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Does anyone like to ponder deep philosophical questions during their trips? * 1
    #26493025 - 02/19/20 08:34 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Today, I'm going in on 3.5g of golden teachers and and I plan on journaling / documenting my trip for the first time. I want to go in to the experience with some deep questions or ideas to think about when I'm in a state of enhanced perspective. Does anyone else do this? What are some questions or topics you like to ponder whilst tripping?

So far the questions I have are:
- what's more obscure; the thought of extraterrestrial life or being completely alone in the universe?

-did human DNA drift through space from a different planet and eventually land on earth? If so I what is our ancestors home planet is like

- what is outside of the universe?

- are mushrooms celestial beings?

- does psilocybin make you trip as a defence mechanism against predators?

- where did I put that joint I rolled last night?

Thanks for reading everyone! See you on the other side🍄✌


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Re: Does anyone like to ponder deep philosophical questions during their trips? [Re: TokeItUp12] * 1
    #26493044 - 02/19/20 08:48 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Mushrooms are basically my Holodeck program with Aristotle, Nietzsche, Rumi, Lao Tzu, and Carl Sagan all waiting there to continue our discussion.

I don't necessarily go into my trips with questions in mind, but my mind always has a backlog of things I've pondered, so, I have a bit of a pool to splash around in.

Psilocin is a defense from insects.
"In the basic and oxidative environment of insect guts,
such compounds act as producers of reactive oxygen species
and can thus create intestinal lesions which is presumably their
main mode of toxic action.. "

I don't think mushrooms had us in mind when they developed that. It's just something we (kind of) benefit from.


Edited by footpath (02/19/20 10:20 AM)


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Re: Does anyone like to ponder deep philosophical questions during their trips? [Re: footpath] * 1
    #26493121 - 02/19/20 09:43 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Serotonin and psilocin are so chemically similar though!


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Re: Does anyone like to ponder deep philosophical questions during their trips? [Re: TokeItUp12] * 1
    #26493166 - 02/19/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I have only tried this alone, so from my perspective I think it would work better if there are two of you. Many years ago I used to take LSD with my ex, and the back end of those trips were always spent discussing such philosophical concepts. I remember one discussion centring around the number 3; we came to the conclusion that everything in the universe boiled down to the number 3. We had some convincing arguments that night, though cannot remember them now!

About a year ago, I made up a number of cards with questions on them and left them lying around the house to spark analysis as and when I came across them. The messages I prepared are as follows (think I might have robbed them from Google!):-

  • What is your happiest childhood memory? Why is it so special?
  • Where do thoughts come from?
  • If everybody you know is going to die tomorrow, who would you visit today?
  • Is there a reason to life?
  • If you replaced every part of a ship, is it still the same ship? (Related to human cells replacing themselves something like every 7 years - are you still you?)
  • Do you know what real evil is? Do you know what real good is?


When I’m tripping alone, I find it hard to maintain an intention, and generally don’t fight a trip, I’ll instead “go with the flow”. So might have to try the above list again, if and when I find someone to trip with......

Mush love
DJ Ed


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Re: Does anyone like to ponder deep philosophical questions during their trips? [Re: footpath]
    #26493168 - 02/19/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Is that true, footpath? I ask because the amount of maggots you often get in picked liberty caps can be huge!

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Re: Does anyone like to ponder deep philosophical questions during their trips? [Re: TokeItUp12]
    #26493177 - 02/19/20 10:31 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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TokeItUp12 said:
- what's more obscure; the thought of extraterrestrial life or being completely alone in the universe? Being alone, freaks me the heck out!

- what is outside of the universe? A cold, dark, and lonely void, beyond god. I went there 33 years ago and have suffered existential distress more or less since.

- are mushrooms celestial beings? Yes. They’re beautiful beings.

- where did I put that joint I rolled last night? Found it months later down the side of the settee. As I’d given up cigarettes for 8 months I threw it in the bin. Then when wifey went to bed. I dug it out of the bin and smoked it. Within a week I was back full time smoking cigarettes 🤬






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Re: Does anyone like to ponder deep philosophical questions during their trips? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26493181 - 02/19/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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InfiniteDreams said:
Serotonin and psilocin are so chemically similar though!



Oh, right. Aliens.
Aliens definitely implanted the code for serotonin into our DNA and brought these cosmic lifeforms as a tool to keep us from discovering their meddlings on our primitive planet.

Or.... y'know... metabolism.

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DJ Ed said:
Is that true, footpath? I ask because the amount of maggots you often get in picked liberty caps can be huge!




That's the standing theory:

https://sci-hub.tw/https://doi.org/10.1002/anie.201910175


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Re: Does anyone like to ponder deep philosophical questions during their trips? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26493264 - 02/19/20 11:37 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

DJ Ed said:
I have only tried this alone, so from my perspective I think it would work better if there are two of you. Many years ago I used to take LSD with my ex, and the back end of those trips were always spent discussing such philosophical concepts. I remember one discussion centring around the number 3; we came to the conclusion that everything in the universe boiled down to the number 3. We had some convincing arguments that night, though cannot remember them now!

About a year ago, I made up a number of cards with questions on them and left them lying around the house to spark analysis as and when I came across them. The messages I prepared are as follows (think I might have robbed them from Google!):-

  • What is your happiest childhood memory? Why is it so special?
  • Where do thoughts come from?
  • If everybody you know is going to die tomorrow, who would you visit today?
  • Is there a reason to life?
  • If you replaced every part of a ship, is it still the same ship? (Related to human cells replacing themselves something like every 7 years - are you still you?)
  • Do you know what real evil is? Do you know what real good is?


When I’m tripping alone, I find it hard to maintain an intention, and generally don’t fight a trip, I’ll instead “go with the flow”. So might have to try the above list again, if and when I find someone to trip with......

Mush love
DJ Ed




Those are some awesome questions that get me really thinking even sober. I will also have my SO with me to trip sit but she will be sober. This is typically the case and she does a good job at helping me steer my trip because she knows me so well. And it's funny that I've wondered the same thing about cell reproduction and us being completely new physical beings after 7 years.


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Re: Does anyone like to ponder deep philosophical questions during their trips? [Re: footpath] * 1
    #26493295 - 02/19/20 11:51 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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footpath said:
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InfiniteDreams said:
Serotonin and psilocin are so chemically similar though!



Oh, right. Aliens.
Aliens definitely implanted the code for serotonin into our DNA and brought these cosmic lifeforms as a tool to keep us from discovering their meddlings on our primitive planet.

Or.... y'know... metabolism.






I had no idea there were only those two options.


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Re: Does anyone like to ponder deep philosophical questions during their trips? [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26493351 - 02/19/20 12:25 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

:themoreyouknow:
:thelessyouknow:


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Re: Does anyone like to ponder deep philosophical questions during their trips? [Re: footpath] * 1
    #26493416 - 02/19/20 01:19 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Does anyone like to ponder deep philosophical questions during their trips? [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26493428 - 02/19/20 01:30 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I always try to be introspective, but I always go nuts in my trips and forget about it pretty easily.


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Re: Does anyone like to ponder deep philosophical questions during their trips? [Re: ankardo] * 1
    #26493480 - 02/19/20 02:11 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

:whathesaid:

A lot of what you intend to bring into a trip just goes right out the window when the experience actually starts.

Anything "profound" that I ponder during a trip arises within the trip itself and not before. Meaning, whatever I learned I didn't consciously intend to develop during the trip, it just sort of happened.

But I'm a big proponent of just letting the trip organically happen. I've tried to "control" a trip, set intentions or what to think about, etc, all to be plowed into the floor and forget everything I planned as the giggles arise on the come up.


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Re: Does anyone like to ponder deep philosophical questions during their trips? [Re: ankardo]
    #26493493 - 02/19/20 02:13 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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what's more obscure; the thought of extraterrestrial life or being completely alone in the universe?



Being alone for sure... infinite worlds, infinite possibilities.  And we only have a small number of senses, life/entities/whatever could exist that we have no ability to perceive.
Quote:

did human DNA drift through space from a different planet and eventually land on earth? If so I what is our ancestors home planet is like



Fun thought but I think we evolved right here on earth.
Quote:

what is outside of the universe?



Gotta call it the known universe.  A paradoxical question, it boggles the mind.
Quote:

are mushrooms celestial beings?



Yes, atoms are fused by the stars so we come from stardust.  Can spores survive intergalactic space?  People claim freezing temps here on our own planet kill spores, so likelihood is that they evolved alongside humanity.  A terrestrial companion.
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does psilocybin make you trip as a defence mechanism against predators?



I only wish all my enemies wanted me to trip balls.
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where did I put that joint I rolled last night?



Got you covered right here


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Re: Does anyone like to ponder deep philosophical questions during their trips? [Re: TokeItUp12]
    #26493577 - 02/19/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Philosophy?  Nah.  Too much other stuff going on to get lost in that.  :cookiemonster:


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Re: Does anyone like to ponder deep philosophical questions during their trips? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26493582 - 02/19/20 03:10 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Sometimes just staring at my hand is philosophy enough.


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Re: Does anyone like to ponder deep philosophical questions during their trips? [Re: Shr00mEater]
    #26493589 - 02/19/20 03:13 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Hands are deep.

I think most of my philosophy comes in when things start winding down.
As primal said - when you're in the thick of it, there's too much other shit going on to really concern yourself with much other than hands.


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Re: Does anyone like to ponder deep philosophical questions during their trips? [Re: Shr00mEater]
    #26493625 - 02/19/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Sometimes something seems so profound on mushrooms that you write it down and when you wake up the next day you find it’s not quite so mind blowing. Or, equally likely, gibberish


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Re: Does anyone like to ponder deep philosophical questions during their trips? [Re: CosmicGiggle]
    #26493631 - 02/19/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Does anyone like to ponder deep philosophical questions during their trips? [Re: footpath]
    #26493652 - 02/19/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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footpath said:
Hands are deep.

I think most of my philosophy comes in when things start winding down.
As primal said - when you're in the thick of it, there's too much other shit going on to really concern yourself with much other than hands.





Yeah, that's an afterglow sort of thing, contemplation of ineffables.  The majesty of life, interconnections, that sort of thing.


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Re: Does anyone like to ponder deep philosophical questions during their trips? [Re: PrimalSoup] * 1
    #26494504 - 02/20/20 06:41 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I go into trips with zero intentions. I weigh the dose, take the dose, make sure I'm somewhere safe and comfy.. and let the trip unfold itself. Things get crazy.. but then I will get these thoughts that rain upon me, thinking about each one but not clinging - talking to.. myself.. or the mushrooms?

Not sure. But I definitely have full on conversation with myself. My latest trip was how much things have changed over the course of 10/12 years.. that we are all pretty much cyborgs now. Everything's on a screen. Newspaper is foreign. Just weird shit of such. I was thinking about how happy I lived the last generation before technology took over.

Having to go and knock at a friends house to see if they could come out and play.. look for the big batch of bikes hanging out near a lot to know where your friends were at. I was riding this memory lane and was so extremely grateful.

Another thought that came across to me was : it's okay to be selfish. If you don't want to do something (example) - it was a family members birthday party. I didn't want to go because I had a long day and wanted to go to the gym and enjoy my day how I wanted to. I didn't end up going. I thought about this in my trip and said "THAT'S OKAY". Life's short. Do what YOU want to do, even if it doesn't make others happy. You're not obligated.

These were all things I confronted without any intentions. They just come to me and I have these conversations with myself.. with such depth and clarity - better than most conversations I have with other people.

Sounds like I'm crazy. Even when typing this it sounds crazy. But under a good amount of mushrooms, you're introducing your subconscious within your current awareness - it does make for a hell of an awakening as well as a conversation.


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Re: Does anyone like to ponder deep philosophical questions during their trips? [Re: CosmicGiggle]
    #26494513 - 02/20/20 06:51 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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CosmicGiggle said:
Sometimes something seems so profound on mushrooms that you write it down and when you wake up the next day you find it’s not quite so mind blowing. Or, equally likely, gibberish




And then sometimes, 10 years down the road, you dig up that old note while deep-cleaning and it all clicks.
Your mind has a moment reminiscent bewilderment. Only this time, thanks to seasoning of your mind, you're able to aptly correlate it to the facets of being that it's compatible to.
Some things make more sense now, all thanks to this stupid easter egg you decided to hide from yourself.
You find yourself giving your past self a little more credit than he might have given himself.


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Re: Does anyone like to ponder deep philosophical questions during their trips? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26494530 - 02/20/20 07:09 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Vibe_Enthusiast said:
I go into trips with zero intentions. I weigh the dose, take the dose, make sure I'm somewhere safe and comfy.. and let the trip unfold itself. Things get crazy.. but then I will get these thoughts that rain upon me, thinking about each one but not clinging - talking to.. myself.. or the mushrooms?




I always feel like people misinterpret the meaning of intention. It's not my intention to correct them, because whatever interpretation works for you, works.
But I think 'intention' simply just means to have purposeful and deliberate action - allow yourself some direction so to not let yourself stray too far away from a desired course, or, worse, get caught in a loop.
In other words, follow the setting sun to end up west, but take whatever trails that might provoke your intrigue along the way. This will keep you from walking in circles or landing east of where you started.

It seems like people tend to interpret it as something more like, 'On this trip, I will approach and focus on __, and everything I experience will be pertinent to __.' Which can of course work and be helpful, but it's really not the nature of the effects of these substances a lot of the time.


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Re: Does anyone like to ponder deep philosophical questions during their trips? [Re: footpath]
    #26494722 - 02/20/20 09:07 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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footpath said:
Quote:

Vibe_Enthusiast said:
I go into trips with zero intentions. I weigh the dose, take the dose, make sure I'm somewhere safe and comfy.. and let the trip unfold itself. Things get crazy.. but then I will get these thoughts that rain upon me, thinking about each one but not clinging - talking to.. myself.. or the mushrooms?




I always feel like people misinterpret the meaning of intention. It's not my intention to correct them, because whatever interpretation works for you, works.
But I think 'intention' simply just means to have purposeful and deliberate action - allow yourself some direction so to not let yourself stray too far away from a desired course, or, worse, get caught in a loop.
In other words, follow the setting sun to end up west, but take whatever trails that might provoke your intrigue along the way. This will keep you from walking in circles or landing east of where you started.

It seems like people tend to interpret it as something more like, 'On this trip, I will approach and focus on __, and everything I experience will be pertinent to __.' Which can of course work and be helpful, but it's really not the nature of the effects of these substances a lot of the time.




I think you're right.

I think intention and expectation get tangled in these discussions. I think everyone has some basic intentions when they go on such an experience (healing, meeting the transcendental, just a fun time, etc). However, when those intentions become expectations, i.e I expect to see OEV's on my 4g dose or I must heal this or that trauma on this dose, is when the experience starts to diminish (especially when expectations aren't met).


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Re: Does anyone like to ponder deep philosophical questions during their trips? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26494824 - 02/20/20 10:08 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

For sure.
You hear so often of people being disappointed or underwhelmed by their experience, and that would be where a different interpretation of 'intention' (one without the attached expectations) might be helpful in appreciating whatever your experience had to offer you.


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Re: Does anyone like to ponder deep philosophical questions during their trips? [Re: footpath]
    #26494875 - 02/20/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I’m tending towards all of you guys 👍🏻

I’ve tried a few times unsuccessfully setting intentions. A recent failure that was also a success was simply to bring some objects along with me on the trip and look at them. I read so much in so many places about people looking at flowers, crystals, photos, etc. So one trip just before Christmas, I got my collection of crystals in a bowl and a collection of shells. Had to deliberately make myself open my eyes to look at the,. I even had my reading glasses on ready. But imagine my disappointment; the crystals were blurry as heck and I could not focus on them. And what made matters worse was they seemed to be overwritten with shed loads of minute hieroglyphic like symbols, also there were plan views of Aztec cities all over them. So that actually looked pretty cool, even though I didn’t see any “crystal”!

I have only ever set an intention once that I’ve stuck to and has been resolved during a trip. For a couple of weeks leading up to the trip I was researching depression treatment with psilocybin and watching loads of videos etc. Got a plan from watching a Rosalind Watts video on the UK studies. And as she warned, the trip got real scary so I did what she suggested:

I told the mushrooms that I had come to them for help, so why didn’t they help me. The intensity calmed down, I put headphones on and Hawkwind Space Ritual, shut my eyes for 3 hours, and travelled back in my head to the 20 year old me that was just discovering psychedelics. And working through my 45 years of depression, since I was 8!, the mushrooms taught me valuable lessons.

My depression was non-existent for 11 months. It started to come back, but recent trips with no intentions just gave me really frigging great after-glows. I no longer consider myself depressed.

So adding to you guys,  I don’t use intentions anymore; the trips are rewarding enough by just letting them take you where they want. But I recognise the value in using mushrooms as therapy in which set and setting are totally geared towards that intention and then discipline is maintained in the trip so as to focus your thoughts on your intention.

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Re: Does anyone like to ponder deep philosophical questions during their trips? [Re: footpath]
    #26495351 - 02/20/20 02:44 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Oh, right. Aliens.
Aliens definitely implanted the code for serotonin into our DNA and brought these cosmic lifeforms as a tool to keep us from discovering their meddlings on our primitive planet.

Or.... y'know... metabolism.





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Re: Does anyone like to ponder deep philosophical questions during their trips? [Re: TokeItUp12]
    #26495355 - 02/20/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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TokeItUp12 said:
Today, I'm going in on 3.5g of golden teachers and and I plan on journaling / documenting my trip for the first time. I want to go in to the experience with some deep questions or ideas to think about when I'm in a state of enhanced perspective. Does anyone else do this? What are some questions or topics you like to ponder whilst tripping?

So far the questions I have are:
- what's more obscure; the thought of extraterrestrial life or being completely alone in the universe?

-did human DNA drift through space from a different planet and eventually land on earth? If so I what is our ancestors home planet is like

- what is outside of the universe?

- are mushrooms celestial beings?

- does psilocybin make you trip as a defence mechanism against predators?

- where did I put that joint I rolled last night?

Thanks for reading everyone! See you on the other side🍄✌




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