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Doc9151
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Question for the community
#26493903 - 02/19/20 06:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have been wanting to create a thread solely dedicated to data collection for Psilocybe cubensis, just to name a few of the parameters that I want: date, General location, humidity, number of days since last rain, substrate just to name a few. There are several observation fields I will include in order to gather as much information as possible. My intentions is to have a place a novice can find all the information that they need to be successful. I want to break myths about hunting cubensis, such as you have to hunt at night or only when its raining. This thread will show a variety of conditions this species can be found to exist.
So, do you folks feel like this could be something useful or a waste of time?
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Re: Question for the community [Re: Doc9151]
#26493967 - 02/19/20 07:21 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think itd be very useful.
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I am not in Cube land, but I think it'd be awesome! Your idea reeks of hard science, and that's why I love it!
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Re: Question for the community [Re: Grosbeak]
#26494072 - 02/19/20 08:45 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm All For It, I Think That Is A Fantastic Idea. I've Always Thought That The Psilocybe Cubensis Page Here On The Shroomery Right Now Is Lacking A Great Deal Of Information.
I Would Enjoy Contributing To The Thread. That's A Deal For Me Doc, You Make The Thread & This Season I Will Round Up Some Detailed Info About Psilocybe Cubensis.
Last Year I Witnessed Some Fascinating Things About Cubes That I've Never Seen, Read Or Heard About. I'm Sure This Season Will Provide Just As Many Wild Observations.
I'll Make Sure To Provide Multiple, Good, Clear Habitat Pictures & All Information Pertaining To The Weather & Everything Else Throughout The Entire Season.
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Re: Question for the community [Re: MpSeph]
#26494081 - 02/19/20 08:56 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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All in brother
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Re: Question for the community [Re: HAKR ELITE]
#26494173 - 02/19/20 10:18 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sounds cool. I can only contribute by posting the conditions in my closet though.
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Re: Question for the community [Re: breeg89]
#26494216 - 02/19/20 11:05 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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breeg89 said: Sounds cool. I can only contribute by posting the conditions in my closet though.
A closed but secure ecosystem?
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Re: Question for the community [Re: Doc9151]
#26494415 - 02/20/20 04:47 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Doc9151 said: a few of the parameters that I want: date, General location, humidity, number of days since last rain, substrate just to name a few. There are several observation fields I will include in order to gather as much information as possible.
You should make an elaborate standard form that people can fill out when they're out hunting the species. The challenge is to get people to actually do this, and do it properly, since most hunters of Psilocybe species mainly have in mind to collect as many mushrooms as possible, and will have little time to gather data, let alone getting it down correctly.
But worth a try, I guess, if you at least get a few participants in each region where the species grows. I'd suggest you start off collecting relevant data on your own hunts and post the results so people can get a grip on the procedure.
For myself, when hunting any species of mushrooms, I will always take "notes" in my mind of various factors, like for instance:
-did I find these here before, and if not, how far away from here was my last find in this area
-if I found them here before, were they less or more plentiful previously, and do they appear to be expanding their appearance on the locality
-take notes on first fruits, including when they were found, size/weight, intervals between fruitings etc.
-do they keep fruiting steadily through weather shifts, if not, do they reappear again if conditions are favourable
-follow the temps and humidity conditions (day-to-day) vigorously (I do this all year regardless, trying to anticipate the coming season)
There are so many factors involved though, I personally think it is difficult to gather all data in written form, as much of it is often based on general observations which might not be seen as significant at the moment they're done, but taken into consideration at a later point. Thus I believe it is a project that needs to be built over a period of time. I mean the relevance will be more obvious after a handful of seasons.
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Re: Question for the community [Re: Anglerfish]
#26495809 - 02/20/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I agree that this is a long term project, here's a sample of what I have so far, but will be updating it as I review my notes to include any other parameters that have so far been left out.
Date:
Time found: morning, afternoon or evening/night time.
Temperature: (If temperature is at freezing or below, how many days have temperatures been at or below freezing?)
are temperatures at or above 95°f?
General location (do not post exact location) nearest town or city:
# of days since last rain: (If recently rained, how many successive days did it rain?):
fog ( yes or no):
Humidity:
Substrate: Cow manure, Horse manure, compost or soil.
Area found: Tall (deep, thick) grass, open pasture, Short grass, under tree(s) , leaf litter etc.
method of collection: cutting or pulling
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Edited by Doc9151 (02/20/20 06:42 PM)
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Re: Question for the community [Re: Doc9151]
#26496376 - 02/21/20 02:30 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Location: Sa Pa district, Lao Cai province, Vietnam. Elevation: 900-1100 meters. Habitat: Along village roads through rice paddies and rain forest. Last hunt: February 5th. Tima of day: Morning-afternoon. Last rain prior to hunt: 6 days. Humidity drops to about 100% at nights, leaving the ground wet. Hardly a night without fog. Temperature: About 11-15°C. Most mushrooms had been gone for three weeks due to cold weather, 5-10°C, and too much rain. Pan.cyanescens was still possible to find, but they were scarce. They seem to handle cold weather a little better than cubes, at least in this area. Size: Pileus; 6-11cm, stipe; 6-10cm tall, 8-12mm thick. Substrate: Buffalo dung. Only in the driest and sunniest spots.
The rest of the year is much better and they grow most places, though still rather rare. Found only 8 specimens this hunt, along with a half decent amount if pans and one single p.subaeriguinascens.
Is this helpful? Will go for another hunt shortly as the weather's been better lately. Is these spring cubes subcubensis? I read somewhere that subcubensis fruits mainly in the spring. They don't usually grow as big as in summer and autumn, but I guess the weather is mostly responsible. Found my smallest mature cube this December, 15mm across the cap 😀
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Re: Question for the community [Re: Doc9151]
#26496470 - 02/21/20 05:44 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm interested in going further - bring a hygrometer to the location, and if possible also measure the pH and temperature in the substrate.
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Re: Question for the community [Re: Anglerfish]
#26496533 - 02/21/20 07:18 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Anglerfish said: I'm interested in going further - bring a hygrometer to the location, and if possible also measure the pH and temperature in the substrate.
This is something I want to do for sure, temperature, ph and water content are areas that I think would be beneficial to the cultivation folks as well.
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Re: Question for the community [Re: Doc9151]
#26499977 - 02/23/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think including an open poll with yes or no answers would be helpful for the members that do not carry a notebook or anything into the field but want to provide useful information. something like
Was fog or dew present or observed in the habitat?
are the mushrooms growing directly from dung?
are the mushrooms growing from: Horse dung? cow dung? soil? compost?
is there standing water visualized in the substrate? etc etc.
Making this a 2 part data collection using a poll and a standardized survey sheet should provide ample data on the species that will be easy to understand and useful to both the amateur and professional alike.
I would appreciate help from the community in the form of ideas or parameters that should be included in the data collection.
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  Psilocybe cubensis data collection thread. please help with this project if you hunt wild cubensis. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=26513593&page=0&vc=1#26513593
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