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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: TheWitchfinder] * 1
    #26588310 - 04/09/20 08:39 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Cool pics but youre picking them a little too late. Once the cap starts going flat, youre in that spore-drop time-window. Its important to pick your shrooms right when the veil breaks whenever possible.




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When there is a small mushroom that seems to have an open cap and looks as though it never had a veil are usually picked immediately when noticed. they don't get much bigger and the potential For spores to drop is greater.
All in all your grow looks great. Nice work!




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Yeah you can pick them earlier.

Congrats on being a cultivator. I remember reading a post years ago when people were talking about dosing and how much is just enough to eat. RR pop's up and says that the best way to dose a trip is put a pile of shrooms on a table and just start eating. Lol

When your full your done. Or something like that.




Thanks guys! Okay, I will start picking again. I had no idea I was supposed to be picking this early, and that I didn't have to wait for specific sizes. Ha! I learn a ton of new stuff every day here! I will be back with some pics and weights in a bit.

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On the topic of eating fresh mushrooms, consider cooking them in some way. Cubes are pretty delicious and it won't hurt potency. It will also help them digest easier and eliminates any gastrointestinal distress. Well, in my experience anyway.




I will take a look at this. First time out with fresh, though, I will try just eating them raw.


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Okay, different topic, slightly. I just pulled this out of storage and dusted it out. Is this a good enough dehydrator for shrooms? I just plugged it in, ran it for about 5 minutes. Its kicking out some heat and the fan is going, so I assume its working? Anyway, after I clean all the parts thoroughly, before I start drying, hopefully this weekend, can someone please tell me how to dry shrooms with this thing?
lol I never used one of these before. Actually, not true. I bought this about 18 years ago and went through a "dried fruit" phase, but have no recollection how to use this thing really. Well, other than, "Turn it on, put stuff on trey, cover it, and wait.

But some questions:

1. There is only one setting, and its on and off. How long do I leave shrooms on there, approximately? Is it time dependent or dryness dependent?

2. Do I take some of those plastic layers/levels off? Am I only using one layer at a time in other words?

3. How do I fit the larger shrooms on the trays? Do I disassemble cap and stem?

4. What the heck is that large, round, plastic-rubber thingy for?




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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26588429 - 04/09/20 09:30 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Okay, so I did what you guys told me. Wow, I didn't think I would get so much on this second day. High quality problem, but it turns out that Sockadin was 100% right and I was painfully wrong. When I first started picking last night, I assumed I would get a sparse harvest, enough for like two doses. That's the only reason why I resisted drying, because I could do a couple of doses in a week if I really had to.

But this yield is even slightly larger than last night. So, yeah, long story short, I am going to have to start drying, like immediately. I didn't think I would be there until like next week. Anyway, here are the pics. I hit the Tare button for the bowl and ended up with 83.9 grams of shrooms this morning!

Question: Can someone please look at the second pic? It isn't all of today's harvest, but I put some representative samples so you guys can let me know if I picked any of these too soon.

I guess I just wasn't expecting all these Barbie-Dream Shrooms, which is why I didn't know I was supposed to start picking already. Anyway, all the fresh shrooms are in the fridge for now. Once I separate how much I think I might want to consume in the next week, I will start drying the rest.



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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26588808 - 04/09/20 12:48 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry to bumped us, but the forum is really busy and this was almost on the third page LOL.

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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 2
    #26589413 - 04/09/20 06:14 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

No you didn't pick any to soon. Looks great keepus posted. Gtg toddler agro!

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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin]
    #26589609 - 04/09/20 08:07 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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No you didn't pick any to soon. Looks great keepus posted. Gtg toddler agro!




Ah, dude, I don't expect you to take time away from your kids for me. Not that I don't appreciate it. As always, thank you SO much!

Okay so a few questions if anyone wants to take a stab.

1. I will have to post some pics tomorrow, and I think I kind of know the answer to this, but how do I know when a flush is over on some cakes? I think that at least 3, maybe 4 of my cakes may be done with flush #1.

2. Regarding question #1, I remember reading that you dunk and roll between flushes, I swear I did! Yet everything I am reading now on and off this site says that at this point, no roll, just dunking after the dunk and roll when first putting the cakes into the terrarium. So I'm thinking I am just remembering this wrong, and that what I am supposed to do I dunk every cake for 24 hours after each flush, and put it back in?

3. This is just a reiteration of my question above about the dehydrator I posted pics of and asked about. I basically found that very old unit basically being stored in plain sight. It still works, though I am pretty sure its over 20 years old now that I think about it. But when I turned it on, the fan went constantly and the heat came on. ANyway, my questions:


-There is only one setting, and its on and off. How long do I leave shrooms on there, approximately? Is it time dependent or dryness dependent?

-Do I take some of those plastic layers/levels off? Am I only using one layer at a time in other words?

-How do I fit the larger shrooms on the trays? Do I disassemble cap and stem?

-What the heck is that large, round, plastic-rubber thingy for?

-And one more...do these things get too hot and harm the shroom's potency?

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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 2
    #26589684 - 04/09/20 08:46 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Heat doesn't effect potency oxygen does

That dehydrator looks. Good.

No dunk and roll, just dunk

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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin]
    #26589716 - 04/09/20 09:03 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Great, thank you! I think I will have some more shrooms to pick in the coming few days. What I need to do is apportion out as much as I think I may eat over the course of the next 7ish days, and drie everything else so it doesn't go bad. I did a little research, and it looks like this model, and all the one-temp ones like it, seem go to I think 173 degrees, which I don't think reaches the threshold for harming shroom potency.


As for time,, I know the saying is cracker dry, but with units like mine, are there also times to have shrooms on the trays? I seem to be getting differing results on various searches. I have read anything from 8 hours on the dehydrator to 36 hours. Also, I would guess it takes longer to dry large mushrooms than smaller ones, as well as caps versus stems. Also, for bigger caps, should I be slicing them in half before dehydrating?

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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26589748 - 04/09/20 09:20 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Just stuff the dehydrator however they fit, cram them in there, it will work out fine sometimes i can't even put the top on the dehydrator on I justblet it rest on top of the shrooms on the top shelf and when they're a bit dried up I firmly press the top down crushing some of the fruits just to be a step closer to being able to close the lid on the dehydrator but it's in no way necessary to do so to get bone dry shrooms, just stuff the dehydrator, turn on full power and go for a whole day :super:
I dry mine for 24h, the smaller fruits should basically break apart when you go to grab them, when completely dry they are that fragile :thumbup:


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Mateja] * 1
    #26590157 - 04/10/20 04:08 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Just stuff the dehydrator however they fit, cram them in there, it will work out fine sometimes i can't even put the top on the dehydrator on I justblet it rest on top of the shrooms on the top shelf and when they're a bit dried up I firmly press the top down crushing some of the fruits just to be a step closer to being able to close the lid on the dehydrator but it's in no way necessary to do so to get bone dry shrooms, just stuff the dehydrator, turn on full power and go for a whole day :super:
I dry mine for 24h, the smaller fruits should basically break apart when you go to grab them, when completely dry they are that fragile :thumbup:




Thanks, brother! This was very informative, and the stuffing them in and jamming the top closed was not only very helpful in alleviating my concerns about the logistics of using this dehydrator, but was also VERY funny. I literally lol'd!

Okay, so more questions, Goddess help you all! I am going to break them down into two posts though, for some semblance of contexts, and because I have some pics, too.

First, see pic#1 attached to this post, here are my FIVE freshly inoculated jars, which I did last night after sterilizing, and yada, yada...yaaaay! I had enough left in my syringes for 5 jars. Unfortunately, on the fifth jar, I ran out of MS on the 3rd hole, so I only got to inoculate 3 of 4 holes. Oh well, right?

The reason I brought this up is because I made a promise to Sockadin, and to you, Mateah. When it comes time to birth these cakes, I fully intend to let you guys dictate exactly what I will do with those cakes. With one proviso. Given the economy, the social distancing, the delays in sites like Amazon in processing orders, I am going to ask a favor. Lets at least try to not make me go out and invest another small fortune. I can pick up a few small shoeboxes if that's the route you want me to go, maybe another type of container? But maybe it would be best to stick to the formula of BRF, Verm, Perlite, etc? Just to make my life and wallet a little easier?

Second question (lol for this post), I am going to trip tomorrow, but not having had shrooms in decades, and not being sure of what I actually ate way back when, I decided to suck it up and go light. I was thinking for my first trip on these in a while to start with around the 15 grams marker, and I will have between 5 and 10 grams in reserve, in case I want a little more. I assume this is a serviceable dose? By the way, haha see pic #2. That one little guy by his lonesome is 16.8 grams....wow! I think I can chow down on just that, and if I need more after an hour, can take more. Note: I have done a bunch of LSA in the past two months (Hawaiian Woodrose and Morning Glory) but not shrooms.

(I took pics of some of the cakes I am unsure of, and I have questions about timelines, but I will post them and some questions about them a little later)






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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 2
    #26590280 - 04/10/20 06:33 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Have you weighed your mushrooms wet VS dry weight so you know how many percent water they are? Easy way to know when they're thoroughly dried :thumbup:


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26590349 - 04/10/20 07:15 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I would not eat a small dose and then reserve some more for additional doseing while tripping. Just eat 20 or 25 grams ND leave it at that. I have done what your thinking about doing and it sets you off on a spiral into"wait did I eat enough?" By the time it kicks in you have eaten 50-60 grams and lose your mind.

If. You want a nice simple trip just eat 20-25 and stop for 8hrs. We mushrooms can come on slow but really last a while once you start going.

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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin]
    #26590374 - 04/10/20 07:22 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Have you weighed your mushrooms wet VS dry weight so you know how many percent water they are? Easy way to know when they're thoroughly dried :thumbup:




No I haven't weighed dry yet because I am going to start drying this weekend.

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I would not eat a small dose and then reserve some more for additional doseing while tripping. Just eat 20 or 25 grams ND leave it at that. I have done what your thinking about doing and it sets you off on a spiral into"wait did I eat enough?" By the time it kicks in you have eaten 50-60 grams and lose your mind.

If. You want a nice simple trip just eat 20-25 and stop for 8hrs. We mushrooms can come on slow but really last a while once you start going.




Well, first off, I wouldn't just keep eating if unsure. LMAO that's a path to madness. :laugh: I'm picturing myself not tripping enough, then pulling out one of my huge bowls of fresh and just chowing down. Nah, lol that's not me. The way I would handle eating more would be to have it on my person or on the kitchen table separate from the rest of my stash, and in two little piles, both 5 grams each. I would limit myself to the small amount set aside. Hahahaha but your visual is awesome.

Honestly, from what I'm reading,25g may be a little much for me my first time out. If I were going to do it your way, I would take the 16.8 gram shroom and then live with it if its too light. I REALLY want to err on the side of going a little light. You know what? I will hopefully be swimming in shrooms in a few weeks to a month. I have the whole summer to trip more medium to heavy.

I really want to take it easy this first time, though.

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    #26590414 - 04/10/20 07:46 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I think heavy on the first dose will give you alot of respect for the shrooms. I'm thinking 30 or 40 wet was my first dose. That's still small for some people. I had an out of body experience and threw a lite cigarette on my carpet that night.

Good thing I had a friend to guide me. Haha

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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin]
    #26590453 - 04/10/20 08:08 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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I had an out of body experience and threw a lite cigarette on my carpet that night.





Oh, yeah lol this is really going to convince me to go heavy. :tongue:

By the way, I rarely disagree with you on the topic of shrooms, and I firmly believe, based on our interaction in this forum, that if you and I knew each other in real life, we would probably be friends. That said, I have to disagree with you on this. I believe that the fact that I want to go so light my first time out with these is my way of showing a healthy respect for the power of these little beauties. I don't think I need the universe to beat me over the head with it for me to gain respect for the immense power that can overwhelm a sentient being with any of these drugs.

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    #26590590 - 04/10/20 09:20 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Okay so some flush, picking, and role questions.

Pic#1 and #2 - I am assume that those two cakes are done with their first flush? Should they be dunked immediately?

Pic #3 is an overview. I know I need to pick all those brown shrooms from the cakes on the upper right. I should have done them this morning, but I'll do them now. But that cake on the middle left, that one I'm not certain about. Then there are the three cakes I got shrooms from. Two cakes in the center and the lower center, as well as the one on the middle left. Should I be picking all of them now? Then I assume I dunk those three as well?

Pics #4 and #5 are closeups of the 3rd pic, so you can see some of the caked a little better.

Pic #5 is a real dilemma. That is a cake that, late last week was bruised and had a lot of blue on it. It is the one Costa Rico cake of all of them that just refuses to this point to fruit very well. Is this something that can turn around, or is this cake just doomed to produce very limited fruiting? Or, alternatively, is it fine and just going slower, perhaps because of the bruising?















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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26590803 - 04/10/20 10:58 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Ok first. Lol I agree we probably would be good friends. I would also be the guy encouraging you to just eat handfuls and right when you started to peak. I would be like," have a good night." And leave you to your own devices. Haha

Yeah dunk the ones that have flushed and you have picked the fruits from.

I wouldn't worry about the one cake that hasn't fruited it may just be behind in its consolidation.

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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin]
    #26590927 - 04/10/20 12:01 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

LOL yeah you’d be a great friend!  ***As I back away from you very slowly, talking to you and very soothing and calm tones.

Thanks for the info! Another quick question, can you or anyone else so inclined please take another look at those cakes with shrooms in them that I was asking about? Because I’m really not sure if I should be picking them. I did pick the two that I mentioned this morning. And now they’re going to have to be dunked as well. I actually might be three cakes that I picked the remaining shrooms from but I don’t remember. I’ll have to look at my terrarium.

I was hoping you’d say that about the cake I had a question about. It looks to me like he’s just lagging a bit behind… Well more than a bit but you know I’m still getting pretty amazing yields from this so I’m happy.

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    #26591023 - 04/10/20 12:51 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Picture 4-5-6 have shrooms that are ready.

Example of what not to pick?

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    #26591214 - 04/10/20 02:24 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Picture 4-5-6 have shrooms that are ready.

Example of what not to pick?





Wow really? Thanks for clearing that one up. :laugh:

So these two, I don't want to wait too long like I did with some of the other cakes. I am guessing these are one or two days'ish away from harvest?




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    #26591281 - 04/10/20 02:55 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Nah if your not taking spore prints they all look ready.

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