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Re: Surprise!! Coir ONLY is a Complete Bust [Re: cronicr]
    #26495346 - 02/20/20 02:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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They add trich to coir for gardening. It germinates on the plant roots and forms a symbiosis



Oh, okay, like the hydro store stuff is treated, but not the snake bedding.

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coir is about as nutritious for fungi as manure but it's also super salty ( lick some it's gross) which is why spores don't like to germinate on it and it can be used as door mats and it's added to brands for plants to use but doesn't effect us. grain is our nute source plain and simple, bulk is our water our texture and our cheap ingredient.
the original poster was caught with his foot in his mouth when he posted pics with obvious grain spawn in his substrate, people love short cuts and that won't change so growing in uncle Ben's and using a microwave or skipping pasturizing and ommiting shit will always bring a certain appeal to lazy growers.




Thanks, I know it’s been said, but it’s nice to see a definitive answer.
I wish I wasn’t so OCD...cause now I’m gonna HAVE to lick some coir:crazy2:


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Re: Surprise!! Coir ONLY is a Complete Bust [Re: feldman114]
    #26495421 - 02/20/20 03:13 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I wish I wasn’t so OCD...cause now I’m gonna HAVE to lick some coir:crazy2:



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Re: Surprise!! Coir ONLY is a Complete Bust [Re: Tormato]
    #26495503 - 02/20/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Licking the coir is definitely one sure way to finally find out that its not salted at all like everyone's been parroting for the last decade but in fact its sweetened, but wed never even have a clue sbout it until someone unexpectedly put the theories to the test and ate some dirt for the benefit of the community :rofl:
I view this parody scenario as one of those typical forum debunknings things that actually are a vital part of the whole thing.


Its fascinating how much there is still to be observed and documented, questions that are hypothesized daily or at least weekly in MC and testing the specific theories im thinking about right now is almost easier than testing pH level in a glass of water with a stick, and still no one has ever managed to document a side by side to confirm or refute this topic thats so often discussed (Im working on 2-3 different side by sides, and one of them might very well be one of those couple decades parroted but never tested bizarness :lol:


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Re: Surprise!! Coir ONLY is a Complete Bust [Re: Mateja]
    #26495558 - 02/20/20 04:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

as far as I know even the dark brown coir is retted in fresh water with salt added, white coir is retted for up to ten months with salt water. I've tasted it and it's surely not fucking sweet lol.


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Re: Surprise!! Coir ONLY is a Complete Bust [Re: cronicr]
    #26495771 - 02/20/20 06:08 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

as cron and bod said:

the the SPAWN is what supplies the nutrition for the most part, especially in a coir grow. Bulk substrate, especially coir, is primarily there to provide water

keep in mind that cubes are 90% water, which is why you will get better yields off of a bulk sub than the same amount of straight grain. the grain can only hold so much water on its own

not to confuse anyone, but regarding the "manure without spawn" stuff, people in the Pan thread have been having lots of success going from LC to sterilized bulk manure-based substrate in a grow bag. i was surprised to find this out.. but i wouldnt expect the same to work with straight coir, since that would be kinda missing the point of using coir in the first place.

dammit... now im gonna have to taste some coir lol


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Re: Surprise!! Coir ONLY is a Complete Bust [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26495774 - 02/20/20 06:10 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Given how many shrooms and the size of what can grow off a single piece of grain or a thimble of substrate or the residue inside a grain jar i wouldn't really be surprised if even still the LC itself had a lot to do with the performance of those grows.


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Re: Surprise!! Coir ONLY is a Complete Bust [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26495775 - 02/20/20 06:12 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

great point


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Re: Surprise!! Coir ONLY is a Complete Bust [Re: c10h12n2o] * 1
    #26495793 - 02/20/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

pans don't need a lot of nutrition to start with , teeny little mushrooms and low bio efficiency, most manure used is from grain fed animals anyway


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Re: Surprise!! Coir ONLY is a Complete Bust [Re: cronicr]
    #26495846 - 02/20/20 06:43 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

definitely. frustratingly low.... 

thats why i was hesitant to even mention it, i just thought it was interesting to see people doing pans that way with good success.

in any case, im still using grainspawn for my pan projects


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Re: Surprise!! Coir ONLY is a Complete Bust [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26495880 - 02/20/20 07:00 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I've done pans on jars based on grain/straw/manure. That's not new. Just used screw on pp5 containers. Found some pictures of some Pan I did on my camera I forgot about but can't find the damn upload cable.


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Re: Surprise!! Coir ONLY is a Complete Bust [Re: Sockadin]
    #26495924 - 02/20/20 07:29 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

That's not what I was referring to

I meant the pan grows where people dont use grains at all, and inoculate bags of manure substrate directly with an LC


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