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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Ran-D] * 1
    #26496876 - 02/21/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Legalizing cannabis backfired 100% (I knew it would), so why will legalizing mushrooms be any better?




Why do you say legalizing cannabis backfired?


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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: MLPismyOPSEC] * 1
    #26496894 - 02/21/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I’m in Canada so I can only speak of what I see up here.
They shit the bed on the cannabis thing because..

1. It’s not affordable for people who need to be medicated all the time.

2. The growers salaries are suffering because of the new regulations, testing, and packaging cost a lot of money. 150 grand just to get a legal grow started (legal fees and licenses, that’s before you even put any plants in the dirt)

3. The little growers are getting pushed out because they dint have the financial backing that the big companies do.

4. They put tax on it :lol: this is a big one for me.. it’s been tax free for a 100 years.
... I’m not about to start paying tax on my flowers.

5. There’s a supply in demand issue, there’s not enough legal cannabis for how many people there is in Canada.. therefore the price goes up.

But with all that being said I still see the benefit in having legal cannabis stores, people who never would of smoked before are able to get all the legal medication they needed.. not a big deal for someone like me, but for someone who doesn’t believe in breaking the law this is huge. 

Not to mention convenience, people can grab there weed in minutes and not have to wait for a dealer or friend to show up on their own time.. again doesn’t effect me but I see the benefit.

They should of decriminalized instead of legalizing... Everyone is supper happy they can grow plants at home without being harassed.... but not so stoked about the government taking their piece of the pie.


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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: staytrippy420] * 3
    #26496932 - 02/21/20 12:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Pretty much the same here. Lots of empty promises about supporting small growers and individual rights during the ballot phase. All that instantly changed after passing. Most counties here banned personal cultivation even though it was promised, or forced it indoors. Lobbyists from corporate brands influenced this.

People who grew for decades and built the foundation for the rest of us are being pushed out by Chads and even worse by people who literally made their nut prosecuting cannabis in the past.

Product quality has gone down. Stores provide gimmicky bullshit that is all looks and no bang. And like you said, the taxes make them unaffordable. The few small farmers who make it through the gauntlet of fees and make it on the shelf have to drop their prices to make up for the insane taxes or nobody will buy their product. They cannot afford these losses. Corporate grows CAN afford these losses, they have three year plans for that kinda shit.

Plant patents are becoming a very real thing. Thank god Cannabis has been in the hands of the people for so long it's going to be a real battle for them to take everyone's genetics, but they are trying.

Its not that I'm against learning more, and of course I support the Shroomery and actual mycologists everywhere (even though some mycologists are squares who won't even address psychedelics).

Anyway, I am obviously a very cynical person and I hope nobody takes my tone personally (unless you're one of those Chad's I mentioned).


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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: feldman114] * 1
    #26496959 - 02/21/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I doubt it’s possible to describe any part of a mushroom trip to someone who has never taken one.





I think it is even difficult to describe it to people who have tripped. It's just so subjective.

Only when it gets possible to convey the experiences in a matter-of-factly manner, I believe
we are collectively going to get something productive out of these experiences. Until that
happens, it's basically a one-(wo)man peep show.

I mean, McKenna spent a lifetime trying, and though he essentially promoted it for literally a
whole world of would-be psychonauts and provided his audiences with some valid insights
and loads of good entertainment, I think people are still non the wiser, to be completely honest.

Although I find the shamanic approach to psychedelics both interesting and confounding, I don't
have the cultural background or beliefs needed to kind of comprehend it, other than seeing the
shaman as a sort of "trip director".


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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Ran-D] * 1
    #26497107 - 02/21/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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But I promise strains (yes, strain is a real term when it comes to fungi) will be patented. Cultivation will be tightly regulated and maybe more illegal than it is now





I'll still break the law and grow my own ain't gonna bother me. And it would be impossible to patent a mushroom strain. It would take thousands(millions) of patents.

Can you even patent a natural process? What's the topic of this thread?? Where am i?


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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Ran-D]
    #26497202 - 02/21/20 03:36 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Ran-D said:
Legalizing cannabis backfired 100% (I knew it would), so why will legalizing mushrooms be any better?



Wrong. Legalizing cannabis hasn’t backfired yet. Marlboro isn’t growing weed and neither is the govt. so it hasn’t backfired. Maybe soon, but not yet.


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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: jbgtaa]
    #26497212 - 02/21/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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mushboy said:
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Ran-D said:
But I promise strains (yes, strain is a real term when it comes to fungi) will be patented. Cultivation will be tightly regulated and maybe more illegal than it is now





I'll still break the law and grow my own ain't gonna bother me. And it would be impossible to patent a mushroom strain. It would take thousands(millions) of patents.

Can you even patent a natural process? What's the topic of this thread?? Where am i?



Microorganisms can and have been patented.

Also, some goober even patented the word Psilocybin for a chocolate company.


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Ran-D said:
Legalizing cannabis backfired 100% (I knew it would), so why will legalizing mushrooms be any better?



Wrong. Legalizing cannabis hasn’t backfired yet. Marlboro isn’t growing weed and neither is the govt. so it hasn’t backfired. Maybe soon, but not yet.



I shared a few reason why it did, and honestly there are many more but I would be going off topic if I listed them all.


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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Ran-D] * 1
    #26497286 - 02/21/20 04:45 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Ran-D said:
But I promise strains (yes, strain is a real term when it comes to fungi) will be patented. Cultivation will be tightly regulated and maybe more illegal than it is now





I'll still break the law and grow my own ain't gonna bother me. And it would be impossible to patent a mushroom strain. It would take thousands(millions) of patents.

Can you even patent a natural process? What's the topic of this thread?? Where am i?



Microorganisms can and have been patented.





A strain is what happens when two spores come together. 1 spore print can have billions of strains.

I dont think that process can have a patent. It would be like getting a patent for osmosis.

A variety tho is a different story.


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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: mushboy]
    #26497298 - 02/21/20 04:54 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Anyone who wants to learn about that topic can simply google it.


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    #26497771 - 02/21/20 09:46 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I agree with you on that BigPharma has and is fucking things up, Ran-D. But does that mean that no one should be allowed to do whatever research they want with mushrooms? Is the only goal with research legalisation? I'm not offended by critical thinking, but thought your reaction to this is more negative than just critical. I mean all forms of mushroom research is good and necessary. Well, maybe not so much this very study, fuck knows why they want to do it, but if they really want to do it, why not? People should be free to do whatever they want as long as they're not doing any harm. As I am free to not participate in this... Whatever study 😀


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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: MLPismyOPSEC] * 1
    #26498228 - 02/22/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Ran-D said:
Legalizing cannabis backfired 100% (I knew it would), so why will legalizing mushrooms be any better?




Why do you say legalizing cannabis backfired?




I can't speak for everywhere, but in Illinois they already significantly increased the already high tax and there is no availability. This is the greatest thing that ever happened to the black market. It's like legalization became their advertising company.


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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26498290 - 02/22/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

😂😂😂 that’s a good way to look at it.

The black market is thriving like never before up here to :lol:

No complaints from me.


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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Anglerfish] * 1
    #26498947 - 02/22/20 07:25 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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feldman114 said:
I doubt it’s possible to describe any part of a mushroom trip to someone who has never taken one.





I think it is even difficult to describe it to people who have tripped. It's just so subjective.




Explaining to someone from the 13th century what a car is may be difficult, but with enough time and consideration of variables they aren't aware of (like paved roads, engines and chemical rubber) you can start to paint the picture. Describing the psychedelic experience is similar in that it's hard to get the main ideas out there when the infrastructure of the experience (the roads) don't exist in that person's mind. Often we explain these things emotionally rather than logically and don't convey a shared experience so it comes out as an alien experience.

This is why the best way trips have been expressed has traditionally been through art and video, which convey the scenery rather than the thoughts, but can put you into a similar place to get an idea of the thoughts in question.


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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #26499458 - 02/23/20 06:21 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

dude wants to know about clandestine religious psychedelic ceremonies, and the first rule is don't talk about it with other (untrusted) people.


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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26499479 - 02/23/20 07:03 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Ran-D said:
Legalizing cannabis backfired 100% (I knew it would), so why will legalizing mushrooms be any better?




Why do you say legalizing cannabis backfired?




I can't speak for everywhere, but in Illinois they already significantly increased the already high tax and there is no availability. This is the greatest thing that ever happened to the black market. It's like legalization became their advertising company.




That is the fault of illinois legislature. It is happening all over. Look at nevada, they had shops open in months, mass took years and over taxed and still not widespread like colorado where theyre everywhere.

This is the problem with liberal states, they have so many things they have already spent the tax revenue before it rolls in that they cant help but jack the rate up

There was a good story about how post prohibition there was a similar situation where some states taxed the shit out of liquor and continued to have a thriving black market whereas iirc washington state taxed it very little, stamped out the black market and then slowly drove taxes up.

Legalization works fine if the legislatures would get out of the way and let the market take over. Look at colorado the legal market is so competitive the black market is only for shipping out of state


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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26499499 - 02/23/20 07:23 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Brian Jones said:
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MLPismyOPSEC said:
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Ran-D said:
Legalizing cannabis backfired 100% (I knew it would), so why will legalizing mushrooms be any better?




Why do you say legalizing cannabis backfired?




I can't speak for everywhere, but in Illinois they already significantly increased the already high tax and there is no availability. This is the greatest thing that ever happened to the black market. It's like legalization became their advertising company.




That is the fault of illinois legislature. It is happening all over. Look at nevada, they had shops open in months, mass took years and over taxed and still not widespread like colorado where theyre everywhere.

This is the problem with liberal states, they have so many things they have already spent the tax revenue before it rolls in that they cant help but jack the rate up

There was a good story about how post prohibition there was a similar situation where some states taxed the shit out of liquor and continued to have a thriving black market whereas iirc washington state taxed it very little, stamped out the black market and then slowly drove taxes up.

Legalization works fine if the legislatures would get out of the way and let the market take over. Look at colorado the legal market is so competitive the black market is only for shipping out of state



actually, democratic legislatures are far more fiscally conservative than republican counterparts. the math supports it in almost every case. you can look back throuh the records of past presidents and see the narrative regurgitated by republicans about democrats taxing and spending is 100% bullshit.


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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: KinokoKomodo]
    #26499508 - 02/23/20 07:45 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

So many tinfoil hats whenever universities want to do studies :rolleyes:

@OP
Do the ceremonies have to be established rituals? When I go on psychedelic quests for betterment I have my own ritual, I burn some incense and play some monk chanting music on low volume in the background before I boof my psyches and let the journey commence, does that count?


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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26499799 - 02/23/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You're overestimating that Colorado legal market. Lots of cats coming to Cali to buy packs because they can't produce enough over there.


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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: Ran-D]
    #26499830 - 02/23/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Oh yeah I bet.

I’ve got a friend from Colorado that moved up here last year, he said the qualities gone to shit since it became legalized down there.. everyone flooding the market with mediocre bud.

Thankfully the quality has pretty much stayed the same as it always has up here, 
Price fluctuates from city to city but there’s always good bud available.


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Re: Have you taken a psychedelic in a ritualistic setting in the past 6 months? [Re: staytrippy420]
    #26500798 - 02/24/20 01:40 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

its time for another big brain change


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