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Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories * 1
    #26492820 - 02/19/20 04:46 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Your memories may be false if you try to recall events you witnessed while high on marijuana, a new study suggests.

It found that taking just one hit of the drug doubled people's number of false memories of a virtual reality scenario, CNN reported.

A false memory is one that didn't actually occur or one that differs from the way an event actually happened, often influenced by suggestions from other people.

"We are all prone to the formation of false memories, independent of cannabis use," said study author Johannes Ramaekers, a professor of psychopharmacology at Maastricht University, The Netherlands, CNN reported.

"The susceptibility for false memory, however, increases with cannabis. Under cannabis, users can easily accept fake truths for true memory," Ramaekers said.

With increasing legalization of marijuana in the United States, a resulting rise in false memories could affect people's family, work and social lives, as well as criminal investigations, CNN reported.


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Primal Glitch] * 1
    #26492992 - 02/19/20 08:08 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I also think that the computer age and the way these comps are changing human interaction/thinking/being it may be a factor as well.


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26493101 - 02/19/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I don't remember ever using a computer or smoking weed, so I wouldn't know :shrug2:


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Primal Glitch]
    #26493119 - 02/19/20 09:42 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Primal Glitch] * 2
    #26493664 - 02/19/20 04:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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With increasing legalization of marijuana in the United States, a resulting rise in false memories could affect people's family, work and social lives, as well as criminal investigations, CNN reported.




Who actually gives a shit? Alcohol does the same thing and you dont here people complaining about it being legal. Seriously people who set out on a sutdy with the main goal in mind to prove how bad weed is are fucking ridiculous. Be unbiased while doing your damn research.


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: trvptamine] * 1
    #26493702 - 02/19/20 04:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Unbiased like you?


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Primal Glitch]
    #26494020 - 02/19/20 08:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

sounds like a bunch of kids smoking mids claiming they runtz they lives up????


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: ElHongo] * 1
    #26494101 - 02/19/20 09:20 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

That's because smoking marijuana increases your imaginative creativity.


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: morrowasted]
    #26494548 - 02/20/20 07:25 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I wish the word "marijuana" wasn't used at all.:sad::mad2:


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: ElHongo]
    #26495055 - 02/20/20 12:11 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I only copied that story cause it's short and reads easily. I agree it's kinda half assed.
For anyone interested in the actual study, click the second link


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Enlil]
    #26496885 - 02/21/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Unbiased like you?



Im not the person conducting the study am I? I dont need to be unbiased.


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: trvptamine] * 1
    #26496898 - 02/21/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

The only reason you think it's a biased study is because it conflicts with your personal bias.


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Enlil]
    #26497089 - 02/21/20 02:28 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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The only reason you think it's a biased study is because it conflicts with your personal bias.



Thats definitely not true.
I completely agree with the study on the fact that weed can help create false memories. And I never said that I didnt. I think the article is biased because it makes a big deal out of weeds false memory inducing potential when the most popular drug that is already legal (alcohol) can cause complete memory blackouts. Hence why I quoted the part of the article that I did.

Dont get me wrong I am biased and in favor of marijuana to alcohol. But the article is obviously biased as well.


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: trvptamine]
    #26497275 - 02/21/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

It's biased because it didn't study the effects of every drug known to man?  Please...


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Enlil]
    #26497306 - 02/21/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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It's biased because it didn't study the effects of every drug known to man?  Please...



No. You still are missing the point. You still obviously didnt read the part of the article I quoted in context to my post. Im done trying to explain it to you though. You are obviously brain dead lol.


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: trvptamine]
    #26497403 - 02/21/20 05:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I read the part you quoted.  There is nothing biased about it since the study was only about weed and not alcohol.  An increase in the use of weed will increase false memories.  It makes no difference whether alcohol also increases false memories.



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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Enlil]
    #26497421 - 02/21/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I read the part you quoted.  There is nothing biased about it since the study was only about weed and not alcohol.  An increase in the use of weed will increase false memories.  It makes no difference whether alcohol also increases false memories.





Okay this is a very easy thing to understand. The quote says "false memories could affect people's family, work and social lives, as well as criminal investigations".
My reasoning behind claiming this is biased or at least dumb is because people dont worry about the same thing happening with alcohol, and yet its a big deal that it happens with pot.

To me that reads as "legalizing pot is a bad idea, because it does the same shit alcohol does".

I went back on my word and explained more. I dont want to explain anymore though because Ive said all I need to. I hope you understand what im saying now and arent too routed into your point of view to see mine.


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: trvptamine]
    #26497426 - 02/21/20 06:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Of course they worry about it with alcohol.  That's not what this study is about, though.  The effects of alcohol are well-understood and have been for decades.  That's why this is the "news" forum....for new information.  The legalization of weed is new, so people are interested in how that will change our society.

I realize you love your drug of choice, but it's not some sacred thing that no one should say anything negative about.  If you're this sensitive about it, maybe you should avoid reading articles like this.


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Primal Glitch] * 2
    #26498037 - 02/22/20 06:52 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Your memories may be false if you try to recall events you witnessed while high on marijuana, a new study suggests.

It found that taking just one hit of the drug doubled people's number of false memories of a virtual reality scenario, CNN reported.

A false memory is one that didn't actually occur or one that differs from the way an event actually happened, often influenced by suggestions from other people.

"We are all prone to the formation of false memories, independent of cannabis use," said study author Johannes Ramaekers, a professor of psychopharmacology at Maastricht University, The Netherlands, CNN reported.

"The susceptibility for false memory, however, increases with cannabis. Under cannabis, users can easily accept fake truths for true memory," Ramaekers said.

With increasing legalization of marijuana in the United States, a resulting rise in false memories could affect people's family, work and social lives, as well as criminal investigations, CNN reported.


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Smoke more cannabis than anyone else in my life,
but also manage to be the most critical of the Mandela Effect
and frequently find basis for how those collective memories got messed with in the first place

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Across all methods, we found evidence for enhanced false-memory effects in intoxicated participants. Specifically, intoxicated participants showed higher false recognition in the associative word-list task both at immediate and delayed test than controls. This yes bias became increasingly strong with decreasing levels of association between studied and test items. In a misinformation task, intoxicated participants were more susceptible to false-memory creation using a virtual-reality eyewitness scenario and virtual-reality perpetrator scenario. False-memory effects were mostly restricted to the acute-intoxication phase. Cannabis seems to increase false-memory proneness, with decreasing strength of association between an event and a test item, as assessed by different false-memory paradigms.



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Suggestion-based false memories are frequently studied by using the misinformation paradigm. Here, participants first view or are involved in an event (e.g., mock crime), then are exposed to misinformation (e.g., suggestive questions or misleading narrative containing false details), and, finally, receive a memory test. Exposure to postevent misinformation often results in people incorporating the suggested details into their memory reports, a phenomenon that is also known as the โ€œmisinformation effectโ€ (for a review, see ref. 21). To our knowledge, no study thus far has implemented this method to study the effects of cannabis on suggestion-based false memory.




the constant mentioning of "virtual-reality" had me wondering
and apparently they used VR to stage the experiment, which has me somewhat critical as VR itself has powerful suggestion-bias effects present even in sober participants
but there appears to be some degree of placebo control vs. "cannabis users"
which, then, introduces me to the question of whether the termed "cannabis users" are regular users who participated
or irregular users who participated
as the impacts of Cannabis in terms of false perceptions, and presumably false memory by association, anecdotally seem to be higher on people with less tolerance

dunno, it is an interesting study overall
and reflects but possibly contrasts some of my experience with cannabis and academic study
wherein studying for a test stoned meant also writing the test stoned in order to remember what was studied
while the experiment seems to suggest that a user's memory of input while stoned is more accurately remembered when later sober

also recall that, due to my medical cannabis use, my previous cognitive testing was done under the influence of cannabis
with the psychiatrist's request that my dosage for the second week of testing be equal to that of the first week
and accuracy of memory was a high point in my assessment, but actual speed of recall for that information was a low point
but that may also be the case for me when sober; smoked all day every day for so many years now it would no longer be feasible for me to tell


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Enlil]
    #26498116 - 02/22/20 08:14 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Of course they worry about it with alcohol.  That's not what this study is about, though.  The effects of alcohol are well-understood and have been for decades.  That's why this is the "news" forum....for new information.  The legalization of weed is new, so people are interested in how that will change our society.

I realize you love your drug of choice, but it's not some sacred thing that no one should say anything negative about.  If you're this sensitive about it, maybe you should avoid reading articles like this.



Thats just the thing though. Im always telling people about how weed can be addictive and cause otherwise fully functioning adults to do nothing but sit on their ass and smoke all day. I actually just think the article is trying to make weed look worse than it is by not adding a "to be fair alcohol does the same thing".


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: trvptamine] * 1
    #26498452 - 02/22/20 01:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

People like you can do that.  It's not their role to discuss what other substances can do the same.


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Enlil]
    #26498688 - 02/22/20 03:55 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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People like you can do that.  It's not their role to discuss what other substances can do the same.



Right. What are they supposed to do, list every other thing in the world that can also increase risk of false memories? That's not how scientific journal articles work.

In any case I will reiterate that I think this is just another manifestation of the same changes that boost imagination/creativity on marijuana. When someone suggests something to you, you can conjure up mental imagery of that suggestion more vibrantly. This makes it feel potentially real. Doesn't mean you necessarily live a life built on lies because you smoke weed. Furthermore, that improved ability to conjure up mental imagery can and clearly has been channeled to create some fantastic art, writing, and technology.


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: morrowasted]
    #26498723 - 02/22/20 04:23 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

That's almost certainly very close to the mechanism.  After all, we know that people can have false memories just from therapy techniques such as "repressed memory therapy" and things like that.  In addition, it's no secret that people who are impaired on any chemical are more suggestible.  It stands to reason that there are more opportunities for people to implant themselves with false memories when they're high.

When I used to practice hypnosis, the easiest subjects were drunk or high.


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: morrowasted]
    #26498847 - 02/22/20 06:08 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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People like you can do that.  It's not their role to discuss what other substances can do the same.



Right. What are they supposed to do, list every other thing in the world that can also increase risk of false memories? That's not how scientific journal articles work.
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Not at all. They could just acknowledge that false memories or complete memory blackouts are already a problem with the most widely used legal drug in existence rather than acting like its a new problem with legalizing weed.


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: trvptamine]
    #26498852 - 02/22/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Where did they say it was a new problem?


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Tantrika]
    #26498890 - 02/22/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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the constant mentioning of "virtual-reality" had me wondering
and apparently they used VR to stage the experiment, which has me somewhat critical as VR itself has powerful suggestion-bias effects present even in sober participants
but there appears to be some degree of placebo control vs. "cannabis users"
which, then, introduces me to the question of whether the termed "cannabis users" are regular users who participated
or irregular users who participated
as the impacts of Cannabis in terms of false perceptions, and presumably false memory by association, anecdotally seem to be higher on people with less tolerance




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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Enlil]
    #26499029 - 02/22/20 08:20 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Where did they say it was a new problem?



It doesnt anywhere. But they are talking about it like it is a new problem. Otherwise why bring it up in the first place?


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: trvptamine]
    #26499034 - 02/22/20 08:25 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You're just overly sensitive.


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26499373 - 02/23/20 03:06 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Of course they worry about it with alcohol.  That's not what this study is about, though.  The effects of alcohol are well-understood and have been for decades.  That's why this is the "news" forum....for new information.  The legalization of weed is new, so people are interested in how that will change our society.

I realize you love your drug of choice, but it's not some sacred thing that no one should say anything negative about.  If you're this sensitive about it, maybe you should avoid reading articles like this.




But there isn't any actual data supporting the "coulds" found within said article..it's pure conjecture and speculation, zero facts. This isn't "news" it's propaganda against the legalization of marijuana. Especially considering while cannabis may be newly legal, its use is not.

They took a study whose data results said one thing, and twisted its meaning and performed some mental gymnastics to make it support their agenda and wrote it to appear that the study results said something it did not. That's not news.

And if you needed any more evidence that this is propaganda, consider why the fuck is WebMD repeating CNN's "reporting" on the impact on society...which has nothing to do with healthcare or the medical implications of said study. Yet they went outside their scope and purpose to republish this propaganda, in an attempt to give it an air of legitimacy and neutrality and reach more eyeballs which might not be susceptible to CNN.

This is exactly what former KGB members and Soviet officials are talking about when they say the US was always so much better at propaganda, which made them jealous, that with Soviet propaganda it was obvious what was going on, but American propaganda is much harder to identify, subtle, and woven into every facet of our society.


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    #26500477 - 02/23/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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You're just overly sensitive.



I dont deny that. I just want people to judge drugs equally. This article doesnt do that. And you are fighting for the wrong side so suck a dick baby girl I love weed!


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: trvptamine]
    #26500535 - 02/23/20 08:56 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Stoners:burke:


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    #26500540 - 02/23/20 08:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I rarely smoke weed bud.
You just dont get the point. Maybe try looking at things through a clear sober lense.
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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: trvptamine] * 1
    #26500574 - 02/23/20 09:25 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I don't use alcohol or weed.


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    #26500603 - 02/23/20 09:47 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't use alcohol or weed.



Well then were pretty much in the same boat. I dont see why you dont understand the bias in the article then. Maybe try seeing straight.

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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: trvptamine]
    #26502015 - 02/24/20 05:55 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Lies of the matrix.
those "false memories" is what the evil ones dont want you remembering.


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    #26502026 - 02/24/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

This isnt propaganda. You're paranoid. This is science.


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26502354 - 02/24/20 09:41 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Reads like it was written by someone who blacks out on alcohol. I think their memories were false from the start and they probably still don't know shit about shit.



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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26502512 - 02/25/20 01:59 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't use alcohol or weed.




Am actually interested how alcohol may or may not contrast cannabis in this scenario
one of the thoughts that has since come to me, is the idea that part of the agreeing with false statements from another witness
may stem from the self-conciousness/anxiety that people report from cannabis use
individuals who are aware they are taking a test related to memory, and that they are on cannabis, may be more inclined to agree with false facts from the other witness
due to a fear of being perceived as stupid or inobservant for having missed those details that someone else caught

have never been a heavy alcohol user
but my comprehension is it bolsters confidence
which may or may not incline individuals to be more likely to believe their perception is the authentic one and the other witness is misremembering
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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: morrowasted]
    #26503462 - 02/25/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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This isnt propaganda. You're paranoid. This is science.




Science is a religion, based on belief, government fabricated text books and "studies" are their bible.
And mixing truth with 1% lies, still makes it 100% lies.


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: lol5535]
    #26503714 - 02/25/20 05:54 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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This isnt propaganda. You're paranoid. This is science.




Science is a religion, based on belief, government fabricated text books and "studies" are their bible.
And mixing truth with 1% lies, still makes it 100% lies.



Science is a lot closer to the truth than any religion is for sure.
I definitely think the article is biased, but it doesnt change that weed can cause people to recall false memories.

You sound like you also believe the Earth is flat.


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26506065 - 02/27/20 08:01 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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This isnt propaganda. You're paranoid. This is science.




What do the study results say about false memories affecting the family unit and criminal justice? Anything? Anything at all?

Is there a single shred of empirical evidence showing cannabis' potential ability to lead to false memories affecting society?

Please, tell me again how that is science.

They took data which said one thing, surrounded it with conjecture and speculation that supported their agenda but was NOT backed up by any empirical evidence, and then republished it as fact. That is A+ propaganda.

edit: The fact that you are defending their suppositions as "science" shows how effective this tactic can be.


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Holybullshit]
    #26506070 - 02/27/20 08:05 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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morrowasted said:
This isnt propaganda. You're paranoid. This is science.




What do the study results say about false memories affecting the family unit and criminal justice? Anything? Anything at all?

Is there a single shred of empirical evidence showing cannabis' potential ability to lead to false memories affecting society?

Please, tell me again how that is science.

They took data which said one thing, surrounded it with conjecture and speculation that supported their agenda but was NOT backed up by any empirical evidence, and then republished it as fact. That is A+ propaganda.



Im happy at least someone agrees with me lol


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: trvptamine]
    #26506080 - 02/27/20 08:15 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Im happy at least someone agrees with me lol




I don't understand what is even controversial about saying that. If you take one minute to examine what is actually being communicated(and what platforms are being used) it should be obvious to anyone with an ounce of critical thinking capability.

I have no problem with the study in and of itself...but it is being used as a cloak and shield for obviously biased, agenda driven propaganda, containing nothing but conjecture, speculation, and supposition...not science.


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Holybullshit]
    #26506101 - 02/27/20 08:33 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Exactly. I definitely wouldnt argue with the study, but the article written on it is totally biased. My thing is that prescription anxiety medications and alcohol already just give people complete memory blackouts and yet they dont say shit about that in the article while making it look like a big deal that weeds false memories could possibly have an effect on court hearings and peoples family lives.


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: trvptamine]
    #26509200 - 02/29/20 04:44 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Lol. False memories? Is this Westworld?

I feel like this article is kinda crazy (literally)

Been smoking for like 15 years, never had any โ€œfalseโ€ memories, the one thing I can say is if Iโ€™m feeling panicky (I get panic attacks), and I smoke some strong Sativa or high potency concentrate, Iโ€™ve had the occasional freak out, but false memories?


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Fractal420] * 2
    #26509295 - 02/29/20 06:51 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

How would you know if you had any false memories?


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Enlil]
    #26509334 - 02/29/20 07:34 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26509388 - 02/29/20 08:22 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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How would you know if you had any false memories?




Honestly, in the context they presented "false memory" (at least the portion of the experiment with prompts)
it does not per se surprise me that there is evidence of cannabis putting padding around memories
to my comprehension, that is where the benefit comes in for PTSD treatment -- in my case at least, being really stoned makes traumatic memories feel insulated and far away and easier to unpack with a therapist
they're still all fucked up and a mess to revisit, but there is a capacity to almost view them artificially for a period


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Tantrika]
    #26511043 - 03/01/20 08:44 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I find cannabis can actually put my ptsd in high gear. It very much depends, like a psychedelic. Sometimes it relaxes me, sometimes makes me ruminate more


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Primal Glitch]
    #26611344 - 04/18/20 07:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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