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BANANA.MAN
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: qman]
#26495337 - 02/20/20 02:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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could afford to pay a kid $1000 to shovel snow or rake leaves. its not about what you can afford its about what the labour costs. and the cost of labour is set by the market.
if its paid sick days and maternity leave it has a value. all benefits have a value. it is still a cost to the employer. if you have a 70 000 salary or a 65 000 salary and 5000 in benefits its the same cost to the employer and the same benefit to the employee. It is totally dishonest to exclude benefits
If you want to argue this point you would also have to explain why disposable income or consumption percapita has also increased dramatically since the 70s.
Lol!!! You’re the one who said “if they weren’t paying for sick days, they’d be able to pay employees more”.
And once again - Read The Thread! Labor hasn’t been a free market for decades, dude. The market does NOT decide the cost of labor. The fact that minimum wage is not a livable wage is abhorrent....all things previously discussed here...read back before Poasting more disproven rhetoric....
If you earn 60k/year and get 4 weeks paid vacation time, your income is still 60k. In economics, these terms have precise definitions, but you refuse to even read the ones I linked to...very close minded of you.
what i mean is it they werent compensated by benefits they would be compensated completely in cash.
The market does decide the cost of labour. and people interfere with that by implementing a minimum wage for example which causes problems. in general, pay is determined by demand for the work and supply of workers.
switzerland has no minimim wage and it has among the hughest average wages in the world.
I was talking about hourly wages. I fucked up by saying salary. my appologies.
If you make $20 for every hour of work but you are also paid for a certain amount of days where you are sick or on vacation you ate being paid for more than just the hours you work.
for example at my work I make an hourly wage which I will not disclose and I'm also paid in lieu of benefits and vacation days. thats on top of my hourly wage. so my hourly wage is not my compensation.
Yes, if you have a very prosperous economy with a tight labor market, wages NATURALLY move higher. Obviously, there's no need or desire for a minimum wage. The prosperity in Switzerland isn't because of the lack of a minimum wage. 
I didmt say it was because of the lack of minimum wage. But clearly youbdont need a minimum wage.
and minimum wages cause problems. raise the minimum wage to 20 an hour and no small companies are going to be able to afford to outcompete bezos giving him a monopoly and unskilled workers wont be able to get a job because they cant produce 20 an hour.
Q man you cant draw arbitrary lines in the sand and ignore all the things moving accross those lines. the people in the groups (and even moreso those people's children) are moving all over the place in between those groups. I'm not interested in disctssing data thats been framed in such a specific way rather than looking at the whole population. its manipulation.
you are using it to show that the people on top keep getting richer while everyone else stays roughly the same. thats what you are trying to express. yet your data doesnt show us that because it doesnt track the people who belong to those groups and their ups and downs.
Again, it doesnt matter if the growth is distributed equally. Thats what ive been saying this whole time. its not some huge revelation that different people grow at different rates. if you would acctually pay attention to me you would know that. income inequality in and of its self does not matter at all.
yeah the things that do cost more are regulated. the reason the prices of all the other consumer goods we have dropped is because of competition in an open market.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador]
#26495345 - 02/20/20 02:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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You don't need the device you're communicating on right now.
Ummm, yes I do, it's for work, lol!
Otherwise you're suggesting that some people are to be held to different standards than other people.
Ummm, yeah, I have said it, and I'll say it again. Ultra rich should be held accountable and responsible for the very poor and needy in this world, because they have the resources to do something about it mostly, period. It's a simple moral accountability issue.
Isn't equality a good thing in your eyes?
OMFG! Don't, just don't do that.
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susurrador
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26495353 - 02/20/20 02:44 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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tyrannicalrex said: Puh leeze! I know it's a never ending justification of BS for BS by both sides, but the basics are that no one, and I mean no fucking person ever, needs a fucking solid gold toilet seat! You know this!It's that reasoning and justification and psych game played that got corps considered a human entity and so on.
But who are you to decide what anyone else needs? And who are they to decide what you need? The most efficient way to decide what everyone needs is to allow each person to decide that for themselves. It doesn't matter if we're talking about gold or jets or cell phones or healthcare or food or love or anything.
I sure don't want people telling me I don't need to smoke so much weed or that I should eat fewer rib eye steaks. Especially if I'm willing to put in the work and thought to earn those things.
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feldman114
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26495370 - 02/20/20 02:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Haha same. Work would be hell if not for the Shroomery 
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tyrannicalrex
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador]
#26495374 - 02/20/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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tyrannicalrex said: Puh leeze! I know it's a never ending justification of BS for BS by both sides, but the basics are that no one, and I mean no fucking person ever, needs a fucking solid gold toilet seat! You know this!It's that reasoning and justification and psych game played that got corps considered a human entity and so on.
But who are you to decide what anyone else needs? And who are they to decide what you need?
AHH! But THEY do decide what I need, hence a "minimum wage" at what THEY think is the worth of the "menial task" at hand. SO it's OK for them to decide certain things, but not other people? People with less.
The most efficient way to decide what everyone needs is to allow each person to decide that for themselves. It doesn't matter if we're talking about gold or jets or cell phones or healthcare or food or love or anything.
I sure don't want people telling me I don't need to smoke so much weed or that I should eat fewer rib eye steaks.
Ummm, docs already say you shouldn't, lol.
Especially if I'm willing to put in the work and thought to earn those things.
You're just reaching now, but yeah, that'ts the way capitalism and the world works unfortunately. I'm so glad I will not have to work a part time job in retirement, hopefully anyway.
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susurrador
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26495462 - 02/20/20 03:28 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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It is up to you to decide what you need and either act or don't act on your decisions.
But you can't just decide you don't want to work that hard AND don't want to have to worry about retirement. Because then you'll have to take what isn't yours to make that happen because chances are the math won't add up.
If we all decided we deserved more than we are able or willing to produce... shit would collapse instantly because we can't all have more than we produce if resources are limited- which they are.
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Tripsurfer
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: qman]
#26495470 - 02/20/20 03:32 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Because he can 
I dont know about where you live, but where I live the most expensive baker does the best business
Not raising prices when people have more to spend is bad business
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feldman114
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: Tripsurfer]
#26495476 - 02/20/20 03:36 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Tripsurfer said: Because he can 
I dont know about where you live, but where I live the most expensive baker does the best business
Not raising prices when people have more to spend is bad business
Sounds like you’re asking him to explain how competition works
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Tripsurfer
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: feldman114]
#26495488 - 02/20/20 03:39 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Being the cheapest isnt always the best option business wise, especially when dealing with people who have actual money to spend
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: Tripsurfer] 2
#26495492 - 02/20/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pay yer damn taxes jeff
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: twighead]
#26497214 - 02/21/20 03:42 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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During the debate Bloomberg claimed “I worked hard”.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: TheFakeSunRa] 1
#26519980 - 03/06/20 04:42 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#26519988 - 03/06/20 04:51 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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What about that article is surprising. If you've ever managed a warehouse you would understand how shit anyone who even applies for that job is at working. Its like finding a needle in a haystack to get a good warehouse employee. Anyone good gets a better job by the time they're out of highschool
We're talking about people that made it to 30 that can't reliably set an alarm clock. Come to work dressed like hookers or amateur rappers, come to work hungover, etc..
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: bodhisatta]
#26519989 - 03/06/20 04:53 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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You couldn’t do it.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: TheFakeSunRa] 1
#26519990 - 03/06/20 04:53 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I could work circles around them. All day.
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TheFakeSunRa
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: bodhisatta]
#26519999 - 03/06/20 05:14 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lasting for more than a year as an Amazon warehouse employee is notoriously difficult. Some workers walk up to 15 miles a shift, while others pack hundreds of boxes an hour—moving in repetitive, forceful positions that lead to frequent—and sometimes lifelong— injuries to shoulders, necks, backs, wrists and knees. Worse yet, Amazon is known to track and fire workers for lack of “efficiency.”
I love the way you’re defending this. Exposes capitalism for what it really is.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#26520096 - 03/06/20 07:08 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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TheFakeSunRa said: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/pkexdb/amazon-warehouse-workers-are-abandoning-their-jobs-in-droves
Amazon Warehouse Workers Are Abandoning Their Jobs in Droves
Fuck Bezos
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MotherFUCK Amazon. Fuck all those bullshit slave labor, slave wage nonsense goddamn sandpit fuck stations...!
Not in my America goddamnit!
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#26520112 - 03/06/20 07:19 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lasting for more than a year as an Amazon warehouse employee is notoriously difficult. Some workers walk up to 15 miles a shift, while others pack hundreds of boxes an hour—moving in repetitive, forceful positions that lead to frequent—and sometimes lifelong— injuries to shoulders, necks, backs, wrists and knees. Worse yet, Amazon is known to track and fire workers for lack of “efficiency.”
I love the way you’re defending this. Exposes capitalism for what it really is.
No shortage of people who can't handle it. No shortage of complainers either.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: bodhisatta]
#26520114 - 03/06/20 07:22 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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There's an enormous Amazon warehouse in Kenosha Wisconsin like 25m down the freeway from me. Going 75mph it takes like 30 seconds to pass the entire building.
Ive got old heroin addict "friends" from highschool that did UPS/fedex then ended up going hard addict mode. some died. Some got their shit together now a few work at Amazon and they can handle it and say half of everyone there is a fucking joke.
It's a place where lanky decrepit addicts work circles around most people they hire.
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larry.fisherman
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: bodhisatta]
#26520117 - 03/06/20 07:23 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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15 miles for a shift is basically a slow walk. Hard labour be like that. I'd love to see those people's reaction to roofing or in a stone quarry doing flag or guillotine. Concrete
Edited by larry.fisherman (03/06/20 07:25 AM)
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