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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: trvptamine] 1
#26498452 - 02/22/20 01:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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People like you can do that. It's not their role to discuss what other substances can do the same.
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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Enlil]
#26498688 - 02/22/20 03:55 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Enlil said: People like you can do that. It's not their role to discuss what other substances can do the same.
Right. What are they supposed to do, list every other thing in the world that can also increase risk of false memories? That's not how scientific journal articles work.
In any case I will reiterate that I think this is just another manifestation of the same changes that boost imagination/creativity on marijuana. When someone suggests something to you, you can conjure up mental imagery of that suggestion more vibrantly. This makes it feel potentially real. Doesn't mean you necessarily live a life built on lies because you smoke weed. Furthermore, that improved ability to conjure up mental imagery can and clearly has been channeled to create some fantastic art, writing, and technology.
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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: morrowasted]
#26498723 - 02/22/20 04:23 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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That's almost certainly very close to the mechanism. After all, we know that people can have false memories just from therapy techniques such as "repressed memory therapy" and things like that. In addition, it's no secret that people who are impaired on any chemical are more suggestible. It stands to reason that there are more opportunities for people to implant themselves with false memories when they're high.
When I used to practice hypnosis, the easiest subjects were drunk or high.
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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: morrowasted]
#26498847 - 02/22/20 06:08 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Enlil said: People like you can do that. It's not their role to discuss what other substances can do the same.
Right. What are they supposed to do, list every other thing in the world that can also increase risk of false memories? That's not how scientific journal articles work. .
Not at all. They could just acknowledge that false memories or complete memory blackouts are already a problem with the most widely used legal drug in existence rather than acting like its a new problem with legalizing weed.
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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: trvptamine]
#26498852 - 02/22/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Where did they say it was a new problem?
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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Tantrika]
#26498890 - 02/22/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Tantrika said: the constant mentioning of "virtual-reality" had me wondering and apparently they used VR to stage the experiment, which has me somewhat critical as VR itself has powerful suggestion-bias effects present even in sober participants but there appears to be some degree of placebo control vs. "cannabis users" which, then, introduces me to the question of whether the termed "cannabis users" are regular users who participated or irregular users who participated as the impacts of Cannabis in terms of false perceptions, and presumably false memory by association, anecdotally seem to be higher on people with less tolerance
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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Enlil]
#26499029 - 02/22/20 08:20 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Where did they say it was a new problem?
It doesnt anywhere. But they are talking about it like it is a new problem. Otherwise why bring it up in the first place?
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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: trvptamine]
#26499034 - 02/22/20 08:25 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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You're just overly sensitive.
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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Enlil] 1
#26499373 - 02/23/20 03:06 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Of course they worry about it with alcohol. That's not what this study is about, though. The effects of alcohol are well-understood and have been for decades. That's why this is the "news" forum....for new information. The legalization of weed is new, so people are interested in how that will change our society.
I realize you love your drug of choice, but it's not some sacred thing that no one should say anything negative about. If you're this sensitive about it, maybe you should avoid reading articles like this.
But there isn't any actual data supporting the "coulds" found within said article..it's pure conjecture and speculation, zero facts. This isn't "news" it's propaganda against the legalization of marijuana. Especially considering while cannabis may be newly legal, its use is not.
They took a study whose data results said one thing, and twisted its meaning and performed some mental gymnastics to make it support their agenda and wrote it to appear that the study results said something it did not. That's not news.
And if you needed any more evidence that this is propaganda, consider why the fuck is WebMD repeating CNN's "reporting" on the impact on society...which has nothing to do with healthcare or the medical implications of said study. Yet they went outside their scope and purpose to republish this propaganda, in an attempt to give it an air of legitimacy and neutrality and reach more eyeballs which might not be susceptible to CNN.
This is exactly what former KGB members and Soviet officials are talking about when they say the US was always so much better at propaganda, which made them jealous, that with Soviet propaganda it was obvious what was going on, but American propaganda is much harder to identify, subtle, and woven into every facet of our society.
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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Enlil]
#26500477 - 02/23/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Enlil said: You're just overly sensitive.
I dont deny that. I just want people to judge drugs equally. This article doesnt do that. And you are fighting for the wrong side so suck a dick baby girl I love weed!
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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: trvptamine]
#26500535 - 02/23/20 08:56 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Enlil]
#26500540 - 02/23/20 08:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Stoners
I rarely smoke weed bud. You just dont get the point. Maybe try looking at things through a clear sober lense. Alcoholics
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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: trvptamine] 1
#26500574 - 02/23/20 09:25 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't use alcohol or weed.
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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Enlil]
#26500603 - 02/23/20 09:47 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Enlil said: I don't use alcohol or weed.
Well then were pretty much in the same boat. I dont see why you dont understand the bias in the article then. Maybe try seeing straight.
By the way I was just joking a few posts back. You dont have to suck my dick lol.
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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: trvptamine]
#26502015 - 02/24/20 05:55 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lies of the matrix. those "false memories" is what the evil ones dont want you remembering.
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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Holybullshit]
#26502026 - 02/24/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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This isnt propaganda. You're paranoid. This is science.
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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: morrowasted] 1
#26502354 - 02/24/20 09:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Reads like it was written by someone who blacks out on alcohol. I think their memories were false from the start and they probably still don't know shit about shit.
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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Enlil] 1
#26502512 - 02/25/20 01:59 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Enlil said: I don't use alcohol or weed.
Am actually interested how alcohol may or may not contrast cannabis in this scenario one of the thoughts that has since come to me, is the idea that part of the agreeing with false statements from another witness may stem from the self-conciousness/anxiety that people report from cannabis use individuals who are aware they are taking a test related to memory, and that they are on cannabis, may be more inclined to agree with false facts from the other witness due to a fear of being perceived as stupid or inobservant for having missed those details that someone else caught
have never been a heavy alcohol user but my comprehension is it bolsters confidence which may or may not incline individuals to be more likely to believe their perception is the authentic one and the other witness is misremembering ?
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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: morrowasted]
#26503462 - 02/25/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: This isnt propaganda. You're paranoid. This is science.
Science is a religion, based on belief, government fabricated text books and "studies" are their bible. And mixing truth with 1% lies, still makes it 100% lies.
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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: lol5535]
#26503714 - 02/25/20 05:54 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: This isnt propaganda. You're paranoid. This is science.
Science is a religion, based on belief, government fabricated text books and "studies" are their bible. And mixing truth with 1% lies, still makes it 100% lies.
Science is a lot closer to the truth than any religion is for sure. I definitely think the article is biased, but it doesnt change that weed can cause people to recall false memories.
You sound like you also believe the Earth is flat.
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