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OfflineTokeItUp12
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Committed Dose
    #26490907 - 02/17/20 10:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I'm assuming some of you have listened to Terrence McKenna's talk, "Committed Dose", where he discusses what he believes is a proper psilocybin dose as well as proper dosing practices. For those who haven't heard it, it's very fascinating and you should give it a listen. For those who have heard it, what's your take? What do you believe is a committed dose? Do you follow any of his dosing practice recommendations?

I'm very fascinated by this talk and especially the parts where he discusses being afraid of a dose and dosing alone. I have found that dosing with friends does alter the experience and makes it less personal and more recreational. And I am getting ready for my first dose that I am afraid of but this talk has given me confidence.

The part I got hung up on though was that he does not recomend any audio stimulation such as music. I enjoy tripping in the dark and with an eye mask but I'm afraid to trip with no audio stimulation. I usually add subtle music in the background such as lofi or chill ambient music but I'm afraid of auditory hallucinations or my mind getting stuck in an unpleasant loop without music. Plus, I enjoy the stimulation music adds: I feel like music can help facilitate CEV's and transcendtal experiences.

What is your take?


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Re: Committed Dose [Re: TokeItUp12]
    #26490995 - 02/18/20 12:44 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Sounds like you're not committed.


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Re: Committed Dose [Re: TokeItUp12] * 1
    #26491134 - 02/18/20 04:19 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Uhhhhh im not sure what is happening in the post right above mine

Anyway, taking the dose is always a little frightening/anxiety inducing.

And I like to listen to music too but usually, at some point during the trip, I just want to take my headphones off and be.

Your ego may fight and do everything to not take the dose. I suggest getting your set and setting right, take the dose and let the rest fall into place.


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Re: Committed Dose [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26491166 - 02/18/20 05:12 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I'll look up McKenna's article this morning, thanks!

What dose are you afraid of?


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Re: Committed Dose [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26491206 - 02/18/20 06:09 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Socrateshroom said:
Uhhhhh im not sure what is happening in the post right above mine

Anyway, taking the dose is always a little frightening/anxiety inducing.

And I like to listen to music too but usually, at some point during the trip, I just want to take my headphones off and be.

Your ego may fight and do everything to not take the dose. I suggest getting your set and setting right, take the dose and let the rest fall into place.





Ain't that the truth:lol:

OP -
I beleive a committed dose is a gram or two over your "comfortable" dose. This could be different for everyone. But I think we all have that dose we don't take because it sounds too much, so we stick within these guide lines of 4g or so (guilty).

I too, don't really like silence but it's because I love music so much and while tripping its literally bliss coming out of my headphones. Though, as said in a post above.. there does come a time where I feel the need to remove the headphones and just be. Nothing's forced.. honestly just follow your intentions.

If you wanna do it, do it. If you're content - stick with it! Last trip I had l, ended up getting out of my bed, lay on the floor and put my legs up on my bed.. my body was like L - and I had zero acknowledgement of why I wanted to do that, but when I did my feel good vibes went nuts.

Its was such a comfortable position, though I looked weird as fuck. But I listened to my inner gut and followed what I wanted to do!


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Re: Committed Dose [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26491283 - 02/18/20 07:29 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

There's no right or wrong, I think the whole committed dose idea is a logical fallacy. There are different levels of experience, that is all. With or without music is totally optional. With or without anything is totally optional. You are at the helm

A few weeks ago I had a trip where I was unable to operate any technology, it was literally impossible to turn music on for quite a while. Last week I had a low dose trip and all I did was watch films, listen to tunes and talk quietly with my SO.

Both of these experiences were significantly different. One was slightly traumatic, the other was comforting and elevating. But there is value to be had in both of these experiences, and value in the the spectrum between and beyond them. There isn't a goal to aim for, there isn't a target to achieve, there is no path to follow. Just you to steer where you want to go.

I'm not a fan of McKenna, I understand some of his insights but generally I find him unappealing. So many rules and definitions and sets about how things should and should not be. That's just doesn't ring true for me at all. It's a very personal journey, every prophet is a false prophet.


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Re: Committed Dose [Re: Northerner]
    #26491295 - 02/18/20 07:35 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm not a fan of McKenna, I understand some of his insights but generally I find him unappealing.
So many rules and definitions and sets about how things should and should not be. That's just doesn't ring true for me at all.
It's a very personal journey, every prophet is a false prophet.





Absolutely right.  :thumbup:
Everybody should do his own thing and find out what's right for himself. Everybody is individually different.

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Re: Committed Dose [Re: TokeItUp12]
    #26491323 - 02/18/20 07:58 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I have realized once the trip gets going it doesn't seem quiet.


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Re: Committed Dose [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26491343 - 02/18/20 08:19 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Pandemoon said:
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Northerner said:
I'm not a fan of McKenna, I understand some of his insights but generally I find him unappealing.
So many rules and definitions and sets about how things should and should not be. That's just doesn't ring true for me at all.
It's a very personal journey, every prophet is a false prophet.





Absolutely right.  :thumbup:
Everybody should do his own thing and find out what's right for himself. Everybody is individually different.

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I'll resound this, too.
I've always found his (and other psychedelics "pioneering" westerners) views to be so distastefully sensationalized in his own experience and interpretation that, having read/watched some of his content after doing my own extensive exploration, I pretty much write it off as kookery.
I've gone through a couple shaman-led ayahuasca ceremonies and found the very same to be true of them.
There's a very charlatanistic air about anyone who claims to have special knowledge of these things, as if the substances don't already contain all the knowledge themselves.


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Re: Committed Dose [Re: RRedBBeard]
    #26491353 - 02/18/20 08:29 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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RRedBBeard said:
I'll look up McKenna's article this morning, thanks!

What dose are you afraid of?




A lot of great advice above, this is a subjective journey and you'll need to make the discoveries on your own. No one's experience will line up with yours because its one thing to read a trip report and another to be in the process of having a trip.

But to answer your question, I am not afraid of any dose. But I personally don't feel ready to take, say 6g (I guess you can count that as "fear"?). Every dose in the 3g and above range gives me slight anxiety as i'm staring at it. This isn't fear of the dose but the ego unwilling to go into that space because it may not get to come out the same (and the ego just wants to preserve its status indefinitely). So i pop it in my mouth and don't give my mind room to grow doubt.


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Re: Committed Dose [Re: RRedBBeard]
    #26491517 - 02/18/20 10:16 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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RRedBBeard said:
I'll look up McKenna's article this morning, thanks!

What dose are you afraid of?




It's only 3.5g of cubes but it will be my largest dose yet. I think these cubes are either really potent or I have a low tolerance because I got blasted off of them with 2.2g and some Orange Juice. They are powdered too which I think might make a difference. But that 2.2g dose was much stronger than any tab of LSD I've tried so this will probably be my strongest psychedelic trip yet


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Re: Committed Dose [Re: Northerner]
    #26491521 - 02/18/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Northerner said:
There's no right or wrong, I think the whole committed dose idea is a logical fallacy. There are different levels of experience, that is all. With or without music is totally optional. With or without anything is totally optional. You are at the helm

A few weeks ago I had a trip where I was unable to operate any technology, it was literally impossible to turn music on for quite a while. Last week I had a low dose trip and all I did was watch films, listen to tunes and talk quietly with my SO.

Both of these experiences were significantly different. One was slightly traumatic, the other was comforting and elevating. But there is value to be had in both of these experiences, and value in the the spectrum between and beyond them. There isn't a goal to aim for, there isn't a target to achieve, there is no path to follow. Just you to steer where you want to go.

I'm not a fan of McKenna, I understand some of his insights but generally I find him unappealing. So many rules and definitions and sets about how things should and should not be. That's just doesn't ring true for me at all. It's a very personal journey, every prophet is a false prophet.




Wow couldnt have said it better myself! Thanks for the advice.


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Re: Committed Dose [Re: TokeItUp12] * 1
    #26491534 - 02/18/20 10:31 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

You have to put McKenna into context, and allow him the speaker’s privilege. Yes a lot of what he said is very dated today, but he was saying it years ahead of others. But after a few years trying his methods, I converged on what worked for me personally. Then I came back here and the vast majority on here say the same; it’s personal to you.

I have not done a complete trip in silent darkness. Music has always grounded me, especially at higher doses. As an experiment a few weeks ago, I turned the music off for 15 minutes.  Within what felt like 10 seconds, I was hearing imaginary music! It was actually cosmic!

But I don’t think I’ve built up the experience or the guts to try an entire trip without sound. Darkness itself allows me to go really deep. I suppose with the music off, you will have no external distractions, and therefore would go even deeper.......

I need to toughen up and give it a go......

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Re: Committed Dose [Re: TokeItUp12] * 1
    #26494108 - 02/19/20 09:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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have listened to Terrence McKenna's talk, "Committed Dose",




I've never listened to anything by McKenna, nor by anybody else regarding tripping.  Except for people I actually know that is. :lol:

But what you're talking about is letting somebody else (somebody dead in this case) determine how you approach a transcendental experience with the power to completely reconfigure how your mind works. 

I don't think its a good idea to follow any plan but your own, and the only way to form your own plan is through experience.  The experience itself will teach you everything you need to know. :awesomenod:


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Re: Committed Dose [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26494445 - 02/20/20 05:52 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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TokeItUp12 said:
have listened to Terrence McKenna's talk, "Committed Dose",




I've never listened to anything by McKenna, nor by anybody else regarding tripping.  Except for people I actually know that is. :lol:

But what you're talking about is letting somebody else (somebody dead in this case) determine how you approach a transcendental experience with the power to completely reconfigure how your mind works. 

I don't think its a good idea to follow any plan but your own, and the only way to form your own plan is through experience.  The experience itself will teach you everything you need to know. :awesomenod:



:whathesaid:
The thing I liked about Terrence was just the way he would talk about the mushroom in such an elegant and respectful manner than made me relate to it so much.. because he was putting my exact thoughts into words.

The tripping aspect of it though - is only something you can learn from within. I just know - be somewhere safe.


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Re: Committed Dose [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26494610 - 02/20/20 08:02 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Not disagreeing but Terence McKenna was good enough for Shpongle.


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Re: Committed Dose [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26494903 - 02/20/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Not disagreeing but Terence McKenna was good enough for Shpongle.



Agree on both counts 👍🏻

He was also good enough for The Shamen 👍🏻

He did in fact give up mushrooms a while before he died. It would though be awesome if he were still alive, for his comment on the climate, the population (already know his answer to that 😉), and the psychedelic renaissance!

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Re: Committed Dose [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26495257 - 02/20/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Not disagreeing but Terence McKenna was good enough for Shpongle.




Oh yeah I lied - :laugh2: McKenna is sound sampled in Shpongle quite a lot. "The gnomes have found a new way to say 'hooooorrraaaayyy'!"

So I agree he's an entertaining character, but I still get my information firsthand from the mushroom. 

No gurus required.


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Re: Committed Dose [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26495272 - 02/20/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

His main thing was just to go see for yourself. He would agree with you.


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Re: Committed Dose [Re: The Mycologist] * 1
    #26495286 - 02/20/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Whatever. 

Hey, people, if it makes you feel good listening to McKenna then go and do it, that's what his thing was anyway, popularizing psychedelics. Which is not inherently a bad thing.

What you want to avoid is obfuscation, it's hard enough to go there and make sense of it without getting a load of secondhand interpretations in your way.  I'm talking about expectations here.


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