of yields I can expect from both choices my first time doing it.

6. Video #1 at 01:15 recommends 240 cc's of water. How exact do I have to be? Assuming 240 cc of water equals 240 mL, can I eyeball this with a regular measuring cup with liters and mL measurements? Or do I need a more exact flask for absolute precision, like the one he used in the video?

7. Regarding question 6, should I use distilled water or tap water?

8. Regarding ambient temperature after inoculation, for several weeks, he recommends 75 to 81 degrees for about 3 weeks. How do I keep it at that temperature? If not, he also says room temp is fine. So at room temp, would it still be 3 weeks? Or would I want to wait longer since its as much as 10 degrees lower than the temp he suggests?

9. Finally, and most important (and this one you may not be able to answer in the forum), what am I looking for in terms of syringes? Size? Species? Number of Syringes to start off with?


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    #26497952 - 02/22/20 03:57 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

1) SAB (Still air box) is needed for inoculating so that it minimizes contams. I use
https://www.amazon.com/Sterilite-105-Latch-Stadium-Blue/dp/B078WBVRBV/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?keywords=105qt+storage+containers&qid=1582368135&sprefix=105qt+ster&sr=8-1

This is a 4 pack, you only need one obviously

2) https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542
He mentions tub size at the end.
BUT I suggest going to bulk to skip making the damn thing and then you don’t need that tub.

3) You don’t need the sleeves. I’ve never used them. But yes, any will do as long as they are packaged and not dirty. If they cone sterilized even better but I have no clue since I find them unnecessary for PF TEK

4) Any gloves are fine so long as they can be wiped down with 70% ISO Alcohol before inoculating.

5) Don’t do 5. The more the better chance of getting some better genetics from the MS. If you’re using a 10 ml syringe, do 10 jars and inject 1ml of liquid per jar from the syringe.

6) I didnt watch the video but if it’s about the brf mixture it’s very simple. 2 cups of vermiculite mixed with 1 cup brf and 1 cup water. Scale up from there. I usually do 4 cups verm, 2 cups brf and 2 cups water but you can scale however you need so long as it’s 2:1:1.
(The order when adding them is you put your verm in a bowl, then your water. Mix it then add the brf to it, mix that and you have your mix!) All you need us something that measures a cup.

7) I use tap water no problem. Don’t use tap water if your municipality has serious issues with lead or other things but most towns are fine to use tap water.

8) I thought the common knowledge was 65-75 as anything higher helps contamination spread. Either way I keep my are around 70 and never had issues, even when going lower. Lower temps will just have slower growth.

9) One 10 ml syringe for 10 jars. Psilocybe Cubensis. Variety, whatever you choose. It’s MS so no variety is better than the other as it’s a mix of genetics.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26498076 - 02/22/20 07:27 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Awesome info, thanks, Socrates!

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1) SAB (Still air box) is needed for inoculating so that it minimizes contams. I use
https://www.amazon.com/Sterilite-105-Latch-Stadium-Blue/dp/B078WBVRBV/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?keywords=105qt+storage+containers&qid=1582368135&sprefix=105qt+ster&sr=8-1

This is a 4 pack, you only need one obviously




I am a little confused by a couple of things:

1. None of these boxes say SAB (Still Air in Box), what does that mean, and is it a specific attribute of boxes I need to find in the specifications page on these storage totes?

2. SpitballJedi's thread you linked to suggests a 64 quart Sterilite 1928 for the fruiting chamber. But since this is the Inoculation Chamber, for Stage I, are you suggesting the larger size is better? If, so, will one or both of these work?

106 Quart See Through Sterilite Box

116 Quart See Through Sterilite Box

Again, not sure if the links you posted from Amazon are somehow special or different, since I am not sure if SAB is some desired, but unlisted, attribute that may be absent from the boxes I was looking at last night at Home Depot. I will say that the advantages of the Home Depot models are that I can pick them up about 1/4 mile from my house in Brooklyn, as I checked and they are in stock in all the Home Depots near me. Also, the price, per unit of the ones I linked to are $12.98 and $14.98, respectively. Though, one has a black colored latch and the other blue. Not sure if this denotes some desirable characteristics or not.

I will buy the ones you linked to on Amazon, if you say I need them, but being a n00b at this, I can't discern any differences other than price and retailer.

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2) He mentions tub size at the end. BUT I suggest going to bulk to skip making the damn thing and then you don’t need that tub.




I'm sorry, I'm not sure what this means. Who or what is this "Bulk" that I am going to, and what exactly am I buying?

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3) You don’t need the sleeves. I’ve never used them. But yes, any will do as long as they are packaged and not dirty. If they cone sterilized even better but I have no clue since I find them unnecessary for PF TEK




Fair enough. At around $10.00 USD for 50 pairs, they are inexpensive enough that I might as well follow the video instructions of this RogerRabbit fellow and get them anyway.


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Socrateshroom said:4) Any gloves are fine so long as they can be wiped down with 70% ISO Alcohol before inoculating.




Great to know, thanks! :smile:

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Socrateshroom said:5) Don’t do 5. The more the better chance of getting some better genetics from the MS. If you’re using a 10 ml syringe, do 10 jars and inject 1ml of liquid per jar from the syringe.




Makes sense. The set of jars I am ordering is 12 x 2. Should I just go ahead and inoculate all 12? Or should I stick to the 10?

Edit: Oh wait, maybe I should stick to the 10 since 10 ml is easy to divide evenly between 10 jars, right?

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Socrateshroom said:6) I didnt watch the video but if it’s about the brf mixture it’s very simple. 2 cups of vermiculite mixed with 1 cup brf and 1 cup water. Scale up from there. I usually do 4 cups verm, 2 cups brf and 2 cups water but you can scale however you need so long as it’s 2:1:1.
(The order when adding them is you put your verm in a bowl, then your water. Mix it then add the brf to it, mix that and you have your mix!) All you need us something that measures a cup.




Great! So the main point here, I think, is whether I follow your specifications for the 2:1:1 ratios or the ones on the video, I don't need to be so fastidious that I have to measure the water to the exact cc's mentioned in the video. I figured this was the case, but I just wanted to make sure.

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7) I use tap water no problem. Don’t use tap water if your municipality has serious issues with lead or other things but most towns are fine to use tap water.




I live in NY City. We have soft water, though if it makes any difference, our water is chlorinated. I will assume, unless told otherwise, that this shouldn't be a problem?

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Socrateshroom said:8) I thought the common knowledge was 65-75 as anything higher helps contamination spread. Either way I keep my are around 70 and never had issues, even when going lower. Lower temps will just have slower growth.




RogerRabbit does say in that video that standard room temp should be fine, but FYI he recommends 74 to 81 degrees because he claims it facilitates faster growth. I have no way of knowing if he is right or you are, to be honest. I'm perfectly fine sticking to room temp, as that would certainly make things easier. Other than an external heat supply or using a warmer room, say putting the box a few feet away from the heating vent in my home, I have no idea how to keep the temp between 75 and 81. Certainly "Around 70," with +/- of 5 degrees you recommend certainly makes my life a helluva lot simpler!

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Socrateshroom said:9) One 10 ml syringe for 10 jars. Psilocybe Cubensis. Variety, whatever you choose. It’s MS so no variety is better than the other as it’s a mix of genetics.





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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 2
    #26498163 - 02/22/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

1) Still air box is just the name given to the function. There is nothing special about the ones I linked, it is just the one I bought in a store because it was the biggest one they had.

Any large clear plastic container of that nature will do. Big enough for armholes and to do inoculating work in. The only thing this will be used for in the PF TEK is to stick your syringe in your jars and inoculate.

2) So for bulk, instead of putting your finished cakes in a fruiting chamber and letting them produce fruit, you use a cheese grater to grate your cakes, put them in a container, mix it with prepared coir and let them be.

This is the brf to bulk thread and explains it very simply
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24945782

3) If you want to use sleeves, go for it but make sure they are sterile or wash them down with ISO.

4) The PF TEK recommends 2:1:1. Those ratios work and it is all you need. Don't be sloppy because moisture content is important but, if you follow that ratio, you'll be golden.

5) Just keep it room temperature. Don't go below 60. Generally don't go above 80. RogerRabbit is right, higher temperature facilitates faster growth but also increases chances of contamination taking hold. 65-75 is fine. (And RogerRabbit is one of the most knowledgeable trusted cultivators here in case you weren't aware).

6) In terms of water, that shouldn't be a problem. I use filtered tap water.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26498632 - 02/22/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Again, thanks, Socrates! Well, okay, it looks like I'm ready then!

I am going to start ordering early this coming week. Hopefully I'll have everything by early March, depending on delivery times. Another question: How much Perlite do I need? And it looks like there are different grades of it, depending on how finely its chopped up? Is there a specific grade I need to get started?

It looks a little expensive, unless anyone here has a better source? There is a 120 Quart 20 Pound Bag on Amazon, but if anyone knows a less expensive source, I'm all ears. Otherwise, I'll just go ahead and get that. Assuming I need...lol 120 quarts of the stuff.


I also just realized that there's a decent chance I may have access to some or a lot of this stuff wholesale. Not sure why the hell I didn't realize it before, but I have a close family member who is in the business of living plants and such. The only downside is I would have to tell them WHY I need them to order me this stuff at a big discount, but that may not be a dealbreaker either. lol

Anyway, I think for my first time, I am going to adhere 100% to the Pf Tek videos, and make the SGFC. Seems a lot more likely to keep me tunnel-visioned enough for my very first time. I don't want to reinvent the wheel here. I can always try the bulk on a subsequent grow. It sounds like your way of eliminating the SGFC would be a much easier way to not only save space, but to hide my little hobby adventure from guests, and prying eyes that may make their way down to my basement. :smile:


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26498666 - 02/22/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Oh, and sorry, before I start ordering stuff. To dot my i's and cross my t's, I am all right with these?

Inoculation Chamber (For 2 Two Arm-holes)

SGFC - 64 Quart

Although, since I am considering the possibility that some of my first time crops will crash and burn, I think it would be best (as you suggested in PM) if I go with inoculating 20 jars instead of 5 or 10. Gives me more of a margin of error for mistakes I will likely make.

Would a 116 Quart Sterilite Box or the 106 Quart Box be better than the 64 Quart model? Or is the 64 quart SGFC sufficient for 20  half pint jars?


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    #26498868 - 02/22/20 06:18 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

For what it's worth I'd recommend that you start by inoculating less jars rather than more. You can always do another run the next day and that will give you time to think about the techniques you learned and improve upon them. It also helps to repeat the process of setting everything up and organizing yourself and you'll get more comfortable when you remember and repeat the different steps. At least that's what I've found.

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    #26499071 - 02/22/20 08:52 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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For what it's worth I'd recommend that you start by inoculating less jars rather than more. You can always do another run the next day and that will give you time to think about the techniques you learned and improve upon them. It also helps to repeat the process of setting everything up and organizing yourself and you'll get more comfortable when you remember and repeat the different steps. At least that's what I've found.

Good luck with it.




Socrateshroom has been giving me some great advice in this forum and in PM, and he was suggesting the 20 jar inoculation. However, I have space concerns, wanting to get and keep the SGFC out of view when I have guests. Then there's lighting, which RogerRabbit's videos mention. It may be more feasible from a logistical standpoint to start with only 10 jars/cakes. I was watching the video again, video #3, where he makes the terrarium and puts the cakes in.

It looks like the size box he uses only accommodates 12 cakes. Assuming this is correct, I would think that 1cc per cake, 10 cc's per hypodermic, would make it much easier if I started out with just 10 jars/cakes.

Also, this brings up two more questions. I was going to save these for later, when I had already gotten started, but I may as well post them now:

1. I live in a small apartment right now. Which is fine, but I will be moving into a larger house with a basement once I rent out the top floor apartment I am now occupying in my Mom's house. She passed recently, so I will be moving downstairs to take over the main floor and basement. This may be several months away. This is all by way of saying that, for now at least, I am space challenged. Plus wanting to keep the SGFC away from prying eyes, I have a big closet picked out in my bedroom. When I move downstairs, and have the whole two floors, this won't be a concern, but for now, it is. So into the closet with my grow stuff until late spring or early summer! While up here, I may have trouble squeezing two SGFCs into he one closet, but I would have to measure the boxes. Of course, then I would need enough light for them  AND 2 Hygrometers, I assume, instead of 1.

My question, then, is regarding the need for a light in the closet once I set up the SGFC in there. The videos recommend florescent, because of he Kelvin temp and the more blues than reds in the colors. I guess I can get an incandescent fixture, with a florescent bulb. Luckily in the closet I picked out, there is an A/C outlet with two plugs.

Will closet growing/fruiting be all right for a few months with the proper lighting?

2. Also, what about a Hygrometer/thermometer? RogerRabbit recommends an analog unit that should be calibrated by wrapping a damp cloth around it, etc.. Can anyone reccommend a cost effective unit? If I have to bite the bullet and buy a costly one, so be it.

I am a ways off of this step anyway. Assuming I acquire all my supplies this week, including spores/syringe, lets say that I start going early March, say next Sunday or Monday. I think it will be at least three or four weeks from the start until I am even ready for the SGFC.


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    #26499233 - 02/22/20 11:04 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Some folks get non see through tubs, and mount the light inside.

#1 doesn't actually have a question in it. You're going to know where you  have space more than us. Not to be insensitive, I don't see why you can't put it downstairs now. I say just put it wherever it will be if you can. If you can't, put it where it fits. If it's that big of an issue, maybe wait until you're moved down.

#2 you can get by with one, the tubs are going to be subject to the same conditions so you can reasonably assume they will be very similar conditions inside. I got one from a big box hardware store for 3.50$. You can always swap it between multiple tubs if you have to know what the other is.


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    #26499581 - 02/23/20 08:47 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Some folks get non see through tubs, and mount the light inside.




If I do go with two tubs, then I would need two light fixtures this way. It may be feasible as I get more sophisticated and have some experience. But for my first time, rather than getting too elaborate, I would like to stick to one light source, whether I go with one or two SGFCs.

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#1 doesn't actually have a question in it.




Yeah, there was, but my bad, I buried it in the later part of that section, where I should have led with the question. lol


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You're going to know where you  have space more than us. Not to be insensitive, I don't see why you can't put it downstairs now. I say just put it wherever it will be if you can. If you can't, put it where it fits. If it's that big of an issue, maybe wait until you're moved down.




The problem is that downstairs, there is some minor work being done to prepare the place for my move into the ground floor. There are also way too many times where there are not only people down, but they are often unsupervised. In all honesty, given the sensitive nature and legal status of what I am growing, right now, using the basement is a non starter. This won't stop me from growing up here, though. Worst case scenario, I grow from 10 jars instead of 20 to start off with. Although, I think I may have a clever little plan to grow in the closet and may even be able to fit two fruiting chambers in there. I am going to take some pics of the inside of the closet and I'll post them in this thread. Maybe some kind folks here can tell me if, given the logistics, it would be all right to go with the one light source for two fruiting chambers set up the way I am envisioning it.

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#2 you can get by with one, the tubs are going to be subject to the same conditions so you can reasonably assume they will be very similar conditions inside. I got one from a big box hardware store for 3.50$. You can always swap it between multiple tubs if you have to know what the other is.




In all honesty, given your price, I will just buy two. Because at $3.50ish USD each, two are still cheaper than the ones I was looking at on Amazon. By a lot. So your two Hygrometer/Thermometers actually saves me money over one of the model I was checking out


Question (lol I won't bury it this time :smile:):

The tops/lids of these cases seem to all be opaque and colored. It just occurred to me, reading your answer, would this even allow enough light to get in through the sides? If not, I am thinking maybe I will try to find cases with see through lids? Or would the light coming in through the sides be enough?

Thanks again, everyone!


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    #26499730 - 02/23/20 10:43 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I have found Amazon to be very over priced on tubs for whatever reason. I suggest going in to Target as they are very cheap there, plus that way you can make sure youre getting nice and clear tubs expecially for your SAB. Hard to see what your doing in some tubs if the are kinda hazy.

I'll let more experienced people handle the other stuff but I also recommend doing more jars then you think you need and maybe doing them in groups of 5 each day. Like another poster said it gives you a chance to improve your process and gives you a better chance of success. First time working in a SAB isnt always the prettiest lol


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26499836 - 02/23/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

As long as the plastic is white, opaque plastic is fine for lighting, both Artifical and natural. This applies to the Fruiting Chamber only.

My SGFC only has an opaque white lid on top with black sides, and my 24watt 6500K bulb still works great.

For a SAB, you want crystal clear plastic since you have to look thru the plastic to see what you are doing inside the SAB.


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    #26500362 - 02/23/20 06:46 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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As long as the plastic is white, opaque plastic is fine for lighting, both Artifical and natural. This applies to the Fruiting Chamber only.

My SGFC only has an opaque white lid on top with black sides, and my 24watt 6500K bulb still works great.

For a SAB, you want crystal clear plastic since you have to look thru the plastic to see what you are doing inside the SAB.




At my current state of early novice, I wouldn't presume to make an argument or even assert a position on this. But I will say that what you posted is hard for me to swallow. For the fruiting chamber, how could white or other opaque colors allow enough light to come through to facilitate and maximize growth and thriving? I'm not getting this, because opacity, by its very nature, blocks light, no? Unless you are saying that all those little holes are all that's needed for enough light to get through? Or perhaps what's happening is light is still managing to get through the opaque plastic? I'm definitely missing something here, because you know way more about this than I do.

As for the SAB, and wanting clarity to see what you're doing, I totally get that.


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    #26502559 - 02/25/20 04:12 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Okay, so it looks like I am going to be ordering my supplies this week. But there are still some lingering questions after I have read up on this, watched the videos, and planned out my space.

1. At some point in video 2, at about 04:10, there is no longer any micropore tape over the lid covering the holes when he shows the jars. When do I remove that tape in this process?

2. Do I put it back at some point? Because of the angle of the camera, I can't tell if he puts the tape back on when he puts them on the shelves for the colonizing phase.

3. There is a lot of talk about not only the humidity in the chambers, but in your home. How can I tell if the humidity in my home is high enough? Edit: Actually this one I may have answered on my own just now. I forgot I have one of those old LaCross Weather Station clocks in my bedroom, which is where the big closet I intend to grow in is located. It reads my indoor humidity as 31%, and I believe I need 30%.

4. For the SGFB are there size limitations? The typical size seems to be 64 Qt, but what about a different size? Say 70 Qt?

5. Moreover, if I want to inoculate more jars, can I use a 116 quart Sterilite box rather than the typical 64 Quart box? I think that a 116 Quart box would accommodate 20 inoculated jars.

6. Is there a difference between a SGFC and a Terrarium? I found this a little confusing in the videos. I just noticed that in video #3, it looks like he is using two different sizes. Near the end, he uses a smaller box with an opaque lid that fits only 12 cakes, but the SGFC seems to be much larger and he had about 18 cakes in it


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    #26502714 - 02/25/20 07:49 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

So I'll start off with saying sorry for not directly answering your questions, I've just read the entirety of the thread and am rather winded, but will likely answer some of them in the following.

I literally started researching and starting everything this year, so I'm a n00b as well just with a month headstart. I would say the easiest (for me anyway) way to simplify things is to get familiar with the grow cycle or process. As in think in terms of the ecology and environment they naturally reside in, because the only thing you do is attempt to replicate it. So there is no one way, just budget, preference, and circumstance.

I'll try to lay out start to finish, most people recommend agar to begin as it lets you see any contamination early. You can buy premade plates (petri dishes) or make your own (see agar portal, in site). Several things at this point, I won't drag Bunsen burners through the mud but they are more for heavy usage if you would be doing this A LOT, I have been using a pocket Bic lighter (little bit of extra effort but you need special alcohol for an alcohol lamp so that's another dent on top of the lamp itself).

You can also make self healing jars, they consist of high temp silicone gasket sealant and a filter of some kind, hopefully someone will step up with tyvek as I am not well versed in if it can be reused or pressure cooked, I dished out (expensive) and bought synthetic filter discs which are cookable and reusable. In a nutshell you dab the silicone on both sides of a hole in the lid, and glue your choice of filter over another hole, you can use the same silicone to glue it in place around the edge of the filter. After that you follow procedure for prepping then pressure cooking (PC) your grain, foil wrapped around the tops so extra water doesn't accumulate. After they are done and cooled place them into your still air box (SAB).

Go crazy with your SAB. It just needs to be visible, large enough to maneuver in, and the arm holes can be eyeballed so long as they aren't huge, just enough to twist and bend any way needed during work. Sanitize the SAB before placing jars in there.

From there if you have multispore syringe(s) (MS syringe) and want to directly inoculate your jars, flame sterilize your needle until red hot (soot is fine it's sterile) and poke through the silicone. It doesn't matter greatly but depending on your angle and hole location some will say against the glass is better, some say middle for faster colonization, hopefully a senior will step up to clarify. Direct grain inoc is frowned upon unless you have sterile prepped syringes (vendor quality) and your own fairly sterile environment, but isn't out of the race.

From there, you let them sit until the proper amount is colonized to shake and redistribute the mycelium (white fuzzy growth) usually at 20% give or take, hit the jar against something kinda soft like carpet stairs bike tire, your hand, etc. Most mushrooms are subtropical so they grow faster in the warmer end of the spectrum, but there are cold days, so staying within the range is the only requisite.

After they finish colonizing and are fully white, it's time to crack those babies open and smell the music, literally, you want to smell the jars for any potential contamination that wanted to be sneaky and not show externally, bad jars will smell foul or sickly sweet and should be tossed immediately. I will rely on my peers for how it should smell but I would say a forest right after rain, very fresh clean and wholesome. Some slightly sweet undertones can be normal but if it's very fruity that is likely a contaminant, personally mine smelled slightly of fruit loops cereal if you were distanced from it, and seems clean and fine. After confirming they are clean, you dunk them. You can fill the jars or consolidate them into a bucket or sink or whatever clean container full of water. I filled the container it was in as I feel that's most sanitary, however once colonized they are more resistant to contamination because competition sets foot in the grain, so once it is colonized, you're in the clear mostly.

It likely depends on your spawn material, I used rye berries and dunked for 10-20 minutes (brf cakes longer I think?). After that you either shred or break up your spawn into bulk. You can use a compost mix with manure, or coco coir, people have argued and ultimately it's similar yields but manure based will usually be slightly higher yielding. You can do a 1:4 ratio of spawn:substrate(bulk) but the only difference is in how long the substrate will colonize so 1:2 is faster but it's your own discretion.

This is precursor to ^ paragraph but oh well. FRUITING CHAMBER, as I've seen, there are two main types, the shotgun (named for the buckshot-like holes) fruiting chamber, and the monotub. I did not look into the SGFC too deeply as the monotub seemed simpler and less work, dunno about contam or yield as far as the difference goes, but I felt the monotub was better personally. It can be any size or shape, but is recommended to have enough vertical height for any taller shrooms plus substrate depth.

To make a mono tub, what I've seen is to drill 2 holes on either side of the wide ends toward the bottom (just above substrate, at mushroom lvl) and one hole towards the top on both sides of the narrow ends, I did 1.5 inch holes but I think the size is proportion to the tub. The holes get stuffed with polyfill (synthetic pillow stuffing), loose at the top, tight at the bottom... gotta love those tight bottoms LOL, but that helps to regulate the evaporation because the idea is to balance humidity with air exchange (FAE=frequent air exchange).

Between grain colonization and fruiting, is pinning. Pinning is after you mix your spawn and substrate, while the spawn colonizes the substrate before fruiting. For pinning you would tape the holes closed to keep humidity in, and let the mycelium establish in the substrate. The lid of the tub should provide enough gas exchange to function for that stage. It remains at the same temperature as it has been.

After it looks mostly (80~90%+) colonized, with hyphal knots (root looking growth) covering the surface, you remove the tape and stuff the holes with polyfill as previously described. There are several factors that initiate fruiting, the biggest being air exchange, next being temperature drop as well as full colonization and other minor details. If too humid increase ambient air with a fan or crack the lid slightly, too dry, mist with water. I've seen a good rule of thumb is condensation on the walls, if it is beading up but not overly so it's about good. Your hygrometer location will change the reading so take it with a grain of salt depending on if it is near a hole or the opposite.

From there you maintain it until fruits begin, I won't go into flushes because that is endgame, and I still need to do my homework, but you can have multiple harvests or 'flushes' after cutting down the fruits of your labor.

Some general points, light is not a huge deal, the blue spectrum helps the structure of hyphal knots, and light in general makes the mushrooms more thicc. I'm freestyling a bit here, but I believe it tells them they don't need to grow as tall for spore depositing. They will grow in total darkness, but I believe when they experience more light, it means they experience less obstruction so they don't need to compete with say grass or shrubs for sporulation. If you can see them or your hands that's enough light, the cool blue spectrum as oppose to warm is 5000k-6500k and you can find CFL bulbs matching the color temperature.

Another point is that you want vermiculite mixed into your substrate, however you do not want to make a solid casing layer of verm, that would be for a different species of mushroom.

You could probably use the larger SAB, I'm not entirely certain of the physics so I'll use my phone call life line, see what survey says.

For your tub whether you make a SGFC or monotub, you can upsize it will just slightly change your variables, like if it is wider you may have shallower substrate, which means more frequent humidity upkeep.

So as far as humidity, RH relative humidity is the humidity relative to temperature, or how much water the air can hold at a given temperature. So 70° may read 30% RH, whereas 60° might read 50% because of warm air being able to hold more water vapor. You can think of it in the same mechanics as fog.

To tie it up, spores get dropped, they land on grass, grass gets eaten by grazing animal. They go through the digestive tract until being passed and either during or after the process, germinate. It begins colonizing, conquers it's turd, and grows mushrooms. Which then make more spores and the cycle continues. Telling you this to get an idea of their process so you can incorporate it.

Good luck bro! try to KISS (keep it stupid simple)


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