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Lots of moisture on my shoebox lid, too wet?
#26495130 - 02/20/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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So I spawned 1 quart of crumbled BRF cakes with 2 quarts of coir two days ago. My coir was slightly more dry than I would like it to be, so I gave the surface a very generous misting before putting on the lid. The following day a lot of droplets had gathered on my lid, so being the first day after spawning I figured it would be okay to remove the lid and wipe it off.
Now on the second day I'm seeing new moisture hanging on my lid. I know some moisture is normal, but just wanted to hear with you guys if you think my mix is overly wet or needs more FAE. Should I just leave the lid on and let it chill?
My jars were given a week of consolidation after being fully colonized if that's relevant
Photo taken after taking lid off the first day. Surface seemed a little moist and fluffy.

Second day.

Edited by 6hourdrive (02/20/20 12:54 PM)
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Re: Lots of moisture on my shoebox lid, too wet? [Re: 6hourdrive]
#26495281 - 02/20/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've had my shoeboxes literally dripping from the lid before, it's fine.
Probably just a big difference between temp inside and outside the box.
dab up if too much pools on surface
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Re: Lots of moisture on my shoebox lid, too wet? [Re: Zachsonpub]
#26496666 - 02/21/20 09:03 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Alright man, good to hear. Thank you!
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Re: Lots of moisture on my shoebox lid, too wet? [Re: 6hourdrive]
#26496740 - 02/21/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Leave the colonizing substrates alone it will do absolutely nothing at all the first couple of weeks and the organidm never requires FAE during the colonizing proceds wether in petri dishes, brf cakes, grain jars, or bulk substrates, none of thede stages of development require snything else except gas exchange, every substrate starts tp prpduce fruits when it has colonized the substrate fully, thats what initiates fruiting stage. Droplets on the inside of of your tub is that which helps to creates desired conditions for healthy surface conditions.
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Re: Lots of moisture on my shoebox lid, too wet? [Re: Mateja]
#26496781 - 02/21/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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What an unfortunate lid shape. It’s gonna be dripping constantly.
You can just leave them, but when I have tiny pools of water on my sub, I like to ever-so-gently soak them up with a paper towel.
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Re: Lots of moisture on my shoebox lid, too wet? [Re: feldman114]
#26499530 - 02/23/20 08:10 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks for your replies. I came to realize the lid shape was a little dumb too, but the angles aren't too steep so the droplets seems to be gathering all around the lid anyway.
It has been 5 days since I spawned now, and I'm seeing a few tiny pools of water on my substrate, as well as a lot of droplets/moisture sticking to coir straws.
Can I have some people chime in on whether to leave it be or dab the water/let in some fresh air. A little conflicted right now as I would rather leave it alone, but don't want my sub drowning either. Also conflicted on how colonized my shoebox actually is, am I going by the surface or the sides?



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Re: Lots of moisture on my shoebox lid, too wet? [Re: 6hourdrive]
#26499539 - 02/23/20 08:14 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't 100 percent agree with monkeyjesusfresco. Your tub looks ready for FAE and fruiting. Flip the lid and have fun!
Edited by Sockadin (02/23/20 08:15 AM)
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Re: Lots of moisture on my shoebox lid, too wet? [Re: Sockadin]
#26499560 - 02/23/20 08:33 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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If you aren't already giving it some air, nows the time.
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Re: Lots of moisture on my shoebox lid, too wet? [Re: Mateja]
#26499566 - 02/23/20 08:37 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mateah said: Leave the colonizing substrates alone it will do absolutely nothing at all the first couple of weeks and the organidm never requires FAE during the colonizing proceds wether in petri dishes, brf cakes, grain jars, or bulk substrates, none of thede stages of development require snything else except gas exchange, every substrate starts tp prpduce fruits when it has colonized the substrate fully, thats what initiates fruiting stage. Droplets on the inside of of your tub is that which helps to creates desired conditions for healthy surface conditions.
I have to disagree, I keep my tubs in "fruiting conditions" through colonization and in to fruiting. They colonize faster and give heavier flushes imo. The whole thought of keeping colonizing subs sealed up is old information.
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All these projects were introduced to fruiting conditions right after they were spawned. Just trying to help out.
Edited by Dr.Dank (02/23/20 08:40 AM)
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Re: Lots of moisture on my shoebox lid, too wet? [Re: Dr.Dank]
#26499675 - 02/23/20 10:10 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I agree that it is old information, I think the original idea was to allow full colonization of the sub to prevent contamination, but the new consensus is that coir subs are pretty hardy, and if you are getting contaminated subs because of air exchange before fruiting it is bad spawn and not coir picking up contaminates.
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Re: Lots of moisture on my shoebox lid, too wet? [Re: Sockadin]
#26499691 - 02/23/20 10:17 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Flip that lid! FAE for the win!
Also, no more misting, it needs to dry out a bit for the magic to happen. Read up on, hyphal knots and pin formation. There is a ton to learn about growing and its all on here. Just make sure you are reading current TEK methods not something from 2007. Lots of things have changed.
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Re: Lots of moisture on my shoebox lid, too wet? [Re: Sockadin]
#26499701 - 02/23/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: I agree that it is old information, I think the original idea was to allow full colonization of the sub to prevent contamination.
You guys are missing the point meteah was making.
Either fruit at spawning or 100% then fruit? doesnt matter. The substrate wont pin until 100% colonized anyway. Nothing to do with contamination prevention.
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but the new consensus is that coir subs are pretty hardy, and if you are getting contaminated subs because of air exchange before fruiting it is bad spawn and not coir picking up contaminates
Any fuly colonized sub is hearty on it's own. Bad spawn will fuck a tub but it has zero to do with fae.
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Re: Lots of moisture on my shoebox lid, too wet? [Re: mushboy]
#26499713 - 02/23/20 10:31 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Also most non-latching shoeboxes allow enough air exchange to not necessitate any lid adjustment... unless your fruits start pushing up into it.
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Re: Lots of moisture on my shoebox lid, too wet? [Re: footpath]
#26499719 - 02/23/20 10:35 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'd argue almost all tubs give adequate fae through the lid(for cubes)
People be actin like there tubs are airtight inside a plastic box
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Re: Lots of moisture on my shoebox lid, too wet? [Re: Sockadin]
#26499731 - 02/23/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: I don't 100 percent agree with monkeyjesusfresco. Your tub looks ready for FAE and fruiting. Flip the lid and have fun!
I remember monkeyjesusfresco, good man.
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Re: Lots of moisture on my shoebox lid, too wet? [Re: mushboy]
#26499781 - 02/23/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mushboy said: I'd argue almost all tubs give adequate fae through the lid(for cubes)
People be actin like there tubs are airtight inside a plastic box
I’m right there with you on that, bud. Unless it’s those gasket seal lids then your shit is breathing.
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Re: Lots of moisture on my shoebox lid, too wet? [Re: mushboy]
#26499807 - 02/23/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
mushboy said:
Quote:
Sockadin said: I agree that it is old information, I think the original idea was to allow full colonization of the sub to prevent contamination.
You guys are missing the point meteah was making.
Either fruit at spawning or 100% then fruit? doesnt matter. The substrate wont pin until 100% colonized anyway. Nothing to do with contamination prevention.
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but the new consensus is that coir subs are pretty hardy, and if you are getting contaminated subs because of air exchange before fruiting it is bad spawn and not coir picking up contaminates
Any fuly colonized sub is hearty on it's own. Bad spawn will fuck a tub but it has zero to do with fae.
I agree, but the old line of thinking was to keep your sub sealed and not to allow air because it can introduce contamination of the uncolonized CVG, my point was that it will not. If you get a contamination in your sub while colonizing it is bad spawn so why wait..
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Re: Lots of moisture on my shoebox lid, too wet? [Re: Sockadin]
#26499813 - 02/23/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Agreed. But most people did the ol' tape up the holes because they thought it helps build pinsets(something about co2)
Keeping air out for contamination prevention is just noob shit
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Re: Lots of moisture on my shoebox lid, too wet? [Re: mushboy]
#26499982 - 02/23/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oh yeah totally, so is "CO2 is a pinning trigger." Lol
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Re: Lots of moisture on my shoebox lid, too wet? [Re: Sockadin]
#26500004 - 02/23/20 02:23 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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uh how does the mycelium know that is has to colonize the entire substrate before fruiting? That doesnt make much sense to me that it wouldnt fruit unless it colonized the entire substrate
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