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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: josbos]
    #26497522 - 02/21/20 07:02 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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yeah but iso also got alot of carcinogenic stuff in it




Like what? Water?


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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: Sir Pentinite]
    #26497540 - 02/21/20 07:12 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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josbos said:
yeah but iso also got alot of carcinogenic stuff in it




Like what? Water?





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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: josbos]
    #26498419 - 02/22/20 12:44 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Ok? :shrug:

Look, isopropanol/isopropyl alcohol is NOT a suspected carcinogen. Even poisonings are rarely fatal.


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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: Sir Pentinite]
    #26498420 - 02/22/20 12:46 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Ethanol is carcinogenic though, if you drink it.


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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26498450 - 02/22/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

True, but I'd argue that the cumulative lifetime exposure from vapor and incidental skin contact from using it as a surface sanitizer is going to be much lower than from drinking it.


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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: Sir Pentinite] * 1
    #26498465 - 02/22/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I think it's absolutely pointless to concern yourself about either product used as a surface cleaner.
Iso is significantly cheaper in the US retail market though.
Distilling your own is some shit people always talk about but so fucking ridiculous just to make a shitty sanitizer


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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: Sir Pentinite]
    #26498472 - 02/22/20 01:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

my friend bought a distil. because he want to do alcohol extracts with peganum harmala. he said that he read that for alcohol extracts he must use ethanol and not iso.  do you guys know if he could use iso for extraction of peganum harmala?  also he said that he did a alcohol extract with 18gr dry mckennaii cubes. but the did not trip from the extract. how can that be possible? also do you guys know if mckennaii are the strongest cubes?


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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26498537 - 02/22/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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bodhisatta said:
I think it's absolutely pointless to concern yourself about either product used as a surface cleaner.
Iso is significantly cheaper in the US retail market though.
Distilling your own is some shit people always talk about but so fucking ridiculous just to make a shitty sanitizer



I drink mine. Lol.
The heads though. The part that supposedly has methanol I save it and mix it in with iso.
Works so far.


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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: gizmo1]
    #26498591 - 02/22/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

To drink fine to use as sani i would want to hit over 195 proof and water it back like vodka. Pointless amount of work for what the drug store sells for a few bucks


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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26498610 - 02/22/20 02:55 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

lol..

you should also grow your own coconuts and make your own coconut coir. and mine your own vermiculite. and grow your own rye for spawn

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bod is spot on, as usual. just buy coir bricks for 2$, 70% iso for $1.70, etc... it is much easier, probably cheaper, and scales way better


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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26498635 - 02/22/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

my buddy bought a distil. because he want to do alcohol extracts with peganum harmala. he said that he read that for alcohol extracts he must use ethanol and not iso.  do you guys know if he could use iso for extraction of peganum harmala?  also he said that he did a alcohol extract with 18gr dry mckennaii cubes. but the did not trip from the extract. how can that be possible? also do you guys know if mckennaii are the strongest cubes?


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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: josbos]
    #26498683 - 02/22/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Why use iso for an extract you want to consume?


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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: josbos]
    #26498845 - 02/22/20 06:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

thats like saying "i met a black guy and he was terrible at basketball, wtf arent all black people supposed to be good at basketball"? lol... its a ridiculous generalization that does not take into account that there is more variation WITHIN a race than there is BETWEEN races

different varieties (races) of cubes are not more or less potent than each other. just like different races of humans arent inherently smarter or better at music than others.

with the possible exception of PE, variety isnt going to indicate potency. but even then you can find a batch of amazonians that is significantly more potent than a batch of PE

remember, when you are talking about a race of cubes, just like with a race of people, there is going to be tremendous variations between INDIVIDUALS (isolated strains) within that population

im a STRAIN/individual, you are a STRAIN/individual. our SPECIES is human. my RACE is caucasian. knowing my race tells you nothing about how good or bad i will be at a particular thing, how much i will weigh, how athletic i will be, etc... even if you can find general trends within the group as a whole. even within the same family, just because your brother is good at sports doesnt mean you will be

by the same logic, mckennaii and PESA and B+ and AA+ are all varieties/races, of the species cubensis. and my isolated AA+ monster culture is a STRAIN/individual. so just because my isolate grows 130+gram monsters every single time doesnt mean your AA+ will do the same.

also in multispore grows there is a huge amount of genetic diversity, so its not really valid to talk about the potency of a multispore grow as if it is a fixed thing, in the same way you can say a particular isolate is potent


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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26499966 - 02/23/20 01:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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c10h12n2o said:
thats like saying "i met a black guy and he was terrible at basketball, wtf arent all black people supposed to be good at basketball"? lol... its a ridiculous generalization that does not take into account that there is more variation WITHIN a race than there is BETWEEN races

different varieties (races) of cubes are not more or less potent than each other. just like different races of humans arent inherently smarter or better at music than others.

with the possible exception of PE, variety isnt going to indicate potency. but even then you can find a batch of amazonians that is significantly more potent than a batch of P

remember, when you are talking about a race of cubes, just like with a race of people, there is going to be tremendous variations between INDIVIDUALS (isolated strains) within that population

im a STRAIN/individual, you are a STRAIN/individual. our SPECIES is human. my RACE is caucasian. knowing my race tells you nothing about how good or bad i will be at a particular thing, how much i will weigh, how athletic i will be, etc... even if you can find general trends within the group as a whole. even within the same family, just because your brother is good at sports doesnt mean you will be

by the same logic, mckennaii and PESA and B+ and AA+ are all varieties/races, of the species cubensis. and my isolated AA+ monster culture is a STRAIN/individual. so just because my isolate grows 130+gram monsters every single time doesnt mean your AA+ will do the same.

also in multispore grows there is a huge amount of genetic diversity, so its not really valid to talk about the potency of a multispore grow as if it is a fixed thing, in the same way you can say a particular isolate is potent





well i just asked if that's the case i did NOT stated like it is absolute fact!


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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: josbos]
    #26500027 - 02/23/20 02:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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josbos said:
yeah but iso also got alot of carcinogenic stuff in it




ISO is NOT carcinogenic whatsoever. Not healthy to ingest. But it's not carcinogenic.

Rubbing Alcohol is otherwise a crap shoot. It can have ISO, ethanol, methanol, perhaps others, in any combination they fancy.

So I would not use Rubbing Alcohol. It MUST say "Isopropyl Alcohol" and only list water as any 2nd ingredient.

Denatured alcohol is Ethanol which is "Denatured - made not like nature (or usable like nature)". i.e. Ethanol intentionally made poisonous. Why? so Ethanol can be used industrially but not pay "alcohol taxes" Which denaturants? well by the term - nothing you'd want to deal with. But includes Methanol (most commonly), ISO, and other additives.

So Isopropyl is perfectly fine - if labeled exactly as such and the only dilutant is water. Otherwise also there'd be a lot of MJ wax and extraction voyagers out there dying off - ISO is very commonly used extractant and safe when fully evaporated.


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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: Legume]
    #26500030 - 02/23/20 02:40 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Legume said:
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josbos said:
yeah but iso also got alot of carcinogenic stuff in it




ISO is NOT carcinogenic whatsoever. Not healthy to ingest. But it's not carcinogenic.

Rubbing Alcohol is otherwise a crap shoot. It can have ISO, ethanol, methanol, perhaps others, in any combination they fancy.

So I would not use Rubbing Alcohol. It MUST say "Isopropyl Alcohol" and only list water as any 2nd ingredient.

Denatured alcohol is Ethanol which is "Denatured - made not like nature (or usable like nature)". i.e. Ethanol intentionally made poisonous. Why? so Ethanol can be used industrially but not pay "alcohol taxes" Which denaturants? well by the term - nothing you'd want to deal with. But includes Methanol (most commonly), ISO, and other additives.

So Isopropyl is perfectly fine - if labeled exactly as such and the only dilutant is water. Otherwise also there'd be a lot of MJ wax and extraction voyagers out there dying off - ISO is very commonly used extractant and safe when fully evaporated.




thanks for the information. but i will use the 70% ethanol from my buddy's distil


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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: josbos]
    #26500045 - 02/23/20 02:47 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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c10h12n2o said:
thats like saying "i met a black guy and he was terrible at basketball, wtf arent all black people supposed to be good at basketball"? lol... its a ridiculous generalization that does not take into account that there is more variation WITHIN a race than there is BETWEEN races

different varieties (races) of cubes are not more or less potent than each other. just like different races of humans arent inherently smarter or better at music than others.

with the possible exception of PE, variety isnt going to indicate potency. but even then you can find a batch of amazonians that is significantly more potent than a batch of P

remember, when you are talking about a race of cubes, just like with a race of people, there is going to be tremendous variations between INDIVIDUALS (isolated strains) within that population

im a STRAIN/individual, you are a STRAIN/individual. our SPECIES is human. my RACE is caucasian. knowing my race tells you nothing about how good or bad i will be at a particular thing, how much i will weigh, how athletic i will be, etc... even if you can find general trends within the group as a whole. even within the same family, just because your brother is good at sports doesnt mean you will be

by the same logic, mckennaii and PESA and B+ and AA+ are all varieties/races, of the species cubensis. and my isolated AA+ monster culture is a STRAIN/individual. so just because my isolate grows 130+gram monsters every single time doesnt mean your AA+ will do the same.

also in multispore grows there is a huge amount of genetic diversity, so its not really valid to talk about the potency of a multispore grow as if it is a fixed thing, in the same way you can say a particular isolate is potent





well i just asked if that's the case i did NOT stated like it is absolute fact!




You asked and I answered. Do you understand now?

It's not like I called you stupid or anything, almost every new user asks that same question, so I explained for your benefit and for theirs. Dont make it personal because it isnt


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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26500061 - 02/23/20 02:55 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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c10h12n2o said:
Quote:

josbos said:
Quote:

c10h12n2o said:
thats like saying "i met a black guy and he was terrible at basketball, wtf arent all black people supposed to be good at basketball"? lol... its a ridiculous generalization that does not take into account that there is more variation WITHIN a race than there is BETWEEN races

different varieties (races) of cubes are not more or less potent than each other. just like different races of humans arent inherently smarter or better at music than others.

with the possible exception of PE, variety isnt going to indicate potency. but even then you can find a batch of amazonians that is significantly more potent than a batch of P

remember, when you are talking about a race of cubes, just like with a race of people, there is going to be tremendous variations between INDIVIDUALS (isolated strains) within that population

im a STRAIN/individual, you are a STRAIN/individual. our SPECIES is human. my RACE is caucasian. knowing my race tells you nothing about how good or bad i will be at a particular thing, how much i will weigh, how athletic i will be, etc... even if you can find general trends within the group as a whole. even within the same family, just because your brother is good at sports doesnt mean you will be

by the same logic, mckennaii and PESA and B+ and AA+ are all varieties/races, of the species cubensis. and my isolated AA+ monster culture is a STRAIN/individual. so just because my isolate grows 130+gram monsters every single time doesnt mean your AA+ will do the same.

also in multispore grows there is a huge amount of genetic diversity, so its not really valid to talk about the potency of a multispore grow as if it is a fixed thing, in the same way you can say a particular isolate is potent





well i just asked if that's the case i did NOT stated like it is absolute fact!




You asked and I answered. Do you understand now?

It's not like I called you stupid or anything, almost every new user asks that same question, so I explained for your benefit and for theirs. Dont make it personal because it isnt




sure dude but if you use words with all capital letters. it looks like you shouting. so it is a normal response for a person to feel attacked
something to take note of for next time.


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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: josbos]
    #26500090 - 02/23/20 03:15 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I used keywords in capital letters because they are crucial to understanding the concept I was explaining, and I'm sure there are less defensive people who will appreciate the explanation

No one is emotionally invested enough in your questions to shout at you, anyone who takes the time to answer your questions is trying to help you


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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26500092 - 02/23/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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c10h12n2o said:
I used keywords in capital letters because they are crucial to understanding the concept I was explaining, and I'm sure there are less defensive people who will appreciate the explanation

No one is emotionally invested enough in your questions to shout at you, anyone who takes the time to answer your questions is trying to help you





oke great, next time you could use a disclaimer or something


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