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Re: KILLING vs EATING [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
    #26496799 - 02/21/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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.  You think you have some kind of like.... grand understanding of some hidden further layer.... through like..... you psychoanalyzing me through inaccurately reading my post.

I am not gungho america! fuck yeah! person. I hate america. Im a liberal. I hate jocks and gungoho america fuck yeah people.






.  I now get that like many of us you find much of American culture superficial.
However it seems you misunderstood my point.
Nobody here (or anywhere is going to fix all the faults of our culture, or fix the faults of the American people)...
And as you mentioned in another post, often we can NOT even help our own families.

.  Which raises the question of why choose this particular issue to get upset about?
And secondly why get upset at all?
The world is a mess, & we will all die.
.  If one wants to, one can make an effort to be kind before, one's short life is over, but nobody is going to "save the world".
.  Being kind is about all we can do, and we can only do it within the range of our own modest abilities, and in an environment that allows it.
Even the gurus, and meditation teachers 'enlighten' very few of their hundreds or thousands of students, even after decades of hard practice.

.  The book mentioned, and linked to, has nothing to do with psychoanalysis. It simply shows how scientific evidence backs up the point, I made, that we all have inconsistencies, due to how the brain evolved, and the complexities of life.
.  To get on a moral high horse and berate others for not meeting one's own standards, seems to me, a recipe for stressing oneself out, and getting no benefit. In fact its probably a good way to loose many friends, rather quickly.
.  I imagine at one time or another many folks discover this for themselves, from making the mistake, of getting a bit 'preachy'.
.  So my points are all really rather simple, and whether one agrees with them or not, their purpose was simply to, perhaps reduce stress. The wonderful irony is that once again, as they say: "no good deed goes unpunished".


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Re: KILLING vs EATING [Re: laughingdog] * 1
    #26497746 - 02/21/20 09:25 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

What you are saying doesnt play out though which is the problem.

Youre basically wrapping your arms around nihilism and portraying those beliefs as the "answer".


Just because we are all mortal and we all die. Just because we almost guaranteed will make a very small, none at all, or even a negative impact on the world. Just because people are hard to convince and are stubborn in their beliefs. Just because environment dictates who we become. Just because environment dictates the society we live inside of and creates moral standards. Just because we likely wont ever see the stars.      Doesnt mean we should be selfish. Doesnt mean we should give up on making the world a better place. Doesnt mean we shouldnt convey our opinions.


Granted this is a conversation about people who eat meat and not that important of a topic. I hear people like you all day long. Nihilism sounds so brave and so thought out. But its not. "Nothing matters" is a given. Its not a revelation. It doesnt beat all arguments.

Who was it... Tolstoy ? That said only a coward or a fool doesnt kill himself and I.... being a coward.... am here before you today.

If nothing matters why speak? Why think? Why breathe? Stop existing. Nothing matters.


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Re: KILLING vs EATING [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
    #26499828 - 02/23/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Equating Compassion with Nihilism seems rather strange.
What I said was:

"Being kind is about all we can do, and we can only do it within the range of our own modest abilities, and in an environment that allows it."

What wrong with being an army medic? We can't all be Jonas Salk type folks. Or stop wars. Not sure what your ambitions are in the way of doing good and being of service.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonas_Salk


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