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antmanmax
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Re: K Y O bulk monotub tek - WBS to coir [Re: kyoinwyo]
#26506387 - 02/27/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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kyoinwyo said: I guess if you think so. What's bad about it exactly? If you have some knowledge that I don't, go ahead and share it. Little two words responses are just...obtuse, wouldn't you agree?
Everyone else has said everything. Outdated, inefficient, not best practices. Keep up to date on your reading, your next tek post will be 100x better I guarantee it.
Also, getting super defensive towards the many people criticizing your "tek" due to it having outdated, inefficient, and all around bad information, and then not changing a single word of the tek is just...obtuse, wouldn't you agree?
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Re: K Y O bulk monotub tek - WBS to coir [Re: Zachsonpub]
#26509606 - 02/29/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Zachsonpub said: I think he didn't get shit on that bad because he's not having some irrational emotional response to the criticism. You don't see that too often, especially from users that put themselves out there.
So kudos to you. 
As mentioned before, you should look into some newer bulk teks, if you want, and adapt them to what you have going on here. You may be pleased to see differences in ease and efficiency.
Thanks On Pub, with a thoughtful response. Very seriously, I'm open to any honest criticisms, especially if one could point out specifically where I have been in error.
I got back on the forums here after being gone for 7 years plus and there's definitely new tweaks on old teks, and some entirely new ideas out there. Lot more people growing in bags now, for example.
Years back, people like Doc34, D5050, RR, cron, these people on the forums educating and helping people were growing with roaring success ten years ago or more. Is their knowledge or experience irrelevant because it wasn't posted in 2020? The obvious answer is no.
I lived in WY when I started growing, then fell in with a group and moved further east to grow bulk. (What ended that fun run was 2 felonies in Wisconsin, intent to deliver mushrooms, and not having a tax stamp on those mushrooms) I used a combination of Doc and D5050's tek, and followed the instructions above almost to a T (I had a closet I plasticed instead of making a tent, for example ). We had about 15 grows of 10-12 tubs each time. Only tossed one because of contam, and one more cause it looked off. During each grow I'd average 0-3 jars that would green out. This is a success rate of about 99% following the exact instructions I listed.
Mycology is great, in that there are dozens, if not hundreds of ways to successfully grow. People grew shrooms 30 years ago with success, 10 years ago with success, and even right now in 2020 with success.
I'm unaware of any single, one, unified way to grow mushrooms. I don't think anyone responding to my thread knows either, because no one has supplied a link to The Only Way To Grow Mushrooms. My tek is simply another way to grow successfully, and due to availability of materials, might be very helpful to some people.
I'm probably not finished growing forever, but more waiting for the legal atmosphere to improve, so I'm definitely into any discussions about my tek, and ways to improve it. Hell, I was looking around and saw someone used a drill with a paint mixer on it to stir up his coir substrate. Blew my fucking mind. I was using a piece of rebar!
So far, I've had someone think heating my needle and cooling with alcohol is a negative (with no reason why). I included a mention about endoscopes during simmering that might be incorrect, and admitted so in a response. (All current browsing in 2020 leads me to believe simmering WBS is still the way to go, however), and some other teenager simply said "bad tek" with no reason why.
If that's all the flaws in my tek, I'd say it's one of many great teks out there.
Thanks!
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Re: K Y O bulk monotub tek - WBS to coir [Re: antmanmax]
#26509656 - 02/29/20 11:37 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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antmanmax said:
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kyoinwyo said: I guess if you think so. What's bad about it exactly? If you have some knowledge that I don't, go ahead and share it. Little two words responses are just...obtuse, wouldn't you agree?
Everyone else has said everything. Outdated, inefficient, not best practices. Keep up to date on your reading, your next tek post will be 100x better I guarantee it.
Also, getting super defensive towards the many people criticizing your "tek" due to it having outdated, inefficient, and all around bad information, and then not changing a single word of the tek is just...obtuse, wouldn't you agree?
Thank you for the response, but once again, a response with no helpful information for myself or anyone reading.
Let's address your concerns.
Outdated. Well, success at or above 99% shows that the information I'm supplying is not outdated.
Inefficient. Well, possibly true, in the context of producing one tub. However, if you buy only the materials for one tub, including PC, you can grow yourself over half a pound dried for less than $250. You can also do this fairly quickly, two months, maybe less? I would inoculate 12, g2g to 120, and tub it into 10-12 tubs. That's multiple pounds for an extra two week g2g cycle. So...what is inefficient about this?
Not best practices. Hmmm. I opened a new tab, and did a quick search for "tek" and 36 pages popped up. Tells me there's a lot of different practices being used. Regardless of the number of available teks, I think the ones that produce extremely high rates of success would be using very great practices in general. Keep in mind, I didn't look through all 36 pages, so I may have missed The One And Only Way To Grow Mushrooms Tek.
Getting defensive. Yeah, you're right. Because I've taken my time to write out a tek that will give anyone reading excellent results, for little money, quickly, and haven't received specific recommendations for improvements. Like, just simply stating I'm doing something wrong is fuckin stupid. Ask a question. Post relevant information or links, like wtf?
I wouldn't just go back to my original post and edit it. That makes the following posts on "all my fuck ups" not make sense, and ultimately an unreadable thread. If there's new information presented that would warrant a tek rewrite, I'd repost the revision, or start a new thread entirely.
I actually presented my tek, to help people. Over a decade ago, I would get on the forums here, and read entire 40 page threads. (Below this response box even, I see a 105 page tek from BOD. The title says modified mono w no holes or polyfill. I havent read a single page, but if it yields consistent results, great!) They're still here. I've mentioned it before, but people like RR, cron, Doc, the people that have years upon years of experience - consistent success built upon results just doesn't expire. It ultimately doesn't matter if the thread started in 2007 or 2020, what matters is the information contained inside it.
I hoped that like many other threads before this one, it would become a melting pot of knowledge and information. And when you're just starting out, or you haven't even started you're still soaking up info, it's all helpful and relevant. I don't think anyone should blindly follow any one person's knowledge with something like mycology, including mine of course.
If you, any noob, anyone with a TC tag have a question about why I do something, simply ask. Here's an example -
"Hey, why do you heat your needle, and then put an alcohol swap or towel on it?"
And then I can reply like -
"Well, I do this to keep my needle clean, and the alcohol cools my needle down so I can use it within seconds and not worry about cooking my spores from the hot needle"
Also, please respond if there is something wrong with anything procedural that I'm doing. If you think I'm doing something wrong, that means you believe you have a better or correct way though, so share that reason for myself and all the readers.
Some kid replied a while back that heating the needle, then cooling with alcohol was a bad thing. But there was no reason why. Browsing the forums (now, in 2020) the method seems to work plenty fine. Also the reasoning behind it seems pretty sound. Let me know why I'm incorrect, not just simply that I am.
Thanks!
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Re: K Y O bulk monotub tek - WBS to coir [Re: kyoinwyo]
#26509687 - 02/29/20 12:00 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I believe the consensus is that wiping after flaming the needle is backwards. Most people squirt a drop of solution out of the needle to cool it. Flame sterilizes the needle, while alcohol sanitizes it, and we want a sterile needle.
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Re: K Y O bulk monotub tek - WBS to coir [Re: Dispsiple]
#26509710 - 02/29/20 12:23 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for your quick reply. Love it. I appreciate your info between sterilization and sanitization, for sure, and I'm glad you contributed to my thread. In my mind, all the cleanliness measures have just been lumped into one. Very true though, flame is the superior method due to sterilization. And a loss of a drop or two per syringe isn't too bad
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Re: K Y O bulk monotub tek - WBS to coir [Re: kyoinwyo] 1
#26510165 - 02/29/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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kyoinwyo said:
Outdated. Well, success at or above 99% shows that the information I'm supplying is not outdated.
Just because you've made outdated methods work for you doesn't mean the methods aren't outdated.
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kyoinwyo said:
So...what is inefficient about this?
Outdated methods lead to error more often than more recent, more efficient methods.
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kyoinwyo said: I may have missed The One And Only Way To Grow Mushrooms Tek.
Everyone has a different way of growing shrooms. The ones who do the best, follow best practices. You are following outdated practices.
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kyoinwyo said: I simply stating I'm doing something wrong is fuckin stupid. Ask a question. Post relevant information or links, like wtf?
I'm stating that other people are trusted cultivators, and you aren't, because you don't follow best practices.
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kyoinwyo said: And when you're just starting out, or you haven't even started you're still soaking up info, it's all helpful and relevant.
It is not helpful when the info is out of date.
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kyoinwyo said:Let me know why I'm incorrect, not just simply that I am.
Again, see any TC's thread on sterile technique. Alcohol sanitizes, it does not sterilize. Interesting how a noob like me knows this, yet someone writing teks doesn't. Maybe because I spend my time reading instead of writing outdated teks?
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