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“La Dieta” & Source Monitoring
    #25660582 - 12/05/18 10:04 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

They say if you're training to be an ayahuasquero or curandero you can't have sex because the spirits you'd contact hate the smell of period blood+sperm/semen and just humans in general, so as part of la dieta they have to abstain in order to get to know the plants more.

Does anyone know from, or have, experience with this or is it bullshit? Also, if you aren't even really training to be one or doing la dieta do effects still hold? Coincidentally, in the past whenever I tried to get laid nothing would work so there could be some science or more complex reasoning behind it. I'm more of a scholar/journalist than anything else, although my Mexican ancestry could give me some connection to it. I'm not really trying to be a shaman or sorcerer, but was just researching the psychedelic experience - shamanism or curing can be a dangerous occupation because other people can get mad or be brujas and shoot darts at you. That's another reason why they diet, because they can get mad who you'd have sex with if you're married, or try to kill you for your wife. Plus, it's like a business or competition from a perspective, they'd lose business, or customers, so they eliminate other shamans or curanderos to make more money or reputation.


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It turns out, people just look at you, then base their whole life off it, whether that means just doing or believing the opposite in hopes it makes them smarter than you at last or “woke” because they can “see what’s missing”. Not everyone does that. “Live in the now”, “reality is a simulation designed by some entities to gather more data on human emotion”.

Of course if you were intelligent enough, you’d be able to see through it and solve the problem anyway the first time. So it’s a plot just to get “more”, or everyone is trying to get something for nothing.

Knowing that, should give you some insights into the nature of people. :thumbup:


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Re: “La Dieta” & Source Monitoring [Re: Blabble40]
    #25660782 - 12/06/18 01:44 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

id say its bullshit but who knows. different strokes for different folks. if none of us had sex we would die out. as you said the plants would tell you...


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Re: “La Dieta” & Source Monitoring [Re: fantastiColor] * 1
    #25661051 - 12/06/18 06:59 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Wow that's a mighty serious collection of what the fuck.

Socrates was not schizophrenic, he was a highly principled individual who talked in a figurative way about his own internal moral compass. He didn't flee his execution, because fleeing would have invalidated all his life's work and teachings on morality. The people who wrote that book had their heads up their asses for a moment.

As for the whole curandero stuff, in general, most magical practices have certain taboos and ascetic practices, as these help one focus inward. If you want to be a curandero, you clearly have to follow the teachings of that path, similarly as you cannot become pope without being Catholic.

But do you need to do that to drop Aya? Well, not any more than having to observe Lent and Celibacy to drink wine.


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Re: “La Dieta” & Source Monitoring [Re: PsyduckMonkey]
    #25661067 - 12/06/18 07:25 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

hola paisano... hay un libro interesante  se llama "the way of the shaman" el autor es michael harner, muchas cosas de lo q dice me parece tienen poco sentido para un occidental pero quien sabe..

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Re: “La Dieta” & Source Monitoring [Re: fantastiColor]
    #25826729 - 02/21/19 04:49 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

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id say its bullshit but who knows. different strokes for different folks. if none of us had sex we would die out. as you said the plants would tell you...




The point isn't so much to not have sex, shamans just recommend to abstain for people who are apprenticing. It doesn't coincide with anything else. The other part of this thread is, it could be a kind of synchronicity, because even if certain people were not particularly doing la dieta, there's some reason or evidence to believe it would still be harder for them to have sex, for any reason including love spells, potions, or just magic and/or ritual. Your diet may not coincide with anything, and it could always be possible to misinterpret what advice plants might give or things they say, or the wind, or any animal spirits. It's only delusional in a schizophrenic sense, which is the traditional way of looking at any shamanism. Really, most of it is sorcery with brujas than any healing or curing with curanderos or curenderas, or shamans. Taking any psychedelic affects the multiverse and artificial intelligence, even though that might not be the reason someone takes them or has them prepared.


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Re: “La Dieta” & Source Monitoring [Re: Blabble40]
    #25827354 - 02/21/19 10:01 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Wut?


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Re: “La Dieta” & Source Monitoring [Re: Smartattack]
    #25827434 - 02/21/19 10:30 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Sex is a huge part of the psychedellic experience for many
ESPECIALLY mescaline
I think they are just mixing their own things in with it
But I also don’t believe in spirits the same way
Like disliking a smell and stuff like that
They aren’t bigots
If people are comfortable with periods then advanced plant spirits couldn’t possibly care imo

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Re: “La Dieta” & Source Monitoring [Re: Tripsten]
    #25827833 - 02/21/19 01:43 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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Wow that's a mighty serious collection of what the fuck.

Socrates was not schizophrenic, he was a highly principled individual who talked in a figurative way about his own internal moral compass. He didn't flee his execution, because fleeing would have invalidated all his life's work and teachings on morality. The people who wrote that book had their heads up their asses for a moment.

As for the whole curandero stuff, in general, most magical practices have certain taboos and ascetic practices, as these help one focus inward. If you want to be a curandero, you clearly have to follow the teachings of that path, similarly as you cannot become pope without being Catholic.

But do you need to do that to drop Aya? Well, not any more than having to observe Lent and Celibacy to drink wine.


How psychedelic is too psychedelic? Does it have to be a mindfuck, so to speak?

They weren't really saying he was schizophrenic, instead it's more so the origins of consciousness in the breakdown of the bicameral mind idea, where people long ago, had a different understanding of that voice in your head, and called it god or God. Sometimes they would perform its will without question, as if they had no choice. They were in effect just trying to prevent any influence getting out that could have demonic consequences.

I wouldn't say it's just to help you see inward. You usually when you trip it accesses some memory in conjunction with where the visuals may come from, so you could think about family and stuff. There's an obvious karma like twist to it, so they're just saying avoid that to optimize time towards yourself during the tripping experience. Unless you are already married or involved with someone, it could act like couple's therapy similar to MDMA, or ayahuasca in some instances.

Everyone's path could be different, and the psychedelic spirits could yearn liberation for some people. There are variances and nuances to it, this would be done in a positive manner so no harm could come out from of it at all, although it's a well known factoid or suggestion that in amazonian shamanism brujas or sorcerers can get mad or jealous of you and shoot darts at you. Then again someone has to be romantically involved with another someone anyway to have that possibility to begin with, in the first place.


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Re: “La Dieta” & Source Monitoring [Re: Blabble40]
    #26498631 - 02/22/20 03:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

"Update":

Since comedy doesn't exist anymore, and chicks don't like sarcasm or irony because it makes "deep, intellectual conversation" more "confusing" or "difficult" to have, this thread and statements were meant to be, not so much jokes, but attempts at pointing out hypocrisy, something only achieved if the readers, or audience, comprehends it.

I didn't say I was "abstinent" or an "incel", in this thread, I said I haven't been laid in years because people are racist.

It has nothing to do with choosing to be abstinent for the plant spirits. That's the irony.

Since this still probably doesn't make sense to some people, I'll explain more once that's definitely apparent.


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Re: “La Dieta” & Source Monitoring (moved) [Re: Blabble40]
    #26498699 - 02/22/20 04:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

This thread was moved from The Psychedelic Experience.

Reason:
Better suited for the pub.

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Re: “La Dieta” & Source Monitoring (moved) [Re: Blabble40]
    #26498851 - 02/22/20 06:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

This thread was moved from The Town Dump.

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Re: “La Dieta” & Source Monitoring (moved) [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26500070 - 02/23/20 03:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Abstaining from sex is just a small part of shamanic training to learn how to work with different plants. Isolation in the jungle for extended periods and very restricted diet are also part of the practice. So since sex is something people want, and the whole discipline is purposely difficult, abstaining from sex, makes perfect sense, for that reason alone.

It makes sense on other levels too. IMO
There is a serious price to be paid, for many achievements requiring commitment.

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