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Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? 4
#26494325 - 02/20/20 01:54 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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We are a group of researchers at Maastricht University in the Netherlands who study the potential therapeutic effects of psychedelics, and we are back again with a questionnaire study, asking for your help.
We are looking for any and all individuals who have used a psychedelic (including MDMA) in the past 6 months, in a ritualistic setting (for example, drug retreat, ceremony, or church group). We would like to ask you about the physical environment (setting) in which you took the substance, and how it impacted your experience. As always, your responses are completely anonymous. The survey will take <20 minutes to complete.
For more information, you can follow this link to the survey: https://maastrichtuniversity.eu.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_822PNSq8BK83ds1
And for those who answered the last survey, a sample of the published articles can be found below. Thank you again for allowing science to benefit from your experiences!
Self-Rated effectiveness of microdosing with psychedelics for mental and physical health problems among microdosers
Motives for classical and novel psychoactive substances use in psychedelic polydrug users
Reported effects of psychedelic use on those with low well-being given various emotional states and social contexts
Motives and side-effects of microdosing with psychedelics among users
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: epuonderzoek96] 2
#26494859 - 02/20/20 10:27 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why is thread from someone with three posts and a 0 rating stickied? Why should anyone on this website contribute to this?
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#26494867 - 02/20/20 10:31 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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because more research and decreased stigma means less people in cages
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: feevers] 7
#26494917 - 02/20/20 10:53 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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More research just means more potential for a bunch of suits to put the shit in pill form and force people to consume it in a lab setting.
I'm fine consuming mine illegally in the woods.
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Ran-D] 7
#26495088 - 02/20/20 12:27 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ran-D said: More research just means more potential for a bunch of suits to put the shit in pill form and force people to consume it in a lab setting.
I'm fine consuming mine illegally in the woods.
You're willing to risk your freedom, that's fine, but it does not mean that's the way it should be, and that there aren't people with far more to lose than you.
Just because you like using them in the woods, doesn't mean a cancer patient shouldn't have the option to have the experience while on their death bed in a hospital. It doesn't mean religions shouldn't be able to use plants openly as sacraments like they have since possibly the beginning of religion itself.
There's not a whole lot of negative stuff that the research could find, but there's a hell of a lot of positive stuff that could really sway the tide. It's the new research and the exposure that's leading to cities decriminalizing these things, and the FDA considering re-scheduling them to be considered therapeutically and medicinally viable.
The more research the better
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Ran-D] 3
#26495545 - 02/20/20 04:08 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ran-D said: More research just means more potential for a bunch of suits to put the shit in pill form and force people to consume it in a lab setting.
I'm fine consuming mine illegally in the woods.
And that's great. But some people would rather take it in pill form and consume it in a lab setting (by the way, if you've seen some of these "lab settings" where people trip, I bet you'd want to do it there, too).
I want this to benefit as many people as possible. And the only way that's going to happen is through research, otherwise this will remain a drug people consume illegally in the woods.
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: antmanmax] 1
#26495700 - 02/20/20 05:30 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Everyone: "Who the hell has access to lab settings and Pharmaceutical psychedelics?"
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Revok] 2
#26495705 - 02/20/20 05:36 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I suggest the researchers go eat an 8th and sit in a dark room.
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Ran-D] 5
#26495734 - 02/20/20 05:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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But then who will research the researchers?
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: pirate-blues] 2
#26496007 - 02/20/20 08:11 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I will.
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Ran-D] 4
#26496245 - 02/20/20 10:58 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I love seeing these posts periodically appear on the forums, as it means progress is being made.
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Corundum] 3
#26496367 - 02/21/20 02:12 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Legalizing cannabis backfired 100% (I knew it would), so why will legalizing mushrooms be any better?
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Ran-D] 5
#26496399 - 02/21/20 03:17 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well, aren't you a positive one. What's your point here? That no one should do any research on mushrooms because you believe legalisation and decriminalisation won't happen because you believe cannabis legalisation has "backfired?" You say you're fine taking them illegally in the woods. Do you think all mushrooms on the face of the earth will disappear if they do some research? I'm sure whatever happens you'll still be able to go to your forest and eat mushrooms while complaining on something 😀 Albert Hoffmanns research was for naught? Mycologists should find something better to do? Shroomery is nonsense? And as for legalisation, there's not only the United States in the world. It's happening, but slowly. And even in the states you can buy the smoke you want in some states now, 20 years ago you'd go to prison. Or am I wrong??
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Psilosadhu] 2
#26496605 - 02/21/20 08:28 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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"Hey guys, I know how pharma has literally lobbied to keep these things illegal for decades, and all the research you guys have done until now has been at the risk of your own freedom, but if you could just go ahead and hand all that info over so we can make some money off it when it's legal that'd be grrreat."
Mushrooms only disappear due to habitat destruction, luckily Psilocybes seem to follow us regardless so I'm not worried about that. But I promise strains (yes, strain is a real term when it comes to fungi) will be patented. Cultivation will be tightly regulated and maybe more illegal than it is now.
Why, exactly, do we need some college cats to tell us all what we already know?
Sorry thinking critically offends some people. But faith that any part of the system has their heart in the right place and wants to help people is something I lack.
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Ran-D] 3
#26496628 - 02/21/20 08:39 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just because you know that they have medicinal benefit doesn't mean you know why they do or how it works exactly.
And more importantly, just because you have access to them doesn't mean there aren't a bunch of people out there who's lives could be positively and dramatically changed by more research, and legalization. Big Pharma funds tons of research, they're not necessarily benevolent, sure, they're in it for the money - but mushrooms are something anyone could have access to with a little research.
Sure, with progress and legalization comes hiccups and fuck ups. That's change. It's hard. Doesn't mean that we shouldn't try and move forward as a society and put some of our archaic drug laws and stigmatization behind us. That's backwards as fuck.
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: pirate-blues] 2
#26496638 - 02/21/20 08:44 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Full legalization with zero regulation or bust. If I can't walk into a hospital and openly hand out actual mushrooms to the dying folks then that is not progress.
I'll pass on some artificial pill form. About as useful as CBD oil from a gas station.
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Ran-D] 2
#26496646 - 02/21/20 08:50 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I mean...I don't think you can even walk into a hospital and give dying folks some chamomile tea, but I get what you're saying - definitely shouldn't be a classed as any kind of controlled substance. If people aren't free to grow and hunt their own then it wouldn't really be legalization imo.
At this point though any step forward is a step towards that. It'll be a fight for full legalization, and having the facts and research on our side is crucial for winning that fight imo.
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Ran-D] 1
#26496660 - 02/21/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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feevers said: because more research and decreased stigma means less people in cages
I'm all for more research and reduced stigma attached to the use of hallucinogenic mushrooms. However I'm unsure about the value of yet another anonymous survey asking whether I have seen God, Cthulhu or pink elephants skinny dipping.
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Ran-D said: I suggest the researchers go eat an 8th and sit in a dark room.
I follow you here, although an 8th might be a little short. A fifth is more like it. Like Huxley said, it would probably be good for professors and academics to actually take it, not just research second hand interpretations of these kinds of experiences. They are simply too strange to put into words. Like studying fungi through a foggy microscope lens.
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Anglerfish]
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i wanna help but I doubt it’s possible to describe any part of a mushroom trip to someone who has never taken one. Ill try though🤷🏻♂️
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: feldman114]
#26496862 - 02/21/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Shit changes, it’s part of life. Either get with the changes or get outa the way.. it’s the loud ones that cause problems for them selfs when it comes to this kind of stuff. Do I agree with them? Hell no but I’ll step aside and let them do their thing, the government does a great job of fucking things up on their own.
Weed is legal in Canada and there is still 1000’s of black market grows pumping out great product.. If you don’t believe me check out my posts in the dank thread.
Mushrooms are no reason to get worked up, there suppose to bring us together not rip us apart. I’ll for ever be doing my own thing, just because I don’t support the government with this kinda stuff doesn’t mean I’ll protest it lol.
I’m not trying to ruffle any feathers here just joint the discussion.
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Ran-D] 1
#26496876 - 02/21/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ran-D said: Legalizing cannabis backfired 100% (I knew it would), so why will legalizing mushrooms be any better?
Why do you say legalizing cannabis backfired?
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: MLPismyOPSEC] 1
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I’m in Canada so I can only speak of what I see up here. They shit the bed on the cannabis thing because..
1. It’s not affordable for people who need to be medicated all the time.
2. The growers salaries are suffering because of the new regulations, testing, and packaging cost a lot of money. 150 grand just to get a legal grow started (legal fees and licenses, that’s before you even put any plants in the dirt)
3. The little growers are getting pushed out because they dint have the financial backing that the big companies do.
4. They put tax on it this is a big one for me.. it’s been tax free for a 100 years. ... I’m not about to start paying tax on my flowers.
5. There’s a supply in demand issue, there’s not enough legal cannabis for how many people there is in Canada.. therefore the price goes up.
But with all that being said I still see the benefit in having legal cannabis stores, people who never would of smoked before are able to get all the legal medication they needed.. not a big deal for someone like me, but for someone who doesn’t believe in breaking the law this is huge.
Not to mention convenience, people can grab there weed in minutes and not have to wait for a dealer or friend to show up on their own time.. again doesn’t effect me but I see the benefit.
They should of decriminalized instead of legalizing... Everyone is supper happy they can grow plants at home without being harassed.... but not so stoked about the government taking their piece of the pie.
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: staytrippy420] 3
#26496932 - 02/21/20 12:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pretty much the same here. Lots of empty promises about supporting small growers and individual rights during the ballot phase. All that instantly changed after passing. Most counties here banned personal cultivation even though it was promised, or forced it indoors. Lobbyists from corporate brands influenced this.
People who grew for decades and built the foundation for the rest of us are being pushed out by Chads and even worse by people who literally made their nut prosecuting cannabis in the past.
Product quality has gone down. Stores provide gimmicky bullshit that is all looks and no bang. And like you said, the taxes make them unaffordable. The few small farmers who make it through the gauntlet of fees and make it on the shelf have to drop their prices to make up for the insane taxes or nobody will buy their product. They cannot afford these losses. Corporate grows CAN afford these losses, they have three year plans for that kinda shit.
Plant patents are becoming a very real thing. Thank god Cannabis has been in the hands of the people for so long it's going to be a real battle for them to take everyone's genetics, but they are trying.
Its not that I'm against learning more, and of course I support the Shroomery and actual mycologists everywhere (even though some mycologists are squares who won't even address psychedelics).
Anyway, I am obviously a very cynical person and I hope nobody takes my tone personally (unless you're one of those Chad's I mentioned).
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: feldman114] 1
#26496959 - 02/21/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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feldman114 said: I doubt it’s possible to describe any part of a mushroom trip to someone who has never taken one.
I think it is even difficult to describe it to people who have tripped. It's just so subjective.
Only when it gets possible to convey the experiences in a matter-of-factly manner, I believe we are collectively going to get something productive out of these experiences. Until that happens, it's basically a one-(wo)man peep show.
I mean, McKenna spent a lifetime trying, and though he essentially promoted it for literally a whole world of would-be psychonauts and provided his audiences with some valid insights and loads of good entertainment, I think people are still non the wiser, to be completely honest.
Although I find the shamanic approach to psychedelics both interesting and confounding, I don't have the cultural background or beliefs needed to kind of comprehend it, other than seeing the shaman as a sort of "trip director".
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Ran-D] 1
#26497107 - 02/21/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ran-D said: But I promise strains (yes, strain is a real term when it comes to fungi) will be patented. Cultivation will be tightly regulated and maybe more illegal than it is now
I'll still break the law and grow my own ain't gonna bother me. And it would be impossible to patent a mushroom strain. It would take thousands(millions) of patents.
Can you even patent a natural process? What's the topic of this thread?? Where am i?
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Ran-D]
#26497202 - 02/21/20 03:36 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ran-D said: Legalizing cannabis backfired 100% (I knew it would), so why will legalizing mushrooms be any better?
Wrong. Legalizing cannabis hasn’t backfired yet. Marlboro isn’t growing weed and neither is the govt. so it hasn’t backfired. Maybe soon, but not yet.
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: jbgtaa]
#26497212 - 02/21/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ran-D said: But I promise strains (yes, strain is a real term when it comes to fungi) will be patented. Cultivation will be tightly regulated and maybe more illegal than it is now
I'll still break the law and grow my own ain't gonna bother me. And it would be impossible to patent a mushroom strain. It would take thousands(millions) of patents.
Can you even patent a natural process? What's the topic of this thread?? Where am i?
Microorganisms can and have been patented.
Also, some goober even patented the word Psilocybin for a chocolate company.
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Ran-D said: Legalizing cannabis backfired 100% (I knew it would), so why will legalizing mushrooms be any better?
Wrong. Legalizing cannabis hasn’t backfired yet. Marlboro isn’t growing weed and neither is the govt. so it hasn’t backfired. Maybe soon, but not yet.
I shared a few reason why it did, and honestly there are many more but I would be going off topic if I listed them all.
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Ran-D said: But I promise strains (yes, strain is a real term when it comes to fungi) will be patented. Cultivation will be tightly regulated and maybe more illegal than it is now
I'll still break the law and grow my own ain't gonna bother me. And it would be impossible to patent a mushroom strain. It would take thousands(millions) of patents.
Can you even patent a natural process? What's the topic of this thread?? Where am i?
Microorganisms can and have been patented.
A strain is what happens when two spores come together. 1 spore print can have billions of strains.
I dont think that process can have a patent. It would be like getting a patent for osmosis.
A variety tho is a different story.
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: mushboy]
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Anyone who wants to learn about that topic can simply google it.
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I agree with you on that BigPharma has and is fucking things up, Ran-D. But does that mean that no one should be allowed to do whatever research they want with mushrooms? Is the only goal with research legalisation? I'm not offended by critical thinking, but thought your reaction to this is more negative than just critical. I mean all forms of mushroom research is good and necessary. Well, maybe not so much this very study, fuck knows why they want to do it, but if they really want to do it, why not? People should be free to do whatever they want as long as they're not doing any harm. As I am free to not participate in this... Whatever study 😀
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: MLPismyOPSEC] 1
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Ran-D said: Legalizing cannabis backfired 100% (I knew it would), so why will legalizing mushrooms be any better?
Why do you say legalizing cannabis backfired?
I can't speak for everywhere, but in Illinois they already significantly increased the already high tax and there is no availability. This is the greatest thing that ever happened to the black market. It's like legalization became their advertising company.
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😂😂😂 that’s a good way to look at it.
The black market is thriving like never before up here to 
No complaints from me.
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I think it is even difficult to describe it to people who have tripped. It's just so subjective.
Explaining to someone from the 13th century what a car is may be difficult, but with enough time and consideration of variables they aren't aware of (like paved roads, engines and chemical rubber) you can start to paint the picture. Describing the psychedelic experience is similar in that it's hard to get the main ideas out there when the infrastructure of the experience (the roads) don't exist in that person's mind. Often we explain these things emotionally rather than logically and don't convey a shared experience so it comes out as an alien experience.
This is why the best way trips have been expressed has traditionally been through art and video, which convey the scenery rather than the thoughts, but can put you into a similar place to get an idea of the thoughts in question.
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: PatrickKn]
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dude wants to know about clandestine religious psychedelic ceremonies, and the first rule is don't talk about it with other (untrusted) people.
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Brian Jones]
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Ran-D said: Legalizing cannabis backfired 100% (I knew it would), so why will legalizing mushrooms be any better?
Why do you say legalizing cannabis backfired?
I can't speak for everywhere, but in Illinois they already significantly increased the already high tax and there is no availability. This is the greatest thing that ever happened to the black market. It's like legalization became their advertising company.
That is the fault of illinois legislature. It is happening all over. Look at nevada, they had shops open in months, mass took years and over taxed and still not widespread like colorado where theyre everywhere.
This is the problem with liberal states, they have so many things they have already spent the tax revenue before it rolls in that they cant help but jack the rate up
There was a good story about how post prohibition there was a similar situation where some states taxed the shit out of liquor and continued to have a thriving black market whereas iirc washington state taxed it very little, stamped out the black market and then slowly drove taxes up.
Legalization works fine if the legislatures would get out of the way and let the market take over. Look at colorado the legal market is so competitive the black market is only for shipping out of state
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
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Ran-D said: Legalizing cannabis backfired 100% (I knew it would), so why will legalizing mushrooms be any better?
Why do you say legalizing cannabis backfired?
I can't speak for everywhere, but in Illinois they already significantly increased the already high tax and there is no availability. This is the greatest thing that ever happened to the black market. It's like legalization became their advertising company.
That is the fault of illinois legislature. It is happening all over. Look at nevada, they had shops open in months, mass took years and over taxed and still not widespread like colorado where theyre everywhere.
This is the problem with liberal states, they have so many things they have already spent the tax revenue before it rolls in that they cant help but jack the rate up
There was a good story about how post prohibition there was a similar situation where some states taxed the shit out of liquor and continued to have a thriving black market whereas iirc washington state taxed it very little, stamped out the black market and then slowly drove taxes up.
Legalization works fine if the legislatures would get out of the way and let the market take over. Look at colorado the legal market is so competitive the black market is only for shipping out of state
actually, democratic legislatures are far more fiscally conservative than republican counterparts. the math supports it in almost every case. you can look back throuh the records of past presidents and see the narrative regurgitated by republicans about democrats taxing and spending is 100% bullshit.
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: KinokoKomodo]
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So many tinfoil hats whenever universities want to do studies 
@OP Do the ceremonies have to be established rituals? When I go on psychedelic quests for betterment I have my own ritual, I burn some incense and play some monk chanting music on low volume in the background before I boof my psyches and let the journey commence, does that count?
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#26499799 - 02/23/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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You're overestimating that Colorado legal market. Lots of cats coming to Cali to buy packs because they can't produce enough over there.
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Ran-D]
#26499830 - 02/23/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh yeah I bet.
I’ve got a friend from Colorado that moved up here last year, he said the qualities gone to shit since it became legalized down there.. everyone flooding the market with mediocre bud.
Thankfully the quality has pretty much stayed the same as it always has up here, Price fluctuates from city to city but there’s always good bud available.
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: staytrippy420]
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its time for another big brain change
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: 1 3]
#26502479 - 02/25/20 12:49 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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yea ayahuasca and huachuma with a woman shaman healer u kno and a man healer shaman
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Brian Jones]
#26507585 - 02/28/20 03:51 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ran-D said: Legalizing cannabis backfired 100% (I knew it would), so why will legalizing mushrooms be any better?
Why do you say legalizing cannabis backfired?
I can't speak for everywhere, but in Illinois they already significantly increased the already high tax and there is no availability. This is the greatest thing that ever happened to the black market. It's like legalization became their advertising company.
Had a freind that was going to Chicago for the weekend. I was like bring me back some shop flower. Lol they didn't have any. I sold her an OZ when she got home.
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Bph]
#26508697 - 02/28/20 06:01 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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isnt OP about people taking within a ritualistic setting....... not about legalisation.... threads fo awol?
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: kn0wnr3m3dy]
#26508882 - 02/28/20 08:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes. The primary reason I commented was i was wondering why the hell anybody would sticky a thread created by someone with 3 posts. To me, based on my experience with this website, reputation means a lot. Trusting a random is asking a lot, sticky-ing their thread and asking the entire website to trust them is straight up crazy. They claimed research and name dropped a university, so fucking what?
Things spiraled off topic. I'll take the blame.
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Ran-D]
#26508903 - 02/28/20 09:04 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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We frequently assist with studies by legitimate students and researchers. Threads can only be made sticky by an admin, so if you see a global announcement it has been vetted and approved. I've added a notification at the top of the thread to help eliminate any confusion.
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Ythan]
#26508991 - 02/28/20 10:39 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: epuonderzoek96] 1
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Apparently they give out $5 grams of pure coke at churches here in Nicaragua, does that count? 
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: InfiniteDreams]
#26517208 - 03/04/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: faerie]
#26519853 - 03/06/20 01:09 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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but seriously tho OP's website looks like propaganda
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: cannabinated] 1
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My ritualistic setting = lock the doors, cross fingers, hope for the best.
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Stable Genius]
#26521535 - 03/07/20 01:32 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes, if solstice day 2019 from noon to about 9PM out in the woods counts !
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Ran-D]
#26521652 - 03/07/20 05:08 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ran-D said: "Hey guys, I know how pharma has literally lobbied to keep these things illegal for decades, and all the research you guys have done until now has been at the risk of your own freedom, but if you could just go ahead and hand all that info over so we can make some money off it when it's legal that'd be grrreat."
Mushrooms only disappear due to habitat destruction, luckily Psilocybes seem to follow us regardless so I'm not worried about that. But I promise strains (yes, strain is a real term when it comes to fungi) will be patented. Cultivation will be tightly regulated and maybe more illegal than it is now.
Why, exactly, do we need some college cats to tell us all what we already know?
Sorry thinking critically offends some people. But faith that any part of the system has their heart in the right place and wants to help people is something I lack.
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Ran-D said: "Hey guys, I know how pharma has literally lobbied to keep these things illegal for decades, and all the research you guys have done until now has been at the risk of your own freedom, but if you could just go ahead and hand all that info over so we can make some money off it when it's legal that'd be grrreat."
Mushrooms only disappear due to habitat destruction, luckily Psilocybes seem to follow us regardless so I'm not worried about that. But I promise strains (yes, strain is a real term when it comes to fungi) will be patented. Cultivation will be tightly regulated and maybe more illegal than it is now.
Why, exactly, do we need some college cats to tell us all what we already know?
Sorry thinking critically offends some people. But faith that any part of the system has their heart in the right place and wants to help people is something I lack.
With you there dude. How have we managed to cope the last few thousand years?
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Ran-D]
#26532497 - 03/13/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ran-D said: Why is thread from someone with three posts and a 0 rating stickied? Why should anyone on this website contribute to this?
I'm sorry for bumping this but i only just saw this now. I just want to make it clear that general ratings are general and open to interpretation, eg they're meaningless. I was one of the two people that left bad feedbackd. I did it with no malice and expected everyone to brush it off in jest but i guess i was wrong. To be clear, I have no issues with epuonderzoek96 or the services that the account in question seemingly promote.
I left the rating due to periodical phase in my life where i felt obliged to disengage with any advertising body. I still relate in some regards but i've learnt to be more understanding too. I hope i can continue to see the light on all trails from here on.
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Magenta]
#26533310 - 03/13/20 06:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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What are the visuals of orb things that form a grid and when you look at one orb the others disappear and then a bright white light shoots into your head/eyes/mind. I still have yet to figure this one out. Only happened to me one time in the woods around a camp fire listening to the whole 'Beatles Sergeant Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band' on a battery powered boombox. I was a teenager in high school then. All my other friends had the same occurrence. One went all the way and stated he was in an alternate dimension at the same place with us all but different. Crazy stuff.
EDIT: I do not think any type of research could explain this fantasy. Good luck at the pill I guess...
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: BotanyChild]
#26535057 - 03/14/20 03:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I used to use for depression issues but I've run out and haven't grown in a couple years. Another reason I've signed up to the shroomery to have better access to the info I need to get back to growing again.
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Naturesystem]
#26542074 - 03/18/20 06:20 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I haven't done this yet. Might gonna try soon lol
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: NipFantasy]
#26545415 - 03/19/20 07:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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defentily a lil funner in in the woods
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: epuonderzoek96] 1
#26547780 - 03/20/20 10:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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When the professor's start having personal experiences with mushrooms, they will actually have something to profess, until such time the information conveyed and/or analyzed will be second hand information filtered through personal perspective of momentary opinions and nothing more.
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#26547966 - 03/21/20 01:38 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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george castanza said: When the professor's start having personal experiences with mushrooms, they will actually have something to profess, until such time the information conveyed and/or analyzed will be second hand information filtered through personal perspective of momentary opinions and nothing more.
Exactly. These people wondering could take mushrooms themselves and gain better results than asking online accounts about their experiences. I was in this thread earlier talking about black market cannabis but inquiring minds have access to mushrooms given a little bit of time. Studies on secondhand experiences are pointless.
I mean, imagine a psychology professor or a private-practice psychologist/psychiatrist taking mushrooms and answering their own questions. Questions that we as hobbyists or Medicinal users wouldn’t even think to ask. Could be a real good place to start
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: jbgtaa]
#26548460 - 03/21/20 09:24 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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george castanza said: When the professor's start having personal experiences with mushrooms, they will actually have something to profess, until such time the information conveyed and/or analyzed will be second hand information filtered through personal perspective of momentary opinions and nothing more.
Exactly. These people wondering could take mushrooms themselves and gain better results than asking online accounts about their experiences. I was in this thread earlier talking about black market cannabis but inquiring minds have access to mushrooms given a little bit of time. Studies on secondhand experiences are pointless.
I mean, imagine a psychology professor or a private-practice psychologist/psychiatrist taking mushrooms and answering their own questions. Questions that we as hobbyists or Medicinal users wouldn’t even think to ask. Could be a real good place to start 
Ya, I mean Timothy Leary took the acid himself right?
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: jbgtaa]
#26550137 - 03/22/20 03:13 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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george castanza said: When the professor's start having personal experiences with mushrooms, they will actually have something to profess, until such time the information conveyed and/or analyzed will be second hand information filtered through personal perspective of momentary opinions and nothing more.
Exactly. These people wondering could take mushrooms themselves and gain better results than asking online accounts about their experiences. I was in this thread earlier talking about black market cannabis but inquiring minds have access to mushrooms given a little bit of time. Studies on secondhand experiences are pointless.
I mean, imagine a psychology professor or a private-practice psychologist/psychiatrist taking mushrooms and answering their own questions. Questions that we as hobbyists or Medicinal users wouldn’t even think to ask. Could be a real good place to start 
Who is to say that they haven't? I'm sure most wont admit it due to social stigma.
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: madmodder] 1
#26550528 - 03/22/20 09:22 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you're afraid to admit you've done mushrooms then you are not worthy of studying them, sorry.
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Ran-D]
#26552407 - 03/23/20 05:49 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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More research just means more potential for a bunch of suits to put the shit in pill form and force people to consume it in a lab setting.
I'm fine consuming mine illegally in the woods.
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: digixpjaipur1990]
#26552718 - 03/23/20 09:37 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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digixpjaipur1990 said: More research just means more potential for a bunch of suits to put the shit in pill form and force people to consume it in a lab setting.
I'm fine consuming mine illegally in the woods.
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digixpjaipur1990 said: More research just means more potential for a bunch of suits to put the shit in pill form and force people to consume it in a lab setting.
I'm fine consuming mine illegally in the woods.
rotfl, a lot of people saying saying this...
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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: BotanyChild]
#26552720 - 03/23/20 09:39 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Great first post.
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