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K Y O bulk monotub tek - WBS to coir
    #26499274 - 02/23/20 12:07 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I'm putting the method that I used to grow, because I'm seeing so many different ways to grow. What I have done in the past has given me great yields, so listen up!

Materials


Spores
Wild Bird Seed
Aluminum foil
Tyvek
Polyfil
Quart jars
Pressure Cooker
Strainers
Paper towels
Buckets with lids
Clear rubbermaid containers, 68qt
coconut coir
vermiculite
gypsum (optional)
coffee (optional)
plastic drop cloths
ozium or oust
face masks
50% alcohol

Getting ready


Alright, let's say everything is ordered and here, and we're about to begin. What is the very first thing to do? Figure out how much material we will need. This tek will provide measurements, instructions, and whatnot for 1 bulk monotub.

You want 5 quart jars of mycelium spawn for one tub, so I'll go through this tek like I'm making 1 tub, from nothing.

Soak


Take a quart jar, and get yourself 5 quarts of wild bird seed. Put it in strainer and rinse it out, there's a lot of dust and stuff in general on the bird seed. Once your WBS is rinsed, you can put it into a bucket of water. Try and let the WBS soak for about 12 hours. Soaking the WBS will let it absorb some water, and also help rinse it further.

When you dump your WBS into the bucket, you'll see a lot of sunflower seeds, pull em out. They're simply not as nutritious as the millet and stuff that is in there. Any floating seeds should be pulled out too.

It's at this point that you'll add some nutrients to your grow. They are not mandatory to grow mushrooms, and you can use simply WBS alone. If you choose to add a cup or two of coffee, do it while the seed is in soak. Same with the gypsum. Take 5% of your dry weight of grain you are soaking, and that is the amount of gypsum to use. Gypsum will help add calcium to your myc, and help against clumping of the bird seed too.

Simmer


Simmering your WBS is important. It gets your grain to it's field capacity. It also helps germinate some endospores that we can kill in the pressure cooker.

Go ahead and dump the WBS into the strainer again and rinse it off again. After sitting for half a day it may develop a sort of film or something. Get the grains on the stove on low to medium heat, just so the water starts to simmer, you don't want a roaring boil at all. Mix the seed around gently to help minimize the number of them that cook. Do this for 15-20 minutes.

Back into the strainer. Give it a final rinse. Well now what? All this seed is wet as shit?! Here's what I do, and I haven't seen it talked about much here.

I take say 6 paper towels, and fold them so it's like a 6 ply paper towel and lay it down. Dump some seed on it, and pretty much pat it, and massage it with more paper towels to get the excess water off. We don't want the grains soaking wet in the PC! This is a technique that you really just have to have a feel for. You don't want to over dry, or pull moisture out of the WBS, and you don't want to leave it too wet either. You wanna pat em down until the seed rolls finely through your hands, without sticking. We're aiming for 100% saturation here.

Jars and Jar prep


Take yourself a 1/4 drill bit and drill a hole through the center. Pull off some polyfil, spin it up, make it tight, and stuff it through the hole. You can cut the ends so there's not a lot of extra or anything. You can over stuff this hole and make it hard for your syringe, fyi. This is a "completed lid"

Go back in time a few days and stop by the post office. They have priority mail envelopes that are made of tyvek. You can take 50 of them if you want. Make sure you have some of this tyvek cut in circles or squares, one for each jar.

Get some aluminum foil, and have enough squares to cover the top of your jars twice

Jars


Now back to the grains. Take your nicely soaked and simmered WBS, and fill the quart jar up about 80% with the WBS. Put a layer of tyvek over the jar hole. Put your completed lid on. Screw it on tight. Cover it up with two layers of tin foil.

Pressure Cooker


Set your 5 jars in your PC. Make sure they don't sit directly on the metal, use a tray, or cut up a towel into a circle and set on the bottom. Add some water to your pressure cooker so it goes a couple inches up the jars. You don't want all the water to evaporate while PCing. This should go without saying, but also don't submerge your jars. We just went through all that trouble to get this shit perfect.

Set the 15 pound weight on your PC, and when it starts to wobble, give your jars 90-100 minutes.

After the time is up, turn off the heat and let the PC vent itself naturally. Don't open it prematurely or you'll most likely damage your PC beyond use. I'm sure there's been horror stories where they blow up too or something. Just leave it alone until it pressures down.

Safely open up your PC, and pull the jars out. Shake them to distribute the moisture evenly, 30-45 seconds per jar if you can. They'll be hot, use some gloves, or someone else's hands, haha. Now let these sit overnight, we want the temp below 80 preferably. Don't set them outside in the cold or in refrigeration though, as this may cause jars to burst.

Prep for spores


You have to understand, that 100% sterility does not exist, at least not in our neck of the woods. We pressure cook, and it only kills so many bacteria. The baddies are always present, and at best what we can hope for is to give our good rich white mycelium a foothold before trich or anything has a chance to recover.

I'll go and get a few of those cheap, 3 per dollar, plastic drop cloths, and make a tent of sorts with chairs in a room. I'll take either Ozium or Oust, and spray it in my tent. When I go to set anything like jars in the tent, they get sprayed down with 50% alcohol spray upon entry. I'll go and take a shower, and then put on only some boxers. I'd prefer to do it nude, but all that plastic and the balls...I just give the boxers a spray too. Since I've also sprayed either Ozium or oust, I'll wear a mask, also a bonus so I don't breathe on everything.

Inside the Tent


Inside the tent, I have the spore syringe, a torch, a paper towel with 50% alcohol on it, and the jars of course.

Since we're doing 1 tub, and using only 5 jars, one syringe will give us 2cc per jar. This is plenty, and I usually use 1cc per jar. No harm in using more spore though. First thing is to shake the syringe vigorously for probably 30 seconds, you want to distribute the spores evenly per cc. Heat the needle of the syringe up til it glows, and then put it in the paper towel of alcohol to cool off. Pull off the tin foil from Jar 1 and poke through the polyfil, and inject 2cc. Just move quickly and inject 2cc into the other 4. With both the tyvek and the polyfil, you probably won't need to do much else, but if you like you can put a rubber band with a couple coffee filters around your jar if you're worried about the inoculation hole.

After your inject the spores, give everything a nice shake. 30 seconds or so.

Now you can set the jars aside and forget about them for awhile. After 5 to 7 days or so, you may begin to see some signs of growth. Hopefully it's all white. Any green or black, just throw the jar out seriously. Once they get about a quarter to a third of the way colonized, go ahead and give them a shake if it looks like it will help distribute the growth. It may or may not need it really.

Prepping the tub


Get a 68 or 70 quart rubbermaid tub or something from walmart. It really does not need to be very precise. Take a ruler, and make a line at 4 inches high. On the fat sides of the tub, put two 2" holes on each, for a total of 4. Try not to break the tub. Run the drill in reverse. You can also heat a 2" fitting, and melt away a hole nice and easy.

Somewhere near the handles kinda high on the tub, go ahead and put another hole. I'm doing this without pics right now obviously, but I hope that you have 6 holes now. 2 high up by the handles, and 4 down low at 4 inches, 2 on each side.

Right now we can go ahead and tape them up.

Prepping the Substrate


Get your bucket with lid. You will be mixing stuff up, so let's take a look at the substrate itself. We want to be using coconut coir, not rind, or husk, or some powder shit. You can find what you need from the vendors here, I know that for a fact. For our one monotub, get a 650 gram brick of coir. If it's like, super brick hard compacted, break it up some.

Throw the 650 grams of coir in the bucket. Take a quart jar and get 2 quarts of vermiculite. Dump that into the bucket. On the stove, take a quart jar and  boil 4 quarts of water. You do not have to let it get to a roaring boil, just cover it and when it starts to bubble it's fine. Dump it into the bucket with the coir and verm, and give it a little mix. Now let it sit for a couple hours.

After 2 hours or so, the coir will have soaked up the water, and it will be easier to break up and mash around now. This is important that everything get mixed well, you don't want chunks of dry coir in your monotub.

After 3 or so hours, it's probably getting cooled down enough to use. You don't wanna kill anything by mixing it with 120 degree substrate. Let it cool down to hopefully 80 or so.

Tubbing


It's hard work, but try to set up a few plastic sheets, and set yourself up another sterile environment. The risk is truly way lower for contaminants at this stage of the game, but why risk it is my opinion on the matter.

Get your monotub opened up, maybe spray some 50% and paper towel it dry real quick. Dump your bucket substrate into the mono. Now go ahead and open up your jars. This is why WBS is so great. I just take a fork, and with a few whipping motions it's tons of tiny white millet and milo snow, it mixes in very well with the bulk substrate. There's really no need for a casing layer. I've read some of the threads about Penis Envy though, and that one should probably be cased. If that's the case, just dump only 80% into the monotub at first, and use the rest as casing.

After everything is mixed up, and leveled out, go ahead and put the lid on it, and cover it up with a blanket or something. Don't think about it for 10 days.

Fruiting


After 10 days, I'd go ahead and start fruiting. Take the blanket off the monotub, and take the tape off of the holes. Take a wad of polyfil and stick it in each of the 6 holes. Do the top holes lightly, and the 4 bottom holes kinda heavy on the 'fil. Set up a fan, so there is some air circulation. Try not to have the fan directly at the tub.

Not much to do now. Twice a day, open the top lid of the monotub. use the lid to fan the mushrooms. Do this for 10 seconds or so.

Using 4 quarts of water in preparation, there's plenty of moisture in there. You shouldn't need to spray them until after you've gotten a first full flush from them.

Multiple Flushes


After you've picked the goodies, you can rehydrate the substrate and get more. Simply take two dowel rods and stick them in the bottom holes holding the substrate down. Fill the tub with water and let it set for 4 or 6 hours. The rods will hold the sub in place, so you can even set it upside down to drain the excess water afterwards.



Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks!


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Re: K Y O bulk monotub tek - WBS to coir [Re: kyoinwyo]
    #26499279 - 02/23/20 12:18 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Few things:

First, it's illegal to destroy the post office envelopes. You can get a tyvek painters suit from a hardware store for really cheap, and it will make a boat load of filters.

Second, you didn't mention venting your PC before putting the weight on, which is an important step.

Also, that little tent you make sounds like a giant hassle compared to using an SAB.


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Re: K Y O bulk monotub tek - WBS to coir [Re: Mr.Wizard]
    #26499726 - 02/23/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Good points, I guess.

I've never "vented" my PC when using. Vent what exactly, I guess? I just start to build heat inside. If you're worried about loose grains plugging your hole on top, you can take the weight off and check.

Maybe some of my non-venting comes from only using large All American PCs?

Yeah the tent I make takes time, but I can set it all up in about 5 minutes, which is nothing compared to the peace of mind the attempt at sterility gives me there.

When growing mushrooms, its all about eliminating as much of the bad as we can, to give our good myc time to colonize everything.

There's tons of ways to do all this stuff. I'm just sharing the steps I used when I grew. Over 2000 jars used, and probably less than 20 of those failed to grow or contaminated. I can only recall 2 tubs I've had to junk. I'd like to move somewhere its decriminalized and grow again, and if I did, I'm using what always gave me 99%+ success


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Re: K Y O bulk monotub tek - WBS to coir [Re: Mr.Wizard]
    #26499744 - 02/23/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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First, it's illegal to destroy the post office envelopes.




Omfg :rofl:

Venting pcs is to equalize the steam pressure inside the PC. Otherwise pockets of air can become trapped giving you uneven temps/pressure. Super duper important.

Op- good effort with your write up :cheers:

..but you got a lot of outdated/bad info. Keep growing keep learning...and build a sab.


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Re: K Y O bulk monotub tek - WBS to coir [Re: mushboy]
    #26499752 - 02/23/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Also telling someone to flame then rest/wipe with iso is mega fail.


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Re: K Y O bulk monotub tek - WBS to coir [Re: mushboy]
    #26499754 - 02/23/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yep, cronicr debunked the endospore thing recently:

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kyoinwyo said:
Soaking and simmering is a really important part of the process if you're using WBS. For contamination issues, simmering before you put your WBS in your PC will help germinate some of the endospores that will then be killed during pressure cooking.

Soaking will absorb some water, but the simmering will bring that WBS to full field capacity.

Can I ask what non soak and simmer tek you're using?



soaking and simmering has nothing to do with endospores. we pc to kill endospores we soak and simmer to soften, hydrate and dry.soakimg softens the grain helping to limit burst kernels, simmer can ensure nice plump grains and helps steam dry them but the pc is gonna kill the endospores, the old " letting them germinate " myth was a bust before it was even a thing, once they hatch they aren't endospores they are just bacteria which make more endospores
soaking softens the grain




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Re: K Y O bulk monotub tek - WBS to coir [Re: mushboy]
    #26499763 - 02/23/20 11:00 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

This whole thing is full of bad advise. And why would loose grains plug your vent?

Why go to all that work to syringe to grain?

Why cover your tub with a towel?

Why prep your tubs inside a plastic biodome?

What about using a liner for your tub?

Should not have to fan the tub if built correctly.

I'm not posting this to bust balls, i just see alot of people following bad information and sharing more of it is less helpful to the overall community.


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Re: K Y O bulk monotub tek - WBS to coir [Re: Sockadin]
    #26499839 - 02/23/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry the general consensus is negative. Still, my results have always spoken for themselves.

I'm glad to hear new info for myself about endospores, and yes, my tek is not 2020 up to date I guess.

As far as a liner, I've just never been a fan. Yeah I've had side pinning, but whatever, just more shrooms.

Correct, you probably don't need to fan the monotub. I've done a couple hundred tubs total in the past, and working full time, shit sometimes my tubs would be fruiting and ignored for days on end, with no major problems. I just felt personally my tubs filled fuller with more FAE at that point. Once again, all the success with doing exactly the same thing every time just led me to continue on.

What's wrong with heating my needle? The paper towel with 50% I feel is more to cool the needle down afterwards, so I don't fry spores. I'm into hearing what you do instead. The needle is new, so maybe nothing is needed. No problem with any response, but maybe try and help and contribute too, yes?

Like, I started browsing around on here kinda outta boredom, and compared to years back, it seems like the forums are full of contam issues, tons of fuckin brf cakes (no hate, it's where I started). I'm seeing lots of pics of monotubs with what appear to be no holes.

I think using "my tek" haha, someone with literally no experience, could grow themselves 12 ounces or so in one quick easy go round. For probably only $250 including PC.

Tons of ways to do this stuff, and you're probably not doing it my way. Cool. Respond and talk. Bad info, I guess. But once again, wild mad over 99% success every single time. You can think of me the next time you look at a jar of green


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Re: K Y O bulk monotub tek - WBS to coir [Re: kyoinwyo]
    #26499842 - 02/23/20 11:57 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

The point of flaming the needle is too sterilize the needle. Wiping or cooling the blade no longer means the needle is sterile.

Sanitize and sterilize are completely different.

The old saying around here goes..

'Wiping a flamed blade is like washing your hands only to rub shit all over them'

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You can think of me the next time you look at a jar of green




I will:lol:


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Re: K Y O bulk monotub tek - WBS to coir [Re: mushboy]
    #26499860 - 02/23/20 12:11 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I guess that makes sense with the needle. It would probably be best to heat it and just let it cool. I just want to use it asap I guess.

I've always tried to be over the top on keeping stuff clean, so I do appreciate the advice to not wipe the needle after heating. Thanks!


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Re: K Y O bulk monotub tek - WBS to coir [Re: kyoinwyo]
    #26499888 - 02/23/20 12:26 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Got pics of your grain jars?

I guarantee that 'film' you mentioned is starch from burst grains.

Ime heat+bird seed=sticky mess just soak, drain, load. Easy.

Being overly anything in this hobby is usualy detrimental to the process.


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Re: K Y O bulk monotub tek - WBS to coir [Re: mushboy]
    #26499907 - 02/23/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I don't have anything going on right now, or I'd post something.

I guess the seed just looked fuller if I simmer it. I agree about the heat, I'd stir it very frequently so I didn't mush anything out. Eliminating simmering would cut down on time, that's for sure. I'm in a real small space now, don't even have closet room, but I'm hoping to move south to the Denver area sometime. More for work opportunities than mushrooms, lol, but they're low risk there too. When I can grow again, I'll do a half / half run of simmering and not simmering, and see what's up. A few years back I had a couple dozen tubs running rotation. Eliminating a step would've been great.

I agree being overly anything can be bad, but for myself worth it in the quest for a clean environment.

Thanks for your response!


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Re: K Y O bulk monotub tek - WBS to coir [Re: kyoinwyo]
    #26503954 - 02/25/20 08:01 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Dont tell me to listen up lol....


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Re: K Y O bulk monotub tek - WBS to coir [Re: primelines]
    #26504104 - 02/25/20 09:21 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Bad tek.


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Re: K Y O bulk monotub tek - WBS to coir [Re: antmanmax]
    #26504586 - 02/26/20 09:48 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I guess if you think so. What's bad about it exactly? If you have some knowledge that I don't, go ahead and share it. Little two words responses are just...obtuse, wouldn't you agree?

It seems like the biggest issue I've gotten a response about has been considering my simmering. Ok, it may be true that it may not cause endoscopes to start growing, that also seems to be irrelevant. Furthermore, even just browsing other people growing using WBS, it seems to confirm my assumption on simmering being a net positive.  Both with better water absorption and reports of larger flushes.

I suggest growing one monotub, start to finish using my tek. Afterwards, you could compare it to what's working for you now. Then, a conversation could take place about where I'm fucking up.


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Re: K Y O bulk monotub tek - WBS to coir [Re: kyoinwyo]
    #26504613 - 02/26/20 10:14 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I expected much more flaming while reading this lol OP, good on ya for not melting in response to criticism...now, here’s what you did wrong...:rofl2: no, no, it’s all been said.

But I sympathize with you OP. Coming back after a long break from the mush cult community felt like starting over for me too. I remember thinking “OMG what, if you have no holes in your mono, it won’t pin!” And “OMG if you colonize in fruiting conditions it’ll pin early and tam out!” and “OMFG what’s with all the agar hype!”

Turns out people just found better, easier ways to get results.
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Re: K Y O bulk monotub tek - WBS to coir [Re: kyoinwyo]
    #26504616 - 02/26/20 10:15 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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What's bad about it exactly?




My biggest problem is that your TEK is based on injecting spores directly into grains. You have been around here for a longer time and must know that it is frowned upon here by pretty much everyone with a few bulk grows under their belt.

Spore syringes are literally almost never 100% sterile and this sterility(or lack of) is out of your hands - so even if everything else goes perfectly it can still end up completely contaminated because of syringes.

And the fact that your write up did not mention PC venting seems like a huge flaw and you confirmed that you don't usually do that yourself. This makes everyone experienced to question your expertise and TEK.

Venting is not exclusive to mycology - that is one of the first steps in every pressure cooker usage manual no matter what you do. Air pockets -> no uniform pressure (partial) -> lower effective operational temperature. If you don't vent the pressure gauge could say 15PSI but the temperature in the PC will be lower than you think and the whole batch won't sterilise as well.

Please see this thread from bodhisatta (section :
Starting Up the Cycle: Venting )  : https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24180711/vc/1#24180711

he explains why not venting is just plain bad.


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Re: K Y O bulk monotub tek - WBS to coir [Re: kyoinwyo]
    #26504675 - 02/26/20 11:07 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I guess if you think so. What's bad about it exactly? If you have some knowledge that I don't, go ahead and share it. Little two words responses are just...obtuse, wouldn't you agree?

It seems like the biggest issue I've gotten a response about has been considering my simmering. Ok, it may be true that it may not cause endoscopes to start growing, that also seems to be irrelevant. Furthermore, even just browsing other people growing using WBS, it seems to confirm my assumption on simmering being a net positive.  Both with better water absorption and reports of larger flushes.

I suggest growing one monotub, start to finish using my tek. Afterwards, you could compare it to what's working for you now. Then, a conversation could take place about where I'm fucking up.




I would grow one Monotub with your TEK, but I'm afraid it would be a waste of time because it inherently will fail. Why waste all the time and effort to try and prove you are correct, just post some pictures of the hundreds of tubs you have grown and We Good


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Re: K Y O bulk monotub tek - WBS to coir [Re: Sockadin]
    #26504685 - 02/26/20 11:16 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I think he’s got enough pics. This is how people grew for years - it works...like, at least 60% of the time:rofl2:

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Re: K Y O bulk monotub tek - WBS to coir [Re: feldman114]
    #26504719 - 02/26/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I think he didn't get shit on that bad because he's not having some irrational emotional response to the criticism.
You don't see that too often, especially from users that put themselves out there.

So kudos to you. :cheers:

As mentioned before, you should look into some newer bulk teks,
if you want, and adapt them to what you have going on here.
You may be pleased to see differences in ease and efficiency.


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Re: K Y O bulk monotub tek - WBS to coir [Re: kyoinwyo]
    #26506387 - 02/27/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I guess if you think so. What's bad about it exactly? If you have some knowledge that I don't, go ahead and share it. Little two words responses are just...obtuse, wouldn't you agree?





Everyone else has said everything. Outdated, inefficient, not best practices. Keep up to date on your reading, your next tek post will be 100x better I guarantee it.

Also, getting super defensive towards the many people criticizing your "tek" due to it having outdated, inefficient, and all around bad information, and then not changing a single word of the tek is just...obtuse, wouldn't you agree?


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Re: K Y O bulk monotub tek - WBS to coir [Re: Zachsonpub]
    #26509606 - 02/29/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I think he didn't get shit on that bad because he's not having some irrational emotional response to the criticism.
You don't see that too often, especially from users that put themselves out there.

So kudos to you. :cheers:

As mentioned before, you should look into some newer bulk teks,
if you want, and adapt them to what you have going on here.
You may be pleased to see differences in ease and efficiency.





Thanks On Pub, with a thoughtful response. Very seriously, I'm open to any honest criticisms, especially if one could point out specifically where I have been in error.

I got back on the forums here after being gone for 7 years plus and there's definitely new tweaks on old teks, and some entirely new ideas out there. Lot more people growing in bags now, for example.

Years back, people like Doc34, D5050, RR, cron, these people on the forums educating and helping people were growing with roaring success ten years ago or more. Is their knowledge or experience irrelevant because it wasn't posted in 2020? The obvious answer is no.

I lived in WY when I started growing, then fell in with a group and moved further east to grow bulk. (What ended that fun run was 2 felonies in Wisconsin, intent to deliver mushrooms, and not having a tax stamp on those mushrooms) I used a combination of Doc and D5050's tek, and followed the instructions above almost to a T (I had a closet I plasticed instead of making a tent, for example ). We had about 15 grows of 10-12 tubs each time. Only tossed one because of contam, and one more cause it looked off. During each grow I'd average 0-3 jars that would green out. This is a success rate of about 99% following the exact instructions I listed.

Mycology is great, in that there are dozens, if not hundreds of ways to successfully grow. People grew shrooms 30 years ago with success, 10 years ago with success, and even right now in 2020 with success.

I'm unaware of any single, one, unified way to grow mushrooms. I don't think anyone responding to my thread knows either, because no one has supplied a link to The Only Way To Grow Mushrooms. My tek is simply another way to grow successfully, and due to availability of materials, might be very helpful to some people.

I'm probably not finished growing forever, but more waiting for the legal atmosphere to improve, so I'm definitely into any discussions about my tek, and ways to improve it. Hell, I was looking around and saw someone used a drill with a paint mixer on it to stir up his coir substrate. Blew my fucking mind. I was using a piece of rebar!

So far, I've had someone think heating my needle and cooling with alcohol is a negative (with no reason why). I included a mention about endoscopes during simmering that might be incorrect, and admitted so in a response. (All current browsing in 2020 leads me to believe simmering WBS is still the way to go, however), and some other teenager simply said "bad tek" with no reason why.

If that's all the flaws in my tek, I'd say it's one of many great teks out there.

Thanks!


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Re: K Y O bulk monotub tek - WBS to coir [Re: antmanmax]
    #26509656 - 02/29/20 11:37 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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kyoinwyo said:
I guess if you think so. What's bad about it exactly? If you have some knowledge that I don't, go ahead and share it. Little two words responses are just...obtuse, wouldn't you agree?





Everyone else has said everything. Outdated, inefficient, not best practices. Keep up to date on your reading, your next tek post will be 100x better I guarantee it.

Also, getting super defensive towards the many people criticizing your "tek" due to it having outdated, inefficient, and all around bad information, and then not changing a single word of the tek is just...obtuse, wouldn't you agree?





Thank you for the response, but once again, a response with no helpful information for myself or anyone reading.

Let's address your concerns.

Outdated. Well, success at or above 99% shows that the information I'm supplying is not outdated.

Inefficient. Well, possibly true, in the context of producing one tub. However, if you buy only the materials for one tub, including PC, you can grow yourself over half a pound dried for less than $250. You can also do this fairly quickly, two months, maybe less? I would inoculate 12, g2g to 120, and tub it into 10-12 tubs. That's multiple pounds for an extra two week g2g cycle. So...what is inefficient about this?

Not best practices. Hmmm. I opened a new tab, and did a quick search for "tek" and 36 pages popped up. Tells me there's a lot of different practices being used. Regardless of the number of available teks, I think the ones that produce extremely high rates of success would be using very great practices in general. Keep in mind, I didn't look through all 36 pages, so I may have missed The One And Only Way To Grow Mushrooms Tek.

Getting defensive. Yeah, you're right. Because I've taken my time to write out a tek that will give anyone reading excellent results, for little money, quickly, and haven't received specific recommendations for improvements. Like, just simply stating I'm doing something wrong is fuckin stupid. Ask a question. Post relevant information or links, like wtf?

I wouldn't just go back to my original post and edit it. That makes the following posts on "all my fuck ups" not make sense, and ultimately an unreadable thread. If there's new information presented that would warrant a tek rewrite, I'd repost the revision, or start a new thread entirely.

I actually presented my tek, to help people. Over a decade ago, I would get on the forums here, and read entire 40 page threads. (Below this response box even, I see a 105 page tek from BOD. The title says modified mono w no holes or polyfill. I havent read a single page, but if it yields consistent results, great!) They're still here. I've mentioned it before, but people like RR, cron, Doc, the people that have years upon years of experience - consistent success built upon results just doesn't expire. It ultimately doesn't matter if the thread started in 2007 or 2020, what matters is the information contained inside it.

I hoped that like many other threads before this one, it would become a melting pot of knowledge and information. And when you're just starting out, or you haven't even started you're still soaking up info, it's all helpful and relevant. I don't think anyone should blindly follow any one person's knowledge with something like mycology, including mine of course.

If you, any noob, anyone with a TC tag have a question about why I do something, simply ask. Here's an example -

"Hey, why do you heat your needle, and then put an alcohol swap or towel on it?"

And then I can reply like -

"Well, I do this to keep my needle clean, and the alcohol cools my needle down so I can use it within seconds and not worry about cooking my spores from the hot needle"

Also, please respond if there is something wrong with anything procedural that I'm doing. If you think I'm doing something wrong, that means you believe you have a better or correct way though, so share that reason for myself and all the readers.

Some kid replied a while back that heating the needle, then cooling with alcohol was a bad thing. But there was no reason why. Browsing the forums (now, in 2020) the method seems to work plenty fine. Also the reasoning behind it seems pretty sound. Let me know why I'm incorrect, not just simply that I am.

Thanks!


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Re: K Y O bulk monotub tek - WBS to coir [Re: kyoinwyo]
    #26509687 - 02/29/20 12:00 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I believe the consensus is that wiping after flaming the needle is backwards. Most people squirt a drop of solution out of the needle to cool it. Flame sterilizes the needle, while alcohol sanitizes it, and we want a sterile needle.


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Re: K Y O bulk monotub tek - WBS to coir [Re: Dispsiple]
    #26509710 - 02/29/20 12:23 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for your quick reply. Love it. I appreciate your info between sterilization and sanitization, for sure, and I'm glad you contributed to my thread. In my mind, all the cleanliness measures have just been lumped into one. Very true though, flame is the superior method due to sterilization. And a loss of a drop or two per syringe isn't too bad


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Re: K Y O bulk monotub tek - WBS to coir [Re: kyoinwyo] * 1
    #26510165 - 02/29/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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kyoinwyo said:

Outdated. Well, success at or above 99% shows that the information I'm supplying is not outdated.




Just because you've made outdated methods work for you doesn't mean the methods aren't outdated.

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kyoinwyo said:

So...what is inefficient about this?




Outdated methods lead to error more often than more recent, more efficient methods.

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kyoinwyo said:
I may have missed The One And Only Way To Grow Mushrooms Tek.




Everyone has a different way of growing shrooms. The ones who do the best, follow best practices. You are following outdated practices.


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I simply stating I'm doing something wrong is fuckin stupid. Ask a question. Post relevant information or links, like wtf?




I'm stating that other people are trusted cultivators, and you aren't, because you don't follow best practices.


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And when you're just starting out, or you haven't even started you're still soaking up info, it's all helpful and relevant.




It is not helpful when the info is out of date.


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kyoinwyo said:Let me know why I'm incorrect, not just simply that I am.




Again, see any TC's thread on sterile technique. Alcohol sanitizes, it does not sterilize. Interesting how a noob like me knows this, yet someone writing teks doesn't. Maybe because I spend my time reading instead of writing outdated teks?


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