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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: Psicomb] * 1
    #26491982 - 02/18/20 03:35 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Natureboy tek, 1st pull. 100g of mhrb, and I followed the tek exactly. I let my stuff go a few days though before doing a 1st pull. I've gotten 7 pulls from 100g of bark and 2.2g from it too.



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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 2
    #26492019 - 02/18/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Ya my spice always comes out orange at first.  Ive come to learn I process it differently then most people and I run about a half ki per run.      If I want white/clear crystals, I'll clean up with heptane after.   

My homie does an AB on ACRB and his comes out white off the jump.  I do STB with MHRB and use heat, and can process a half ki every 8 hours.  I was taught this way and have just stuck with it.


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: Big Worm] * 1
    #26492894 - 02/19/20 06:49 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)


Guys, I got dmt :aweyeah: thanks a lot for the help so far. 

Letting the jars dry now upside down, using a cooling rack to allow airflow underneath the jars.  I dumped the naphtha back into the main jars with the basified bark and am gonna give them a couple heat baths and some gentle swirls and then pull again in 24 hours


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: Psicomb]
    #26492921 - 02/19/20 07:17 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Have fun, dude!

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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: Psicomb]
    #26493041 - 02/19/20 08:44 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Look how white that is! :thumbup::heart::thumbup: I pull using a half pint jar with a lid so my freezer/food don't absorb ANY vapors.


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26493049 - 02/19/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for the advice TRex.  I have been using wide mouth pints, do you think it matters much? I have half pints too, I just figured pints would be easier for scraping up.

Stunning jar by the way :eek: I really hope to pull something like that eventually.


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: Psicomb]
    #26493055 - 02/19/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I use the amounts listed in NB tek, and only pull 50-75ml to freeze precip. I take my time though. I'll let the soak happen for days. I always have slight yellow to dark yellow pulls because I wait, but I have read many people state they prefer the "full spectrum yellowish/yellow-white to pure white". It could take me month or so for just one 100g batch of mhrb.


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26494222 - 02/19/20 11:17 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I haven't really tried to get naphtha here, because they stopped selling it in stores, and not only that, they added components making it unusable for extraction, so it isn't a "pure" non-polar mixture. I had to use heptane. With the first one I used about 2 cups of bark. I measured out a similar amount of water and attempted to saturate it with sodium hydroxide, putting about 1 cup or 8 ounces in it, then let it sit for at least an hour, but sometimes a day. Then I'd add the non-polar solvent and stir. It's said to act instantly, and heat is supposed to allow more yield in the pull. Then you just have to siphon the solvent layer off, and throw it in a pyrex dish, and let it dissolve. If you air dry it with a fan, DMT should be left over. But, sometimes it isn't. The other option is to, instead, freeze precipitate, which just means throw it in a freezer.
The non-polar solvent evaporates at room temperature in under ten seconds, so putting it in the freezer allows it to build up, affecting crystal formation. If you air dry it, it leaves a thin film that you scrape with a blade, which turns into power or the crystals. From my experience freeze precipitating it leaves blotches of crystal formations.
Sometimes nothing would happen, and leaving the heptane solution in the freezer wouldn't evaporate it, so I'd let it get cloudy then just air dry the rest. It was pretty hit and miss. However, I did get results and the DMT did work. It was DMT, extracted from Mimosa hostilis root bark. However, I only did it that one time so don't have extra repeatable results to back it up.
After evaporating if there's still heptane left over, it can be put back in the main pot the bark and heptane were in for additional pulls. Then again, that was with heptane, and naphtha is probably more effective.


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: Blabble40] * 1
    #26494655 - 02/20/20 08:27 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Ahhh, that's why. You know, pure naptha is sold in art supply stores as well as a paint thinner/remover.

https://www.macconsumercatalog.com/cob_3336030000responsive/product/9380/Naphtha.html


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 1
    #26495750 - 02/20/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Okay, now it's starting to take off.  The naphtha is noticeably more yellow and full of goodies. 


Harvested 0.7g from this pull. 

The yield from the first pull was minimal, no more than 0.1g.  I'm hoping to get at least one more good pull out of this, fingers crossed for even more than that.


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: Psicomb]
    #26495842 - 02/20/20 06:43 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

YES!!


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26496238 - 02/20/20 10:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Nice yields Trex! Damn!

Big Worm, i heard u can clean the crystals by dissolving them in warm Naptha, decanting the top while the fats/oils sink to the bottom. Does this work?


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26496265 - 02/20/20 11:22 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Didn't see anyone mention this but for best freeze precip, set your freezer to its coldest setting. I think I've read someone say you want your freezer cold enough to freeze icecream rock hard. A deep freezer is the best for this because you don't loose all your cold air when you open a chest style freezer. They also generally get colder on their coldest setting than the freezer attached to a fridge and stay colder.

Once you put your pan (covered in saran wrap so no moisture gets in) in the freezer, do not disturb the freezer until you're ready to pour off the solvent. Don't even open the freezer if you can avoid it during this time as the subtle shock can dislodge your goodies and make the pouroff more difficult.

Don't disturb the pan trying to peek. I'd leave them for a full 24 hours if your freezer isn't a super cold one.

Freeze precip is great because you can reuse your solvent.

Defatting the MHRB will help your solvent stay clean through more pulls and result in cleaner precipitation. But def not nec.


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: susurrador]
    #26496268 - 02/20/20 11:26 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

So in a thread in the Chem and Pharma forum, it was discussed that you can defat simply by washing the plant bark with warm Naptha, then discarding the Naptha afterwords.

Has anyone tried this?


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26496274 - 02/20/20 11:42 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Nice yields Trex! Damn!

Big Worm, i heard u can clean the crystals by dissolving them in warm Naptha, decanting the top while the fats/oils sink to the bottom. Does this work?





Ya I personally use heptane instead of naptha.  But yes, mix your spice and solvent , heat , and the fats will sink to the bottom and then you pour off leaving the orange behind and then evap.  I’ve only done it a couple times a couple years ago .  Most people I know prefer the orange.    But I was thinking about cleaning up some of the spice that I have.  I got like 6oz so I might clean up a couple of them.    And grow some crystals just for fun lol

I hardly smoke it.  Maybe once a year.  I get a lot of anxiety thinking about smoking it.  I’ve just gotten so far out there and had some really intense experiences, it’s just a lot.    But with the cartridges I make , you can control your dose well.  And you can also breakthrough with one long draw.  So you can have a lot of control over how deep you want to go.


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: Big Worm]
    #26496275 - 02/20/20 11:44 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Dose control is definitely key. Low dose DMT hits are really nice.

I would like to prefer the orange but the smoke is so damn harsh!

So heptane works just as good as naptha?


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: Big Worm] * 2
    #26496277 - 02/20/20 11:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I usually freeze precip when I have processed about two ki’s.  And get like 25-30g per Pyrex.    There is so much in it , it hasn’t been wanting to stick to the Pyrex after being in the freezer for like 48 hours. So I just evap my naptha all the way down.    Deep freezer too.

While I’m evapping,  crystals start growing all around the Pyrex. 







I know I could process it more efficiently but I’m lazy and stuck in my ways.  And yield 1.5 - 2% so it’s whatever.


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: Big Worm]
    #26496278 - 02/20/20 11:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Whoa thats crazy! Look at that crystalized rim! :eek:

2% yield is pretty much ideal. Nice work :thumbup:


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26496280 - 02/20/20 11:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Dose control is definitely key. Low dose DMT hits are really nice.

I would like to prefer the orange but the smoke is so damn harsh!

So heptane works just as good as naptha?





I’ve never re-x’d with naptha but I’m pretty sure I’ve seen people do it.    I had a good friend show me his process and I haven’t strayed too far from it or experimented with other methods really.

I don’t find it harsh tbh.  I guess it depends how you’re smoking it.  I’ve never liked sandwiching between herb.  Very underwhelming experience.  I prefer to smoke out of machines and cartridges now.  One hit breakthrough.


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Re: Issue with freeze precip for STB tek [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26496282 - 02/20/20 11:54 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Whoa thats crazy! Look at that crystalized rim! :eek:

2% yield is pretty much ideal. Nice work :thumbup:





Lol ya it’s like the rim of the glass of a psychedelic margarita.  :psychsplit:


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