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70% ISO or Regular 70% ?
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Hi friends,
this is the second time i post this, the first post some how got deleted. any way i want to know why it is necessary to use 70% ISO. Because a friend of mine got a distill and he can make regular 92% alcohol. so if he reduces the 92% to 70% can that alcohol be used? or has it to be ISO Alcohol ?
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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: josbos] 2
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70% is more effective for sanitizing as it penetrates cell walls easier than 90%+
As far as the type, it doesn't matter much. Ethanol is a bit more flammable, and is a bit better than isopropyl for sanitizing. But only a bit.
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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: josbos]
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Ethanol has a lower latent heat of vaporisation so isn't as good at drying (at 70%) anyway. 70% Ethanol would leave water behind for significantly longer.
You might have to use a different concentration of ethanolto achieve the same effect. I have no idea how to calculate that though.
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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: antmanmax]
#26494394 - 02/20/20 04:09 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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antmanmax said: 70% is more effective for sanitizing as it penetrates cell walls easier than 90%+
As far as the type, it doesn't matter much. Ethanol is a bit more flammable, and is a bit better than isopropyl for sanitizing. But only a bit.
thanks for the information, about that the type of alcohol does not matter. thats what i needed to know, as for 70% or 90% ¨so if he reduces the 92% to 70% ¨ yeah i have read many times that 70% is better because of the cell walls and because 90% evaporated quicker.
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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: notdave]
#26494401 - 02/20/20 04:28 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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notdave said: Ethanol has a lower latent heat of vaporisation so isn't as good at drying (at 70%) anyway. 70% Ethanol would leave water behind for significantly longer.
You might have to use a different concentration of ethanolto achieve the same effect. I have no idea how to calculate that though.
Thanks for you information, this is really helpful information. i will register at a university-degree chemistry forum. and post this question.
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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: notdave]
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notdave said: Ethanol has a lower latent heat of vaporisation so isn't as good at drying (at 70%) anyway. 70% Ethanol would leave water behind for significantly longer.
You might have to use a different concentration of ethanolto achieve the same effect. I have no idea how to calculate that though.
Isn't that a good thing, though? You want whatever you're sanitizing to remain hydrated, so the alcohol can do its job. If it evaporates too quickly it won't sanitize as well.
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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: antmanmax]
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Not 100% sure, but i think ethanol of a certain concentration will leave water behind rather than helping it evaporate like with IPA. Pretty sure there's a good reason IPA is used for this sort of thing rather than ethanol, just not sure what it is!
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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: notdave] 1
#26494540 - 02/20/20 07:18 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Higher concentration iso evaps quicker and has less time to sanitize that’s why people recommend 70.
Not sure about ethanol.......
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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: SynKyd]
#26494669 - 02/20/20 08:36 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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70% kills better It has the right osmotic pressure and tonicity to penetrate cells and denature their insides. It may denature surface proteins on cell walls and bacterial envelopes but not to the extent higher percentage alcohol(both iso and ethanol) will. Alcohol is able to permeate cells and then go to work on intracellular components
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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: notdave]
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notdave said: Not 100% sure, but i think ethanol of a certain concentration will leave water behind rather than helping it evaporate like with IPA. Pretty sure there's a good reason IPA is used for this sort of thing rather than ethanol, just not sure what it is!
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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: SynKyd]
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SinysterKyd said: Higher concentration iso evaps quicker and has less time to sanitize that’s why people recommend 70.
Not sure about ethanol.......
That's only a minor secondary benefit of the fact that 70% actually kills better.
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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: bodhisatta]
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SinysterKyd said: Higher concentration iso evaps quicker and has less time to sanitize that’s why people recommend 70.
Not sure about ethanol.......
That's only a minor secondary benefit of the fact that 70% actually kills better.
Thanks Bod for clarifying.......I just went looking for where I read this long ago.
It was your agar tek
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did you know 70% alcohol sanitizes better than 90+ or higher concentrations more info about that here
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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: SynKyd]
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I only use ethanol and have not used iso in 20 years....
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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: Nichrome] 1
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ISo is super cheap, effective, and everywhere has it.
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I use the heads off my still and mix it with my iso. Idk what concentration I'm getting and of what but it's seems to work just. Maybe the last year I've been using it.
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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: notdave]
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notdave said: Pretty sure there's a good reason IPA is used for this sort of thing rather than ethanol, just not sure what it is!
There are a couple reasons. Iso is cheaper and widely available. Ethanol that hasn't been denatured is subject to liquor tax and the laws surrounding its production, distribution, and sale. Ethanol is usually denatured with methanol which is more toxic and noxious than either of the other two alcohols.
I've made up to 88% ethanol before, but the effort and time made it too precious to go spraying on tabletops. It was much more fun to drink it with friends who thought they were gonna die after swallowing it.
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notdave said: Pretty sure there's a good reason IPA is used for this sort of thing rather than ethanol, just not sure what it is!
There are a couple reasons. Iso is cheaper and widely available. Ethanol that hasn't been denatured is subject to liquor tax and the laws surrounding its production, distribution, and sale. Ethanol is usually denatured with methanol which is more toxic and noxious than either of the other two alcohols.
I've made up to 88% ethanol before, but the effort and time made it too precious to go spraying on tabletops. It was much more fun to drink it with friends who thought they were gonna die after swallowing it. 
i dont drink thats way i take mushrooms and harmala. so for me is no problem to ask my friend for 70% ethanol
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InfiniteDreams said: ISo is super cheap, effective, and everywhere has it.
yeah but iso also got alot of carcinogenic stuff in it
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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: antmanmax]
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Labs use 70% ethanol as well.
that say alot, i have the feeling that those guy in the lab know what there doing. but i could be wrong
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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: Nichrome]
#26496719 - 02/21/20 09:38 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nichrome said: I only use ethanol and have not used iso in 20 years....
i bet you know what your doing. 20 years is a long time. if ethanol was not working than you wont use it. 20 years of knowledge. thanks for your in put
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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: josbos]
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josbos said: yeah but iso also got alot of carcinogenic stuff in it
Like what? Water?
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josbos said: yeah but iso also got alot of carcinogenic stuff in it
Like what? Water?
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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: josbos]
#26498419 - 02/22/20 12:44 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ok? 
Look, isopropanol/isopropyl alcohol is NOT a suspected carcinogen. Even poisonings are rarely fatal.
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Ethanol is carcinogenic though, if you drink it.
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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26498450 - 02/22/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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True, but I'd argue that the cumulative lifetime exposure from vapor and incidental skin contact from using it as a surface sanitizer is going to be much lower than from drinking it.
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I think it's absolutely pointless to concern yourself about either product used as a surface cleaner. Iso is significantly cheaper in the US retail market though. Distilling your own is some shit people always talk about but so fucking ridiculous just to make a shitty sanitizer
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my friend bought a distil. because he want to do alcohol extracts with peganum harmala. he said that he read that for alcohol extracts he must use ethanol and not iso. do you guys know if he could use iso for extraction of peganum harmala? also he said that he did a alcohol extract with 18gr dry mckennaii cubes. but the did not trip from the extract. how can that be possible? also do you guys know if mckennaii are the strongest cubes?
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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26498537 - 02/22/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: I think it's absolutely pointless to concern yourself about either product used as a surface cleaner. Iso is significantly cheaper in the US retail market though. Distilling your own is some shit people always talk about but so fucking ridiculous just to make a shitty sanitizer
I drink mine. Lol. The heads though. The part that supposedly has methanol I save it and mix it in with iso. Works so far.
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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: gizmo1]
#26498591 - 02/22/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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To drink fine to use as sani i would want to hit over 195 proof and water it back like vodka. Pointless amount of work for what the drug store sells for a few bucks
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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26498610 - 02/22/20 02:55 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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lol..
you should also grow your own coconuts and make your own coconut coir. and mine your own vermiculite. and grow your own rye for spawn
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bod is spot on, as usual. just buy coir bricks for 2$, 70% iso for $1.70, etc... it is much easier, probably cheaper, and scales way better
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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: c10h12n2o]
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my buddy bought a distil. because he want to do alcohol extracts with peganum harmala. he said that he read that for alcohol extracts he must use ethanol and not iso. do you guys know if he could use iso for extraction of peganum harmala? also he said that he did a alcohol extract with 18gr dry mckennaii cubes. but the did not trip from the extract. how can that be possible? also do you guys know if mckennaii are the strongest cubes?
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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: josbos]
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Why use iso for an extract you want to consume?
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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: josbos]
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thats like saying "i met a black guy and he was terrible at basketball, wtf arent all black people supposed to be good at basketball"? lol... its a ridiculous generalization that does not take into account that there is more variation WITHIN a race than there is BETWEEN races
different varieties (races) of cubes are not more or less potent than each other. just like different races of humans arent inherently smarter or better at music than others.
with the possible exception of PE, variety isnt going to indicate potency. but even then you can find a batch of amazonians that is significantly more potent than a batch of PE
remember, when you are talking about a race of cubes, just like with a race of people, there is going to be tremendous variations between INDIVIDUALS (isolated strains) within that population
im a STRAIN/individual, you are a STRAIN/individual. our SPECIES is human. my RACE is caucasian. knowing my race tells you nothing about how good or bad i will be at a particular thing, how much i will weigh, how athletic i will be, etc... even if you can find general trends within the group as a whole. even within the same family, just because your brother is good at sports doesnt mean you will be
by the same logic, mckennaii and PESA and B+ and AA+ are all varieties/races, of the species cubensis. and my isolated AA+ monster culture is a STRAIN/individual. so just because my isolate grows 130+gram monsters every single time doesnt mean your AA+ will do the same.
also in multispore grows there is a huge amount of genetic diversity, so its not really valid to talk about the potency of a multispore grow as if it is a fixed thing, in the same way you can say a particular isolate is potent
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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: c10h12n2o]
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c10h12n2o said: thats like saying "i met a black guy and he was terrible at basketball, wtf arent all black people supposed to be good at basketball"? lol... its a ridiculous generalization that does not take into account that there is more variation WITHIN a race than there is BETWEEN races
different varieties (races) of cubes are not more or less potent than each other. just like different races of humans arent inherently smarter or better at music than others.
with the possible exception of PE, variety isnt going to indicate potency. but even then you can find a batch of amazonians that is significantly more potent than a batch of P
remember, when you are talking about a race of cubes, just like with a race of people, there is going to be tremendous variations between INDIVIDUALS (isolated strains) within that population
im a STRAIN/individual, you are a STRAIN/individual. our SPECIES is human. my RACE is caucasian. knowing my race tells you nothing about how good or bad i will be at a particular thing, how much i will weigh, how athletic i will be, etc... even if you can find general trends within the group as a whole. even within the same family, just because your brother is good at sports doesnt mean you will be
by the same logic, mckennaii and PESA and B+ and AA+ are all varieties/races, of the species cubensis. and my isolated AA+ monster culture is a STRAIN/individual. so just because my isolate grows 130+gram monsters every single time doesnt mean your AA+ will do the same.
also in multispore grows there is a huge amount of genetic diversity, so its not really valid to talk about the potency of a multispore grow as if it is a fixed thing, in the same way you can say a particular isolate is potent
well i just asked if that's the case i did NOT stated like it is absolute fact!
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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: josbos]
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josbos said: yeah but iso also got alot of carcinogenic stuff in it
ISO is NOT carcinogenic whatsoever. Not healthy to ingest. But it's not carcinogenic.
Rubbing Alcohol is otherwise a crap shoot. It can have ISO, ethanol, methanol, perhaps others, in any combination they fancy.
So I would not use Rubbing Alcohol. It MUST say "Isopropyl Alcohol" and only list water as any 2nd ingredient.
Denatured alcohol is Ethanol which is "Denatured - made not like nature (or usable like nature)". i.e. Ethanol intentionally made poisonous. Why? so Ethanol can be used industrially but not pay "alcohol taxes" Which denaturants? well by the term - nothing you'd want to deal with. But includes Methanol (most commonly), ISO, and other additives.
So Isopropyl is perfectly fine - if labeled exactly as such and the only dilutant is water. Otherwise also there'd be a lot of MJ wax and extraction voyagers out there dying off - ISO is very commonly used extractant and safe when fully evaporated.
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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: Legume]
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josbos said: yeah but iso also got alot of carcinogenic stuff in it
ISO is NOT carcinogenic whatsoever. Not healthy to ingest. But it's not carcinogenic.
Rubbing Alcohol is otherwise a crap shoot. It can have ISO, ethanol, methanol, perhaps others, in any combination they fancy.
So I would not use Rubbing Alcohol. It MUST say "Isopropyl Alcohol" and only list water as any 2nd ingredient.
Denatured alcohol is Ethanol which is "Denatured - made not like nature (or usable like nature)". i.e. Ethanol intentionally made poisonous. Why? so Ethanol can be used industrially but not pay "alcohol taxes" Which denaturants? well by the term - nothing you'd want to deal with. But includes Methanol (most commonly), ISO, and other additives.
So Isopropyl is perfectly fine - if labeled exactly as such and the only dilutant is water. Otherwise also there'd be a lot of MJ wax and extraction voyagers out there dying off - ISO is very commonly used extractant and safe when fully evaporated.
thanks for the information. but i will use the 70% ethanol from my buddy's distil
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c10h12n2o said: thats like saying "i met a black guy and he was terrible at basketball, wtf arent all black people supposed to be good at basketball"? lol... its a ridiculous generalization that does not take into account that there is more variation WITHIN a race than there is BETWEEN races
different varieties (races) of cubes are not more or less potent than each other. just like different races of humans arent inherently smarter or better at music than others.
with the possible exception of PE, variety isnt going to indicate potency. but even then you can find a batch of amazonians that is significantly more potent than a batch of P
remember, when you are talking about a race of cubes, just like with a race of people, there is going to be tremendous variations between INDIVIDUALS (isolated strains) within that population
im a STRAIN/individual, you are a STRAIN/individual. our SPECIES is human. my RACE is caucasian. knowing my race tells you nothing about how good or bad i will be at a particular thing, how much i will weigh, how athletic i will be, etc... even if you can find general trends within the group as a whole. even within the same family, just because your brother is good at sports doesnt mean you will be
by the same logic, mckennaii and PESA and B+ and AA+ are all varieties/races, of the species cubensis. and my isolated AA+ monster culture is a STRAIN/individual. so just because my isolate grows 130+gram monsters every single time doesnt mean your AA+ will do the same.
also in multispore grows there is a huge amount of genetic diversity, so its not really valid to talk about the potency of a multispore grow as if it is a fixed thing, in the same way you can say a particular isolate is potent
well i just asked if that's the case i did NOT stated like it is absolute fact!
You asked and I answered. Do you understand now?
It's not like I called you stupid or anything, almost every new user asks that same question, so I explained for your benefit and for theirs. Dont make it personal because it isnt
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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: c10h12n2o]
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different varieties (races) of cubes are not more or less potent than each other. just like different races of humans arent inherently smarter or better at music than others.
with the possible exception of PE, variety isnt going to indicate potency. but even then you can find a batch of amazonians that is significantly more potent than a batch of P
remember, when you are talking about a race of cubes, just like with a race of people, there is going to be tremendous variations between INDIVIDUALS (isolated strains) within that population
im a STRAIN/individual, you are a STRAIN/individual. our SPECIES is human. my RACE is caucasian. knowing my race tells you nothing about how good or bad i will be at a particular thing, how much i will weigh, how athletic i will be, etc... even if you can find general trends within the group as a whole. even within the same family, just because your brother is good at sports doesnt mean you will be
by the same logic, mckennaii and PESA and B+ and AA+ are all varieties/races, of the species cubensis. and my isolated AA+ monster culture is a STRAIN/individual. so just because my isolate grows 130+gram monsters every single time doesnt mean your AA+ will do the same.
also in multispore grows there is a huge amount of genetic diversity, so its not really valid to talk about the potency of a multispore grow as if it is a fixed thing, in the same way you can say a particular isolate is potent
well i just asked if that's the case i did NOT stated like it is absolute fact!
You asked and I answered. Do you understand now?
It's not like I called you stupid or anything, almost every new user asks that same question, so I explained for your benefit and for theirs. Dont make it personal because it isnt
sure dude but if you use words with all capital letters. it looks like you shouting. so it is a normal response for a person to feel attacked something to take note of for next time.
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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: josbos]
#26500090 - 02/23/20 03:15 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I used keywords in capital letters because they are crucial to understanding the concept I was explaining, and I'm sure there are less defensive people who will appreciate the explanation
No one is emotionally invested enough in your questions to shout at you, anyone who takes the time to answer your questions is trying to help you
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Re: 70% ISO or Regular 70% ? [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26500092 - 02/23/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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c10h12n2o said: I used keywords in capital letters because they are crucial to understanding the concept I was explaining, and I'm sure there are less defensive people who will appreciate the explanation
No one is emotionally invested enough in your questions to shout at you, anyone who takes the time to answer your questions is trying to help you
oke great, next time you could use a disclaimer or something
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