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Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories * 1
    #26492820 - 02/19/20 04:46 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Your memories may be false if you try to recall events you witnessed while high on marijuana, a new study suggests.

It found that taking just one hit of the drug doubled people's number of false memories of a virtual reality scenario, CNN reported.

A false memory is one that didn't actually occur or one that differs from the way an event actually happened, often influenced by suggestions from other people.

"We are all prone to the formation of false memories, independent of cannabis use," said study author Johannes Ramaekers, a professor of psychopharmacology at Maastricht University, The Netherlands, CNN reported.

"The susceptibility for false memory, however, increases with cannabis. Under cannabis, users can easily accept fake truths for true memory," Ramaekers said.

With increasing legalization of marijuana in the United States, a resulting rise in false memories could affect people's family, work and social lives, as well as criminal investigations, CNN reported.


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Primal Glitch] * 1
    #26492992 - 02/19/20 08:08 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I also think that the computer age and the way these comps are changing human interaction/thinking/being it may be a factor as well.


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26493101 - 02/19/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I don't remember ever using a computer or smoking weed, so I wouldn't know :shrug2:


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Primal Glitch]
    #26493119 - 02/19/20 09:42 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Primal Glitch] * 2
    #26493664 - 02/19/20 04:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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With increasing legalization of marijuana in the United States, a resulting rise in false memories could affect people's family, work and social lives, as well as criminal investigations, CNN reported.




Who actually gives a shit? Alcohol does the same thing and you dont here people complaining about it being legal. Seriously people who set out on a sutdy with the main goal in mind to prove how bad weed is are fucking ridiculous. Be unbiased while doing your damn research.


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: trvptamine] * 1
    #26493702 - 02/19/20 04:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Unbiased like you?


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Primal Glitch]
    #26494020 - 02/19/20 08:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

sounds like a bunch of kids smoking mids claiming they runtz they lives up????


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: ElHongo] * 1
    #26494101 - 02/19/20 09:20 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

That's because smoking marijuana increases your imaginative creativity.


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: morrowasted]
    #26494548 - 02/20/20 07:25 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I wish the word "marijuana" wasn't used at all.:sad::mad2:


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: ElHongo]
    #26495055 - 02/20/20 12:11 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I only copied that story cause it's short and reads easily. I agree it's kinda half assed.
For anyone interested in the actual study, click the second link


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Enlil]
    #26496885 - 02/21/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Unbiased like you?



Im not the person conducting the study am I? I dont need to be unbiased.


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: trvptamine] * 1
    #26496898 - 02/21/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

The only reason you think it's a biased study is because it conflicts with your personal bias.


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Enlil]
    #26497089 - 02/21/20 02:28 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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The only reason you think it's a biased study is because it conflicts with your personal bias.



Thats definitely not true.
I completely agree with the study on the fact that weed can help create false memories. And I never said that I didnt. I think the article is biased because it makes a big deal out of weeds false memory inducing potential when the most popular drug that is already legal (alcohol) can cause complete memory blackouts. Hence why I quoted the part of the article that I did.

Dont get me wrong I am biased and in favor of marijuana to alcohol. But the article is obviously biased as well.


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: trvptamine]
    #26497275 - 02/21/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

It's biased because it didn't study the effects of every drug known to man?  Please...


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Enlil]
    #26497306 - 02/21/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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It's biased because it didn't study the effects of every drug known to man?  Please...



No. You still are missing the point. You still obviously didnt read the part of the article I quoted in context to my post. Im done trying to explain it to you though. You are obviously brain dead lol.


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: trvptamine]
    #26497403 - 02/21/20 05:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I read the part you quoted.  There is nothing biased about it since the study was only about weed and not alcohol.  An increase in the use of weed will increase false memories.  It makes no difference whether alcohol also increases false memories.



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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Enlil]
    #26497421 - 02/21/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I read the part you quoted.  There is nothing biased about it since the study was only about weed and not alcohol.  An increase in the use of weed will increase false memories.  It makes no difference whether alcohol also increases false memories.





Okay this is a very easy thing to understand. The quote says "false memories could affect people's family, work and social lives, as well as criminal investigations".
My reasoning behind claiming this is biased or at least dumb is because people dont worry about the same thing happening with alcohol, and yet its a big deal that it happens with pot.

To me that reads as "legalizing pot is a bad idea, because it does the same shit alcohol does".

I went back on my word and explained more. I dont want to explain anymore though because Ive said all I need to. I hope you understand what im saying now and arent too routed into your point of view to see mine.


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: trvptamine]
    #26497426 - 02/21/20 06:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Of course they worry about it with alcohol.  That's not what this study is about, though.  The effects of alcohol are well-understood and have been for decades.  That's why this is the "news" forum....for new information.  The legalization of weed is new, so people are interested in how that will change our society.

I realize you love your drug of choice, but it's not some sacred thing that no one should say anything negative about.  If you're this sensitive about it, maybe you should avoid reading articles like this.


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Primal Glitch] * 2
    #26498037 - 02/22/20 06:52 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Your memories may be false if you try to recall events you witnessed while high on marijuana, a new study suggests.

It found that taking just one hit of the drug doubled people's number of false memories of a virtual reality scenario, CNN reported.

A false memory is one that didn't actually occur or one that differs from the way an event actually happened, often influenced by suggestions from other people.

"We are all prone to the formation of false memories, independent of cannabis use," said study author Johannes Ramaekers, a professor of psychopharmacology at Maastricht University, The Netherlands, CNN reported.

"The susceptibility for false memory, however, increases with cannabis. Under cannabis, users can easily accept fake truths for true memory," Ramaekers said.

With increasing legalization of marijuana in the United States, a resulting rise in false memories could affect people's family, work and social lives, as well as criminal investigations, CNN reported.


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Smoke more cannabis than anyone else in my life,
but also manage to be the most critical of the Mandela Effect
and frequently find basis for how those collective memories got messed with in the first place

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Across all methods, we found evidence for enhanced false-memory effects in intoxicated participants. Specifically, intoxicated participants showed higher false recognition in the associative word-list task both at immediate and delayed test than controls. This yes bias became increasingly strong with decreasing levels of association between studied and test items. In a misinformation task, intoxicated participants were more susceptible to false-memory creation using a virtual-reality eyewitness scenario and virtual-reality perpetrator scenario. False-memory effects were mostly restricted to the acute-intoxication phase. Cannabis seems to increase false-memory proneness, with decreasing strength of association between an event and a test item, as assessed by different false-memory paradigms.



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Suggestion-based false memories are frequently studied by using the misinformation paradigm. Here, participants first view or are involved in an event (e.g., mock crime), then are exposed to misinformation (e.g., suggestive questions or misleading narrative containing false details), and, finally, receive a memory test. Exposure to postevent misinformation often results in people incorporating the suggested details into their memory reports, a phenomenon that is also known as the “misinformation effect” (for a review, see ref. 21). To our knowledge, no study thus far has implemented this method to study the effects of cannabis on suggestion-based false memory.




the constant mentioning of "virtual-reality" had me wondering
and apparently they used VR to stage the experiment, which has me somewhat critical as VR itself has powerful suggestion-bias effects present even in sober participants
but there appears to be some degree of placebo control vs. "cannabis users"
which, then, introduces me to the question of whether the termed "cannabis users" are regular users who participated
or irregular users who participated
as the impacts of Cannabis in terms of false perceptions, and presumably false memory by association, anecdotally seem to be higher on people with less tolerance

dunno, it is an interesting study overall
and reflects but possibly contrasts some of my experience with cannabis and academic study
wherein studying for a test stoned meant also writing the test stoned in order to remember what was studied
while the experiment seems to suggest that a user's memory of input while stoned is more accurately remembered when later sober

also recall that, due to my medical cannabis use, my previous cognitive testing was done under the influence of cannabis
with the psychiatrist's request that my dosage for the second week of testing be equal to that of the first week
and accuracy of memory was a high point in my assessment, but actual speed of recall for that information was a low point
but that may also be the case for me when sober; smoked all day every day for so many years now it would no longer be feasible for me to tell


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Re: Marijuana Use May Increase Risk of False Memories [Re: Enlil]
    #26498116 - 02/22/20 08:14 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Of course they worry about it with alcohol.  That's not what this study is about, though.  The effects of alcohol are well-understood and have been for decades.  That's why this is the "news" forum....for new information.  The legalization of weed is new, so people are interested in how that will change our society.

I realize you love your drug of choice, but it's not some sacred thing that no one should say anything negative about.  If you're this sensitive about it, maybe you should avoid reading articles like this.



Thats just the thing though. Im always telling people about how weed can be addictive and cause otherwise fully functioning adults to do nothing but sit on their ass and smoke all day. I actually just think the article is trying to make weed look worse than it is by not adding a "to be fair alcohol does the same thing".


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