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KILLING vs EATING * 1
    #26492757 - 02/19/20 01:59 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

These two things should be identical in our minds. But even among "tough dudes" that ive been around..... its amazing the excuses they come up with not to shoot the deer or not to bleed the rabbit. Combined with the fact that guys cant admit they are fearful..... you get this crazy environment we live in.

I've had shooters who can shoot nails in half at 200 yards tell me "I cant see through the scope because its night time" when we have spotlights lighting up a pack of 3 deer 20 yards away. I've had "The sights must be off" on a weapon that I used after them to shoot the fleeing deer and take one down within 5 seconds of receiving the gun.

I'm a hunter. I've killed a ton of shit. I prefer it because the sin is on my soul of the meat I eat as apposed to a giant industry. Not to mention it tastes better and it lived better before I got it.


I really dislike this out of sight out of mind thing that represents itself as clear as day in the eating meat neighborhood of thought.

And how about these EXCUSES that if you call them on they get MAD AS FUCK and act like IM THE ASSHOLE who doesnt havent a grip on reality?!?!?! They are CONFIDENT when it comes to fighting a smaller person like myself..... but not when it comes to grappling with their own hypocrisy. They DONT want to kill things but they want dead animal flesh. What is their FUCKING problem?????

Can I not just be 100 percent honest? Is that NOT ALLOWED??!!?!!?!?


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Re: KILLING vs EATING [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
    #26492856 - 02/19/20 05:48 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Cus not erry animal is harmful :3 (to environment)


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Re: KILLING vs EATING [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
    #26493183 - 02/19/20 10:34 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Now we know what you believe, Oldnameforgotten.

But why did you post this? Do you want us all to adopt your beliefs?

Or is there something that might change yours?

If there isn't, then once again why did you post this?

Could it be you feel you don't get enough respect in every day life?

Given the "American"  love of guns, steak, & other meats, I would think getting respect for being a good shot, and being a hunter, would be fairly easy.

.  Apparently, you are angry at people, who don't post here. I doubt, whether or not, some here side with you or not, will really help you in relating to other people. Apparently and perhaps unfortunately you can't just shoot them, even though being a hypocrite is of course unforgivable.

:smile:


Edited by laughingdog (02/19/20 10:42 AM)


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Re: KILLING vs EATING [Re: laughingdog]
    #26493509 - 02/19/20 02:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Stop eating meat if you cant kill an animal. Thats hypocrisy.


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Re: KILLING vs EATING [Re: Oldnameforgotten] * 1
    #26493513 - 02/19/20 02:28 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yep. Living is killing.

In order to live you must end life, not accepting that is just denial.


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Re: KILLING vs EATING [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
    #26493523 - 02/19/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

You are killing yourself (oldname...) if you make stamping out hypocrisy a mission in life.
& No i don't eat meat, or care if you do.

"We're all hypocrites. Why? Hypocrisy is the natural state of the human mind.


Robert Kurzban shows us that the key to understanding our behavioral inconsistencies lies in understanding the mind's design. The human mind consists of many specialized units designed by the process of evolution by natural selection. While these modules sometimes work together seamlessly, they don't always, resulting in impossibly contradictory beliefs, vacillations between patience and impulsiveness, violations of our supposed moral principles, and overinflated views of ourselves.


This modular, evolutionary psychological view of the mind undermines deeply held intuitions about ourselves, as well as a range of scientific theories that require a "self" with consistent beliefs and preferences. Modularity suggests that there is no "I." Instead, each of us is a contentious "we"--a collection of discrete but interacting systems whose constant conflicts shape our interactions with one another and our experience of the world.

In clear language, full of wit and rich in examples, Kurzban explains the roots and implications of our inconsistent minds, and why it is perfectly natural to believe that everyone else is a hypocrite."

Why Everyone (Else) Is a Hypocrite: Evolution and the Modular Mind Paperback – May 27, 2012
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https://www.amazon.com/Why-Everyone-Else-Hypocrite-Evolution/dp/0691154392/ref=sr_1_2?crid=105HIJX8I3XH&keywords=why+everyone+else+is+a+hypocrite&qid=1582147750&s=books&sprefix=why+every%2Cstripbooks%2C236&sr=1-2


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Re: KILLING vs EATING [Re: laughingdog]
    #26493859 - 02/19/20 06:17 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

:lol:  I do admire someone who kills game for their meat consumption.  I one day hope to realize this.  Beats going to a store and perusing meat selections on a table.


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Re: KILLING vs EATING [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
    #26494021 - 02/19/20 08:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Their brain washed yo..


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Re: KILLING vs EATING [Re: laughingdog] * 1
    #26494169 - 02/19/20 10:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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laughingdog said:
You are killing yourself (oldname...) if you make stamping out hypocrisy a mission in life.
& No i don't eat meat, or care if you do.

"We're all hypocrites. Why? Hypocrisy is the natural state of the human mind.


Robert Kurzban shows us that the key to understanding our behavioral inconsistencies lies in understanding the mind's design. The human mind consists of many specialized units designed by the process of evolution by natural selection. While these modules sometimes work together seamlessly, they don't always, resulting in impossibly contradictory beliefs, vacillations between patience and impulsiveness, violations of our supposed moral principles, and overinflated views of ourselves.


This modular, evolutionary psychological view of the mind undermines deeply held intuitions about ourselves, as well as a range of scientific theories that require a "self" with consistent beliefs and preferences. Modularity suggests that there is no "I." Instead, each of us is a contentious "we"--a collection of discrete but interacting systems whose constant conflicts shape our interactions with one another and our experience of the world.

In clear language, full of wit and rich in examples, Kurzban explains the roots and implications of our inconsistent minds, and why it is perfectly natural to believe that everyone else is a hypocrite."

Why Everyone (Else) Is a Hypocrite: Evolution and the Modular Mind Paperback – May 27, 2012
by Robert Kurzban  (Author)

https://www.amazon.com/Why-Everyone-Else-Hypocrite-Evolution/dp/0691154392/ref=sr_1_2?crid=105HIJX8I3XH&keywords=why+everyone+else+is+a+hypocrite&qid=1582147750&s=books&sprefix=why+every%2Cstripbooks%2C236&sr=1-2





Do you even hear yourself? You dont make a point. Are you on drugs?


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Re: KILLING vs EATING [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
    #26494950 - 02/20/20 11:08 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

.  You ignored the questions that were very straight forward, in my first post, not that it matters, but its funny that you then claim, I post gibberish because you can't connect the dots.
.  As it's a short thread I won't bother reposting the questions. And as you seem both angry, and committed to the notion you are being subjected to unusual injustices, to repost would make no sense at all.
.  It is of course not required that you answer this post by telling us all you are not angry, and that I am an idiot, but you are also of course perfectly free to do so, and in great detail if you like, It would most likely surprise no one, either way.


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Re: KILLING vs EATING [Re: laughingdog] * 2
    #26495044 - 02/20/20 12:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I think the butcher deserves to make a living.

I don't think we should be cajoling people into killing either.

Let experts do the killing when needed so the meat is available; we are not all internal combustion engine makers but we all have ridden in cars and busses and planes. It's OK in society to have experts who can charge for their labor and guidance, and you do not need to fix engines and fire rifles and remove scales or winnow the grain or pump the water unless you want to.

Someone has to cull the excess dear now that the wolves have been eliminated.


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Re: KILLING vs EATING [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #26495080 - 02/20/20 12:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

That's an important point, and needs to be recognized. The deer herds, and even the elk herds in the West, too, would fly out of control if we did not have hunting seasons. I am not a hunter, but I eat meat, and it seems if a hunter is going to use all parts of the animal, there is no moral quandary there. Homo sapiens are meat eaters. The while-tail and mule deer herds are completely out of control all across the country, so buying tags and hunting responsibly seems not to be such a problem, I think.

We need to remember our ecology. Vegetarianism and animal rights aside, everybody needs to kill to eat. Culling a deer and using it seems much less destructive to me than the factory farming that is going on, where cows and other animals are bred for slaughter. The carbon footprint is huge. So to see any moral ambiguity with hunting seems strange to me. It's perfectly natural, and the herds need to be kept at reasonable levels. Nature is not like Bambi.


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Re: KILLING vs EATING [Re: laughingdog]
    #26495511 - 02/20/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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.  You ignored the questions that were very straight forward, in my first post, not that it matters, but its funny that you then claim, I post gibberish because you can't connect the dots.
.  As it's a short thread I won't bother reposting the questions. And as you seem both angry, and committed to the notion you are being subjected to unusual injustices, to repost would make no sense at all.
.  It is of course not required that you answer this post by telling us all you are not angry, and that I am an idiot, but you are also of course perfectly free to do so, and in great detail if you like, It would most likely surprise no one, either way.





You think you have some kind of like.... grand understanding of some hidden further layer.... through like..... you psychoanalyzing me through inaccurately reading my post.

I am not gungho america! fuck yeah! person. I hate america. Im a liberal. I hate jocks and gungoho america fuck yeah people.

I am MERELY a hunter. I hunt because the quality of the food is superior in taste, the animal lives a better life, the sin of the food I eat is on my soul and not a corporations, and of course because it is damn near free to do so.


Your question seemed to be summed up with "Why post this?" and I dont see why you think that is some gotcha question that I am avoiding.....

I saw something I didnt like...... so I posted about it. People who eat 15,000 animals in their lifetime (or whatever the number is lol) and then NEVER ONCE kill an animal are just pretending that meat isn't what it is. They go to the store and see this little cube of red and its just like the fruit next to it.


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Re: KILLING vs EATING [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
    #26495654 - 02/20/20 05:10 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

lose the hate, just lose it. it's ok - we don't know your thoughts exactly and you don't know ours exactly, so that's not the issue.


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Re: KILLING vs EATING [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26495719 - 02/20/20 05:43 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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lose the hate, just lose it. it's ok - we don't know your thoughts exactly and you don't know ours exactly, so that's not the issue.





I mean if we were all eating wild deer and wild pigs that would make sense.

But eating a living animal is different from using a phone without understanding how phones work.


I reckon its much more closely connected to each other. And basically..... if you cant kill an animal.... then be a vegetarian. Dont be a hand-held meat eater. I reckon youre just lying to yourself.


What specifically has me triggered are these "tough guys" that I go out shooting with. They are self-admitted jock types who act all macho and like they have 0 feelings. They are very good at shooting yet when the deer is in their sights they forget how a gun works. And then when I tell them its because they are afraid to kill an animal.... they get hyper aggressive with me.

^^^^^^^ This is what is bothering me. Im just saying it like it is and im getting shit for it. I have to like ....pretend their bullshit excuses make sense. "Oh yeah its hard to look down a scope sometimes" Like what the fuck? Its NEVER hard to look down a scope if youve fired it a thousand times before.


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Re: KILLING vs EATING [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
    #26495870 - 02/20/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

what you call fear in your associates may be more complex than fear,
we don't really know what is in the other's mind or heart.

the same thing then.

hesitating to kill a deer, for which you drove out with friends to hunt, is not necessarily fear.

The sight may be a beautiful thing - we also feed on beauty not just meat.


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Re: KILLING vs EATING [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26495895 - 02/20/20 07:13 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
what you call fear in your associates may be more complex than fear,
we don't really know what is in the other's mind or heart.

the same thing then.

hesitating to kill a deer, for which you drove out with friends to hunt, is not necessarily fear.

The sight may be a beautiful thing - we also feed on beauty not just meat.




Semantics. They definitely weren't missing shots on accident and they definitely still knew how to use the scope. But when I call them on it I get raged at.


I threw the words "afraid to kill an animal" just as a way to describe the event.

I dont have a problem with anyone. I also think we should prolly all be vego's except for culling of things like pigs cuz fucking pigs would conquer this earth quick if we let them.

What I dont like is the bullshitters. Live in truth land with me at the very least.


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Re: KILLING vs EATING [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #26495951 - 02/20/20 07:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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That's an important point, and needs to be recognized. The deer herds, and even the elk herds in the West, too, would fly out of control if we did not have hunting seasons. I am not a hunter, but I eat meat, and it seems if a hunter is going to use all parts of the animal, there is no moral quandary there. Homo sapiens are meat eaters. The while-tail and mule deer herds are completely out of control all across the country, so buying tags and hunting responsibly seems not to be such a problem, I think.

We need to remember our ecology. Vegetarianism and animal rights aside, everybody needs to kill to eat. Culling a deer and using it seems much less destructive to me than the factory farming that is going on, where cows and other animals are bred for slaughter. The carbon footprint is huge. So to see any moral ambiguity with hunting seems strange to me. It's perfectly natural, and the herds need to be kept at reasonable levels. Nature is not like Bambi.




When does human season open??


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Re: KILLING vs EATING [Re: Mr. D Green]
    #26496013 - 02/20/20 08:17 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I like to hunt myself...but I have to lay low since my nextdoor neighbors "moved".


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Re: KILLING vs EATING [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #26496174 - 02/20/20 09:58 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

AND ANOTHER THING!!!!

How about those people who got lapbands and lost weight but claim they lost the weight through hard work and effort????

Fuck right off. The surgery you got forced you to suffer. I'm SURE you suffered.... but damnit you lost weight because of the fucking surgery. Stop saying otherwise. *shakes fist*


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