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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: Big Worm]
    #26496283 - 02/20/20 11:56 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I use a dab bong, works really well. But the smoke is still pretty harsh.

It does look like that! Next time, try freezing in a deep, round glass dish :rainbowdrink:


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26496293 - 02/21/20 12:09 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

it would say try doing a lower temp dab.  But if you’re getting good results as is, you must not be burning it.  An enail would be the play.  You could really dial it in.


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26496303 - 02/21/20 12:22 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Ahhh, that's why. You know, pure naptha is sold in art supply stores as well as a paint thinner/remover.

https://www.macconsumercatalog.com/cob_3336030000responsive/product/9380/Naphtha.html



I dunno, I also read they stopped shipping to where I live, so I don't want to risk it.

They don't sell it here, but they used to. When I got my bark it even came with a note that said not to use the naphtha, or at least check the ingredients, because they changed it. I think it would be easier to use it but I'd have to drive to another state, get it there, then drive back.

I can't do it anymore, and it isn't just paranoia. I ordered a book the other day and when it arrived, the package was tore as if someone tried to see what it was, so I'm just not comfortable with that route. Art supply stores here only have heptane, which works, but probably needs a heat bath. It's called Bestine.

I don't want to be the guy who always ask for help and never knows how to do anything or has no real valuable skills, but that just sucks about where I live. On the other hand, it's a "medical marijuana" state, so I can't complain, but the downside is they removed all naphtha from hardware stores, and art stores only have the paint thinner/remover, which is heptane/Bestine. I haven't tried hexane, but read on the nexus naphtha is still probably better.

I can experiment with lighter fluid too, but I read those are hit and miss with the additional ingredients they add in. So for me it's either lighter fluid or heptane.


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: Blabble40] * 1
    #26496341 - 02/21/20 01:23 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

if you want to try an A/B tek in the near future I recommend trying 'Cyb's ATB Salt Tek'. You can find it pretty easily on the dmt nexus site, i tried to copy the link but it didn't work for some reason

It's really easy and I had great results (2% but it was so white i thought cleaning it some more would have no purpose other than lose some weight)

here's 1g of the stuff


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: Big Worm]
    #26496343 - 02/21/20 01:25 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I plan on getting an enail sometime in the future. That would be so swanky :cool:


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26496460 - 02/21/20 05:25 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Re-x with naphtha works very well the way yu described it.

But there's some noticable loss. Most people prefer the yellow stuff, it's richer in effects, a bigger yield, and easier to smoke. More pros than cons. :shrug:

Re-x only if you want pure white crystals.

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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26496466 - 02/21/20 05:40 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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But then again: If you ever put pure white DMT chrystals in a solvent at good saturation, like 30-40ml/g you would see that it doesnt really change its colour. The orange/yellowish tainting of the naptha you describe might be the result of impurities like plant oils and other alkaloids. This could be from using ACRB or very young MHRB or MHB and doing STB instead of A/B.

I do believe the A/B Teks i saw often had quite clear non-polar solvent in the end. This is as A/B gets out the plant oils etc. quite early.

Edit: Gonna double check on the changing colour while resolving part. It is definetely true for polar solvents like IPA, but it might be different for naptha etc.




Okay my update.

My friend did an STB alongside an A/B extraction to see the results and coloring of the np-solvent.

The Solvent of the A/B extraction was crystal clear (as expected). The resulting crystals where really white and don't need any purification.

The solvent in the STB extraction was rather clear, but a little tainted; this is due to the higher concentration of plant oils and jungle spices that where not cleaned out before. The resulting crystals where good but slightly yellow. One re-X was done for purification, but not much oil could be drained off.

Resolving 1g pure white crystals in 45ml np-solvent did not change its color.
Resolving the 850mg yellowish crystals in 40ml np-soolvent did change its colour noticeably.

From that we can conclude, that the coloring of the pulled solvents can be an indication of DMT content when doing an STB extraction. However other factors as Source material: type(MHRB or ACRB etc.), age, pre freezing etc. aswell as amount of naptha used, play a big influence aswell.






@Psicomvb

Congrats on your first extraction! I'm sure you can even increase yields by developing your own mixing routine (i found this is the most important part regarding final amount).
And definetely look into Change :wink:


@Big Worm

Nice dude, 2 kilos is quite a benchmark and yields of 1-1,5% are decent from STB.
My friend is processing several hundred grams only at the moment and wants to scale up. Do you have any advice for a mixing container? Preferrably it is resistant to Naptha, Hepthan, Hexan and NaOH. Bonus if it is resistant against HCl or Citric acid.


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26496469 - 02/21/20 05:43 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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So in a thread in the Chem and Pharma forum, it was discussed that you can defat simply by washing the plant bark with warm Naptha, then discarding the Naptha afterwords.

Has anyone tried this?





It sounds definetely possible, but you might lose some DMT in the process; the DMT in the plant are naturally alkaloids and therefore might bind to the naptha aswell. However the amount lost could be negligable.

If you are concerned about olily impurities just go for A/B or do an Acid wash after your STB pull. No risk of losing DMT there.


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: SpearCaps]
    #26496471 - 02/21/20 05:45 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Could u go into more details about the "acid wash"?


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: SpearCaps] * 1
    #26496472 - 02/21/20 05:46 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I recently got ~29g out of 2 kilos mhrb stb.

Freeze preciped ~7g of white flakes, the rest is yellow stuff from evaporation.



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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26496482 - 02/21/20 06:05 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Could u go into more details about the "acid wash"?




The principle works like this:

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(Optional) Acid/Base Purification and Defatting

If you did an acid/base extraction, this step is probably unnecessary, especially if you defatted before recovering the freebase. It can be done if you’re really worried about impurities and aren’t partial to any of the subsequent purification methods. If you went straight to base, then this step could be worth your while, as it allows you to defat your extract. On the other hand, many people find that Mimosa has little enough fat content that defatting leads to an unnecessary loss of product.

Extract your nonpolar DMT freebase solution with several volumes of water acidified to pH 3-4 with your choice of acid (hydrochloric, acetic, tartaric, etc.) and pool the extracts. If desired, defat the acidic solution with a couple volumes of nonpolar solvent (naphtha, toluene, etc.). Basify the solution to regenerate DMT freebase and recover by extracting with several volumes of extracting solvent (naphtha, DCM, hexanes, etc.), pooling the extracts.




Source: DMT Nexus Extraciton Overview.


Basically what you wan't to do is created several volumes of acidic solution, for example citric acid or acetic acid with a ph of 3-4 (Don't use HCl unless you know what you are doing!).
The amount that worked on my friends small/medium scale operation was taking the amount of source material in g as ml times 4. E.g. if you used 200g MHRB, prepare 800-1000ml of acidified DiW Solution ph 4.

Then take one quart of that solution and fill it into your naptha extractions. The acid will convert the DMT to its salt, e.g. DMT acetate and it will fall out of the naptha and bind with the DiW.
Then seperate out the Acid Water and fill it into a mixing container  (make sure it is still acidic if you have a ph measure). Do this extraction 3-4 times total.

Now you will have the combined Acid Extracts that contain the DMT salt, while plant oils and most impurities will be left behind in the Naptha.

The above quoted guide mentions here doing a naptha defatting. I don't believe this is necessary.

Now take an excess amount of NaOH and re-basify your solution. Taking it to a ph of 12 is preffered, being a little over or under is no problem. You might use 75g NaOH on 1000ml Acid solution for example (might be excess already). It will look really cool as you can see the DMT salt converting to freebase, as the SOlution will go milky for a while. Make sure to shake or stir a little. There is no risk of emulsion.

Now extract your Basic DMT containing solution with fresh naptha. You might used less naptha now as before, which will help with freeze preciprication. It will be very clear now. Make sure you shake (and prefferably heat) before decanting.

This will definetely result in some very fine white crystals. You might freeze precip ur left behind naptha (before the wash) aswell for some jungle spice, to whom it is preffered.



Personally, I don't see a big benefit of doing STB + Acid Wash over doing A/B Teks though. Might be usefull if you did STB already and find the Extract is very impure or want to use it on large scale as purification of some STB product.


Disclaimer: Neither my friend who explained this to me, nor me is a chemist. So this procedure could probably be done much more efficiently when using different ratios and values. However this "Tek" has not shown to result in any significant loss of product, while removing impurities quite well.


Edited by SpearCaps (02/21/20 06:15 AM)


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: SpearCaps] * 1
    #26501899 - 02/24/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)



Just an update, I've harvested 1.5g so far.  There are at least a couple more pulls left in it for sure.  Hoping to get 3g or more out of it.

Thanks again for the help along the way everyone :peace:


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: Psicomb] * 1
    #26502109 - 02/24/20 06:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

natureboy comes through again! I usually get about that, sometimes 2.0!


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: Big Worm]
    #26508515 - 02/28/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Please tell me in detail how you make the cartridges? Pics also of the other ingredients??? Please??

That looks fucking phenomenal. I can't imagine what sitting on multiple ounces of spice feels like.

I have a gf now who soooo wants to experience it, but I've been having some problems with extracting recently. The naptha would float to top, then there would be this gooey layer, kinda white, then the black mess with the bark and lye beneath that. Is that fats? I use mhrb. Also, sourcing the damned bark is difficult now, as my searches haven't come up with anything. Used to get it off ebay.


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: SizlChest] * 1
    #26508537 - 02/28/20 04:27 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

That’s an emulsion.


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: Amanita86]
    #26510885 - 03/01/20 07:06 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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That’s an emulsion.





Indeed.


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: SizlChest]
    #26511603 - 03/01/20 03:33 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Please tell me in detail how you make the cartridges? Pics also of the other ingredients??? Please??

That looks fucking phenomenal. I can't imagine what sitting on multiple ounces of spice feels like.

I have a gf now who soooo wants to experience it, but I've been having some problems with extracting recently. The naptha would float to top, then there would be this gooey layer, kinda white, then the black mess with the bark and lye beneath that. Is that fats? I use mhrb. Also, sourcing the damned bark is difficult now, as my searches haven't come up with anything. Used to get it off ebay.




The bark and lye beneath the naptha is a big mixture of things, not just the fats.

According to what Ive heard recently, you can wash the fats out using Naptha BEFORE you add the Lye, which converts the DMT to its freebase. NP solvents seem to be good dissolvers of fat molecules :strokebeard:


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26529717 - 03/11/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)


Just a little more DMT porn.  This was from a different powdered batch of mhrb so I adjusted the water accordingly as suggested in Natureboys tek and it worked out great with a ~1.25% yield so far with one last pull to harvest in the morning.


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: Psicomb] * 1
    #26529912 - 03/11/20 08:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Fuck yes! I think I told you natureboy was a good one. The one and only I've ever used. YAY!


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26530723 - 03/12/20 10:40 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You definitely did push for going the Natureboy route and I'm glad you did


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