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    #26494821 - 02/20/20 10:07 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

When hunting large compost piles, don't just start climbing all over it looking for mushrooms or you will do substantial damage.

Never do this:

You can see where someone decided to walk directly on the slope of this pile where Panaeolus cyanescens and Psilocybe cubensis had just started to fruit, but whomever did this trampled the pins and exposed large chunks of mycelium.


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When hunting an area like this, stay in the natural valleys or existing paths, the paths will be your best bet for finding fruit because other people have been there before you started coming around have already found stuff along said paths or made paths to those areas because of fruit being found,  but don't go trampling willy nilly or you'll ruin it for us all.

There are some of you here that come to this place,  I know this firsthand,  so let's respect it and not ruin a good thing,  especially by sharing it with others.

If, you are smart enough to figure out the location or already have,  same goes to you, take care not to destroy the habitat,  it's bad enough when they turn over the piles and we have to wait for new growth (2 months on average).

I know why they walked on that particular slope, it's muddy on the ground,  but they could have approached from the other side and not tore everything up.  Wear proper boots when hunting,  not shoes, it makes a difference. There's no excuse for all the other places that they trampled.

Something else everyone whom comes here needs to be aware of and I am not bullshit'in no one either, this place has Trail cameras placed around the property due to recent thefts and other nefarious activities.  I have even found safes out here that have been dumped. So, you have been warned!!!.

Let's please respect the habitat,  if your that desperate to get high then you might want to see someone about that, no need to murder mushrooms.


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Re: please don't do this [Re: Doc9151] * 1
    #26495383 - 02/20/20 02:55 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Good advice. But could it possibly have been a badger or something similar, looking for food?


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Re: please don't do this [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26495441 - 02/20/20 03:21 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Or it could of been somebody going on a bush walk and likes to trample over mounds? Would be silly if an actual mushroom hunter did that...


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Re: please don't do this [Re: Blazer420]
    #26495509 - 02/20/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Could have been a kid playing around or something too


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Re: please don't do this [Re: bloodycarcass]
    #26495614 - 02/20/20 04:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

no kids, badgers or the like, these are adult sized foot prints. I have been studying this property for years and this didn't start until the past couple months.  Definitely mushroom hunters, who else pulls mushrooms and lays them out? whomever it is has about a u.s. size 10-12 foot. I have ran into a couple shroomery members there, whether they have shared with their friends or not I don't know,  but I wanted to let anyone interested know that it's not necessary. This is a place l visit daily and know all the employees, I can tell when someone is there to get compost for their garden,  walking their dog or looking for mushrooms. Deer will lay on the pile in winter to keep warm but it's obvious where they go. This is someone careless and unprepared, not thinking about what they are doing to the habitat.


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Re: please don't do this [Re: Doc9151] * 1
    #26495652 - 02/20/20 05:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)



Sorry I'm drunk.


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Re: please don't do this [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26496423 - 02/21/20 04:35 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Sorry I'm drunk.




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Re: please don't do this [Re: Doc9151]
    #26497592 - 02/21/20 07:33 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Panaeolus cyanescens and Psilocybe cubensis had just started to fruit




Im confused, shouldn't wood lover mushrooms like Ps cyanescens be growing on the wood chip pile? Is cubenis really going to grow off that?

Or does Cubenis and Pan cyans grow on wood chips in this timeline parallel dimension :strokebeard:


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Re: please don't do this [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26497604 - 02/21/20 07:39 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

it is enriched with horse manure and they love it!!!! Panaeolus cyanescens as well.


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Re: please don't do this [Re: Doc9151]
    #26497608 - 02/21/20 07:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

WHOA!

My mind is officially blown :mindblown:


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Re: please don't do this [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26497612 - 02/21/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

edited my pictures by adding more


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Re: please don't do this [Re: Doc9151]
    #26497620 - 02/21/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

That's SO COOL.

Is it manure covered in woodchips? Or is it all mixed together?


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Re: please don't do this [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #26497668 - 02/21/20 08:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

It's from the stalls, so it's all mixed up with horse shit, piss, hay, feed, a hodgepodge of mushroom goodness. I have been observing the process intensely for the past 3-4 years, from the time the stalls are cleaned and the compost is brought to the final spot, until it's finally hauled off by local gardeners. 

When the materials are first dumped, the odor of ammonia is strong, but believe it or not,  Panaeolus species will start to show up, beginning with Panaeolus antillarum. Deconica coprophila is pretty close to the antillarum fruiting and then the Panaeolus papillionaceus. This is within 2-3 days after being dumped, up to a month, grass is the only other growth at this point.


Approximately 6wks after being dumped the ammonia smell is gone, the wood chips are no longer flaky , but becoming matted.  Panaeolus cyanescens start showing up after 8wks (depending upon temperatures).

Remember, compost generates a ton of heat, temperatures of 180°f have been recorded in this pile during the heat of summer and it will affect fruiting. Small amounts like that with the juicy fruit gum will usually last for about 6 months to year the die, producing approximately 6-8 nice flushes if properly maintained.

8-10wks after being dumped the compost is perfect for cubensis and Panaeolus, but the Panaeolus cyanescens are only early spring, winter and late fall.  Temperatures in the 40'-50' are perfect for cyanescens because of the heat generated by the pile.

From this point on the big piles, cubensis will fruit around the base and in the foot path valley's,  occasionally on the slope but even then there's no need for trampling around.

This biggest problem with places like this is that the people in charge of the property are very much aware of what happens around there. Law enforcement is regularly parked on the property watching everything that comes in and out,  I know for a fact that cameras are set up around the pile and other places on the property because they have borrowed my trail cameras when they want to cover several different areas. I really hope that no one thinks that I am bullshit'in because it's the honest truth.

Anyway. the piles are usually turned over a few times a year, it was just done about a week or 10 days ago so it will be very bare there. I am there every single day, rain or shine, it's a huge area of mixed woods and makes for a great walk and lots of other mushrooms to look at.

If, you want to cultivate an outdoor bed, this is excellent material,  but I would supplement with extra poo, I do.


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Re: please don't do this [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26497679 - 02/21/20 08:31 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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That's SO COOL.

Is it manure covered in woodchips? Or is it all mixed together?




Cubes have been found on wood chip paths in GA, possibly in the absence of manure - or at least not an enriched compost pile like that with tons of manure mixed in. Cubes are very adaptable.


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Re: please don't do this [Re: breeg89] * 1
    #26497720 - 02/21/20 08:55 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

That would be something worth looking into if someone finds it again. I have only seen cubensis in manure directly, stall compost and soil that has had a lot of manure on it or where one of the huge compost piles once sat. I still find an occasional cube in soil where a big pile sat 3 yrs ago, but they all have manure in common.

The way cubensis grows on coco coir, it surprises me that it doesn't colonize a wide variety of habitats. I mean  where in the world did they come from?

If, we are to take the Latin name literally it implies that they originate in Cuba, but if cubensis is only associated with horse and cow manure, how did Psilocybe cubensis get to cuba, unless they came with Columbus because horses and cows came to the new world with him?


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Re: please don't do this [Re: Doc9151] * 1
    #26497756 - 02/21/20 09:33 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

They've been found on wood chips without obvious manure a couple of times. Here are some threads with some good pics of the habitat and substrate.

Texas: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8817163

and page 15 from the 2019 GA actives thread: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25885369/page/1/fpart/15/vc/1#25885369

Even if there's some trace manure laced in the chips/soil, it looks like the bulk substrate they're eating is wood. Pretty crazy.

Yeah, I think they were originally found in Cuba, but no clue where they originated. I like your Columbus hypothesis though. Maybe he did do something good for the new world after all. Have cubes been found in Europe though?


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Re: please don't do this [Re: breeg89]
    #26497888 - 02/22/20 01:23 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Very interesting. I had no idea cubes were so adaptable. I may have to try this during the summer this year. Theres a lot of wood chips around here.....


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Re: please don't do this [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26498190 - 02/22/20 09:19 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I had no idea cubes were so adaptable.




I'm guessing the wood chips hold a good amount of water that helps with the humidity.
Also, consider the various types of substrate that can be used for cultivation.


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Re: please don't do this [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26498298 - 02/22/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I agree with Cham in the GA actives thread the woodshavings in the picture looks like they could have come from a farm compost pile or something, but like I said somewhere else on here, cubensis is supposed to originate in cuba, but are only associated with large herbivores and Cuba didn't have any large herbivores until Columbus brought cows and horses to the island. I think it is more likely that Cubensis originated in Asia, is coprophilic but occasionally it might find the necessary nutrients to grow a single fruit or two before disappearing from a dungless substrate, but what do I know,  anythingis possibleI guess, they do grow well on plain coco coir.


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Re: please don't do this [Re: Doc9151]
    #26498311 - 02/22/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Ah, right Columbus bringing spores from Asia, not Europe. I'm an idiot. That makes a lot more sense.


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Re: please don't do this [Re: Doc9151]
    #26498341 - 02/22/20 11:34 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I think it is more likely that Cubensis originated in Asia




I agree on this point. It apparently has a special affinity for Bos indicus - the so-called Zebu cattle, and
has most likely followed suit when it spread to Africa and later South America.


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Re: please don't do this [Re: Anglerfish] * 1
    #26498397 - 02/22/20 12:27 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Damn Doc, you're really making me wanna visit my friend in FL right now...GEEZE


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Re: please don't do this [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26498449 - 02/22/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Panaeolus cyanescens and Psilocybe cubensis had just started to fruit




Im confused, shouldn't wood lover mushrooms like Ps cyanescens be growing on the wood chip pile? Is cubenis really going to grow off that?

Or does Cubenis and Pan cyans grow on wood chips in this timeline parallel dimension :strokebeard:



Legend has it Lizard King found P Cubes growing on woodchip enriched manure in an old horse barn in Mexico.


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Re: please don't do this [Re: breeg89]
    #26498453 - 02/22/20 01:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Ah, right Columbus bringing spores from Asia, not Europe. I'm an idiot. That makes a lot more sense.



I'm pretty sure P cubes were here long before humans. There is a time when p cubes probably started on Dino shit.


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Re: please don't do this [Re: Sockadin]
    #26498467 - 02/22/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Damn. We are taking it waaaay back.

Perhaps in the distant past, cubes were a wood lover :strokebeard:


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Re: please don't do this [Re: Frank Zappotecorum]
    #26498506 - 02/22/20 01:32 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

you're not an idiot, don't say that!!!

I would think that maybe some of the cattle or horses could have been from Asia carrying spores in there gut. I believe that he departed Portugal, never going to Asia, but like I said, the animals could have been Asian.


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