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Everyone knows that antibiotic resistance is a growing public health threat 2
#26498962 - 02/22/20 07:34 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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It would make sense, then, to assume that free market competition is driving pharmaceutical companies to create ever better antibiotics.
It's not. No antibiotics have been released by US pharmaceutical companies since 2015.
Why? Investors don't have a profit motive. They need to recoup their money before the patent on the drug expires, but this is basically impossible to do with antibiotics, because doctors try to avoid using the new ones as much as possible, to reduce the likelihood that bacteria will develop resistance to them.
What do we do? In Cuba, pharmaceutical research is conducted under the auspices of a government panel of experts. Under this system, research is prioritized and the resources necessary to conduct it are efficiently allocated by the government itself. Research is collaborative rather than competitive.
Despite being a very poor nation in general, Cuba has released an impressive repertoire of innovative medical technologies.
It's time to reconsider the idea that the free market is the most expedient driver of innovation in every industry. In many industries, what the free market actually innovates most effectively is a set of policies and procedures that maximize investor returns.
It is time we measured return on investment in terms of patient outcomes rather than dollars.
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Re: Everyone knows that antibiotic resistance is a growing public health threat [Re: morrowasted]
#26499037 - 02/22/20 08:26 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Im curious about Cuba's advancements in medical technology. Its it somehow beyond antibiotics? Some new form of antibiotics perhaps?
US pharma companies are definitely motivated by profits and not patient outcome as seen with dangerous opiate epidemic:
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Opioid abuse is rampant in states like Ohio, where paramedics are increasingly spending time responding to overdoses and where coroners’ offices are running out of room to store bodies. In 2012, there were 793 million doses of opioids prescribed in the state, enough to supply every man, woman, and child, with 68 pills each. Roughly 20 percent of the state’s population was prescribed an opioid in 2016. And Ohio leads the nation in overdose deaths.
Who is responsible for this? Some attorneys general and advocates are now asking in court whether the pharmaceutical companies who marketed the drugs and downplayed their addictive nature can be held legally responsible for—and made to pay for the consequences of—the crisis.
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/06/lawsuit-pharmaceutical-companies-opioids/529020/
Hopefully this type of mentality changes in the near future....
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Re: Everyone knows that antibiotic resistance is a growing public health threat [Re: morrowasted] 2
#26499060 - 02/22/20 08:40 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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It’s a major health concern. Bacteria will always keep evolving so the battle will never be completely won. In a sane world it would be a very well-funded cooperative global effort.
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Re: Everyone knows that antibiotic resistance is a growing public health threat [Re: morrowasted] 1
#26499215 - 02/22/20 10:39 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I heard about this on the radio this week.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/ce1qrvleleqt/artificial-intelligence
"Scientists discover powerful antibiotic using AI".
May help keep up with the little blighters.
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Re: Everyone knows that antibiotic resistance is a growing public health threat [Re: deucedbi9]
#26499434 - 02/23/20 05:34 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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deucedbi9 said: I heard about this on the radio this week.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/ce1qrvleleqt/artificial-intelligence
"Scientists discover powerful antibiotic using AI".
May help keep up with the little blighters.
I am betting that it never gets developed anyway
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Re: Everyone knows that antibiotic resistance is a growing public health threat [Re: morrowasted]
#26499478 - 02/23/20 07:02 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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If we have enough kinds of antibiotic, we can use a few until they build resistance, then use a few others till resistance to the original ones was lost and use those again, basically.
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Re: Everyone knows that antibiotic resistance is a growing public health threat [Re: Asante]
#26499541 - 02/23/20 08:18 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Asante said: If we have enough kinds of antibiotic, we can use a few until they build resistance, then use a few others till resistance to the original ones was lost and use those again, basically.
You can’t rotate them like that forever for several reasons. The main reason is bacteria mutate too quickly. But also doctors have to use varying types of antibiotics depending on the infection, the risk of infection, and the immune system of the patient.
But super bugs or whatever you want to call them can be resistant to all existing antibiotics or if there is such an antibiotic the hospitals are forced to be very discriminating about giving it out because it’s in short supply. That’s why they have committees that oversee the use of some the latest and greatest antibiotics. The individual doctors naturally want what’s best for their particular patients but other people need to consider the well-being of the community at large.
Staying current and a few steps ahead is crucial and has to be publicly funded.
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Re: Everyone knows that antibiotic resistance is a growing public health threat [Re: TheFakeSunRa] 2
#26499568 - 02/23/20 08:39 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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We must also absolutely STOP the practice of mixing antibiotics with animal feed in meat and poultry production. Its extremely foolish and the main cause of antibiotic resistance entering the microbial world.
Also, Muslims will cheer the proposal but I think we maybe should stop raising pigs for pork. Humans and pigs are biologically so alike that they are a reservoir for bacteria and virii mutating into forms dangerous for humans.
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Re: Everyone knows that antibiotic resistance is a growing public health threat [Re: Asante] 1
#26499611 - 02/23/20 09:18 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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You cant take my bacon, I but it on sale at giant tiger for $2.50 a pack, its really cheap and fatty and shitty bacon, but I love it
not to mention I need ham for split pea soup, you can use a smoked turkey drumstick instead, but the store dosnt always have them
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Re: Everyone knows that antibiotic resistance is a growing public health threat [Re: gopher] 1
#26499624 - 02/23/20 09:22 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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THEY MAY TAKE OUR LIVES BUT THEYLL NEVER TAKE OUR BACOOOOON!!
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Re: Everyone knows that antibiotic resistance is a growing public health threat [Re: Asante]
#26499883 - 02/23/20 12:24 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Asante said: We must also absolutely STOP the practice of mixing antibiotics with animal feed in meat and poultry production. Its extremely foolish and the main cause of antibiotic resistance entering the microbial world.
Also, Muslims will cheer the proposal but I think we maybe should stop raising pigs for pork. Humans and pigs are biologically so alike that they are a reservoir for bacteria and virii mutating into forms dangerous for humans.
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But you may not eat camels, rabbits or rock badgers. These animals chew the cud, but their feet are not divided. So they are unclean for you. 8 Pigs are also unclean for you. They have split hooves, but they do not chew the cud. Do not eat their meat or touch their dead bodies.
11 You may eat any clean bird. 12 But do not eat these birds: eagles, vultures, black vultures, 13 red kites, falcons, any kind of kite, 14 any kind of raven, 15 horned owls, screech owls, seagulls, any kind of hawk, 16 little owls, great owls, white owls, 17 desert owls, ospreys, cormorants, 18 storks, any kind of heron, the hoopoes or bats.
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Re: Everyone knows that antibiotic resistance is a growing public health threat [Re: morrowasted]
#26499926 - 02/23/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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There are several massive changes that need to be taken if we are to actually stop antibiotic resistance.
Legitimate pharmaceutical development is basically over. It's a shell game of bullshit chronic condition medications - like humira, NOW CITRATE FREE(TM) SO WE CAN KEEP TAKING YOUR MONEY AT A FUCKING OUTRAGEOUS RATE!
I regularly give our best antibiotics to patients that have chronic conditions and will die in a year or few. It's absurd.
This thing where family or patient is exclusive decision-maker for how much money should be spent on a patient absurd. The whole setup is insane - force the family closest to the patient, who is in the most intense grief of their life, to decide medically complex decisions they know nothing about?
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Re: Everyone knows that antibiotic resistance is a growing public health threat [Re: Asante]
#26500550 - 02/23/20 09:12 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Asante said: THEY MAY TAKE OUR LIVES BUT THEYLL NEVER TAKE OUR BACOOOOON!!
  
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Re: Everyone knows that antibiotic resistance is a growing public health threat [Re: morrowasted]
#26500716 - 02/23/20 11:45 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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You can just as easily make the argument that aggressive regulation and barriers to entry make it difficult for new drugs to come on the market. Often times this is favored by big companies to squash out potential competitors. But you can't make the argument to ease back regulation even a little bit because literally everyone will die the next day, god forbid. Even worse some bureaucrats may need to find a new job.
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Re: Everyone knows that antibiotic resistance is a growing public health threat [Re: Aedan]
#26500790 - 02/24/20 01:29 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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We combat these ridiculous notions by replacing the outdated laughable organic material with superior artificial (steel,3d printed, etc) material. Decaying organic parts of a human? Go beat rocks together caveman.
Also I'm not a doctor
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Re: Everyone knows that antibiotic resistance is a growing public health threat [Re: ichugwindex]
#26500812 - 02/24/20 01:56 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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ichugwindex said: We combat these ridiculous notions by replacing the outdated laughable organic material with superior artificial (steel,3d printed, etc) material. Decaying organic parts of a human? Go beat rocks together caveman.
Also I'm not a doctor
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Also I'm not a doctor
Also I'm not a doctor You're the doctor a father dead babies by the thousands one cum and then you killed them.
Babies have cine you[ve delivered at leat one. THe blood and woe, and even death did not bother you as womb fluids were shot all over your face,
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Re: Everyone knows that antibiotic resistance is a growing public health threat [Re: gopher] 2
#26500854 - 02/24/20 03:01 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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gopher said: You cant take my bacon, I but it on sale at giant tiger for $2.50 a pack, its really cheap and fatty and shitty bacon, but I love it
I buy the same bacon at giant tiger down the street from me , fattiest fucking bacon ever. But its still pretrty decent
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Re: Everyone knows that antibiotic resistance is a growing public health threat [Re: sh4d0ws]
#26500930 - 02/24/20 05:14 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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antibiotics are overprescribed. Doctors don't do a culture first, to verify that it is even a bacterial infection, let alone what kind before prescribing them. This has led to increasing resistance and will continue to do so.
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Re: Everyone knows that antibiotic resistance is a growing public health threat [Re: Babylon]
#26500963 - 02/24/20 06:05 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I had antibiotic resistant prostatitis some years ago. It was like being hit in the dick with a hammer for months on end. I ate a heavy cocktail of antibiotic drugs daily for 12 weeks in the end, was the last treatment on the list. That made me smell funny but it killed the little fuckers. I can't imagine dying of that malady.
I was warned about taking antibiotics in future. Apparently it does stuff to you when you hit the heavy stuff hard like that.
I wonder if the bacon started all that.
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Re: Everyone knows that antibiotic resistance is a growing public health threat [Re: Aedan]
#26502374 - 02/24/20 10:03 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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No, you can make that argument only because you have not really paid any attention to how many and how absurdly poor proof we have in plenty of approved medication.
This is only ever touted by those that worship the free market like a religious zealot. No proof or explanation why it can't happen now, just faith that the free-market will provide if you trust it enough.
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