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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Jimbo DeMan]
#26575905 - 04/03/20 07:13 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] 1
#26575947 - 04/03/20 07:31 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mateah said: and hope you learn how to grow mushrooms before those unstable fruiting conditions mess up the substrate surface beyond reasonable hopes. 
I don't really understand what you're saying to me here. Are you saying I screwed something up and will not get good yields and flushes?
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Mateah said: If you're worried about your cakes and think your fruiting setup
Well I wasn't until just now. lol
Are you seeing some glaring holes in my implementation of this tek? I was asking about whether or not the verm falling off parts of some cakes was going to give me a problem, and wondering if I should re-roll those cakes in verm.
Ime not even I know exactly what I'm doing all the time especially the more I have to intervene, that's why I believe mushrooms should grow like they do in nature, mostly with as little help as possible. It would be misleading to just tell you "try to create a balanced micro climate without cradling the cakes to death by necessity, but "balanced conditions without too big swings" is easier to write as a sentence in a post than to explain how it's done. There's only one way to do it but that way can vary and seem like you need to learn to do many different things instead of just one, and it all depends on the climate at your house/growing area and the functions of your specific SGFC.
Just off the bad the cakes look a bit too dark like they've been soaked in too much misting more than once. But then again one short period of 'too dry' can have worse effects than that. I wouldn't recommend to roll again don't handle them so much now when they're attempting to produce fruits. Even if you can't see pins it doesn't mean that the fruit productions isn't underway, it's just not very noticeable, but past full colonization is always kind of the process of fruit formation, no matter how nonexistent the pins seem to be. All you can do past full colonization is enable and maintain close to 'optimal fruiting conditions' (another arbitrary expression that you'll know in your heart one day even tho you may struggle to explain it in every given situation. Hope that helps  Your cakes don't look bad but when I think about how my cakes look after birth yours look like they're on flush 1.5 and don't look like maybe the most happiest cakes I have ever seen . I'm in no way dissing you or your grow I hope that obvious
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Mateja] 1
#26575973 - 04/03/20 07:44 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Meteah calm down. LSA is doing fine. Your gonna get peeps all freaked out and confused. Go back to your Coir Tub!
LSA everything looks normal. I wouldn't worry about the verm falling off. And your "less than ideal fruiting setup" has worked for decades for thousands of people. Vermiculite will fall off if you must before it has time to be colonized. Trust your instincts and listen to people who are only here to help and have no self intrest in the out come of your grow. Some people just want to stand around waiting to say "I told you so"
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin] 1
#26576043 - 04/03/20 08:07 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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So suddenly I'm "not really here to help except for self interest" do you think I make money every time someone could get better results with 'training wheels'? In case you haven't noticed I'm not trying to make him switch fruiting chamber I'm just trying to get him to think and worry less, mist less, fan less, basically trying to draw his attention to cakes being succeptable to 'puppy cradle death love'. Overmisting is as detrimental as undermisting you probably know that.
And if you honestly think I'm here to tell him "told you so" then I'm sorry you feel that way. Don't be so hard on yourself, and most people in here are not actually that hineous to want others to fail so they can prove their point. I'll be always here giving out advice which I feel suits the growers and his specific needs and occasionally I might shut up and bite my lip and carry on with less than ideal advice when I feel im being attributed lots of weird qualities lately. But 8 don't take it personally, I don't even think in that way like you seem to think. If I was all about contributing to myself I wouldnt be wasting time helping others in the forum and over PM all the while I'm getting shit for it and thrown out of my own threads, you think I enjoy being appreciated in that way? I though we left this behind us man, no one is that douchebag on this forum like you're painting me to be lol I haven't actually met anyone like that here. Only confused posters
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin] 1
#26576057 - 04/03/20 08:12 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: Meteah calm down. Go back to your Coir tub.
Why don't you put me on ignore since you are so bothered by my posts? I tried giving you props earlier and still I don't have anything personal against you but you're once again coming in the way of me trying to help a new grower learn a few new things and I'm not even discussing the Humidity Chamber with him I'm trying to comfort him about the pin production already being under way, not even he can completely stop it, but he can try to stabilize the climate somewhat without big swings and try to do everything less. Stop projecting these things unto me please let's not make this more personal that it has to be.
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Mateja] 1
#26576091 - 04/03/20 08:23 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree we shouldn't make this personal. Let's keep our little spats to your thread.
OP I apologise for this spilling over here.
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] 1
#26576131 - 04/03/20 08:46 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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LSA Woodrose said: Trust me, I need all the idiot-proofing I can possibly get.
Many growers try different methods until they find what works for them. We have a saying here, when you know how to grow you can grow from a crack in your couch (that's not really a saying here I just made that up, but the moral of the story is the same) so don't be discouraged by failed attempts I know I've had them and many of us have had our fair share of failed grows. Failing is learning. I can't guarantee that you'll learn as much with other methods than with a 'semi-open air grow' like the SGFC but I can guarantee you'll minimize the risks and maintenence both with bulk grows in Shoeboxes and other similar setups. I really hope you nail this first attempt at SGFC, I haven't seen many do it but it's absolutely very possible no matter of experience level. Id say it's more possible the more you learn, and learning is done by failing. Confused much right now?
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin] 1
#26576797 - 04/04/20 07:32 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey guys and THANKS as always for the responses.
I just want to say something a little off topic at the outset of this post. I have been a moderator and supermoderator/admin on one of the biggest gaming/tech sites on the Internet for coming up on 20 years. If I gave you my name on that site, and the same name I use on many other forum sites, and you did a Google search on me, lol you would come up with a million links.
This is NOT me showing off or bragging, but its my way of saying that, while I don't know my ass from a hole in the ground with regard to growing shrooms, when it comes to forums, this is very far from my first rodeo.
So all that said, neither of you has ANY REASON to apologize. lol Well, maybe to each other if things escalate a little more, but not to me. I am learning from the both of you. Mateah, I LOVE your thread. When I get more advanced, I fully intend to study it as I have now been studying PF Tek. Please understand, and I am quite sure that Sockadin can tell you as well, that I almost gave up on ALL of this way back on pages 1-3 of this thread. He can also tell you that the only way I was able to do this is to become so tunnel-visioned and myopically focused on PF Tek, using RogerRabbit's videos, that I have been sort of disregarding all other advice about all other teks! Not that I'm not paying attention. Not that I'm not interested. But because PF Tek is, as far as I can tell, the total n00b tek for people like me who, in the past, have had total brown-thumbs. So it isn't that I'm not interested in shoeboxes, bulk, Coir, HG, and a million other things. I just want to get one or two grows out of the way before taking the training wheels off. And I have chosen PF Tek. Clearly you know a great deal about growing and your HC tek looks really awesome, by the way.
I know you guys are in a heated debate, and actually I think that's cool! I am getting a lot from both of you. From you, I have come to realize that I am actually probably over-misting a little bit. Not ridiculously so, but enough. Since its only Day 3 of putting the first 13 cakes into my SGFC, I have probably not done any real harm. RogerRabbit recommends 5-6 times a day, and that's what I am going to go back to. Days 1 and 2 lol I probably misted about 8 times.
By the way, not to take sides here, Mateah, but there is something you may have missed about Sockadin: before you say that he is against you, let me tell you something. Not once, but TWICE, Sockadin recommended to me that I try your HC for some of my cakes. Once here and once in your own thread. He had glowing praise for your tek, in fact. I doubt very much the guy is against you or trying to diss you publicly, when he had recommended it to me because of the work you're doing, even to the point of suggesting I follow and learn from your thread.
Look, lol this is a message forum. If you guys want to argue, debate, and do it right here in this thread? Go right ahead! Because I learn a lot from that, too. Again, this is a forum. It would actually be very nice if a lot more people were in here talking about this too, rather than just us three, as I would have more information and opinions to learn from. But this Coronavirus and the economy has probably got people a little off their game. Another reason I want to THANK both of you again, for taking the time out of your stressful days to help me.
Nobody says you have to agree. So PLEASE DON'T on my account.
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Sockadin said: LSA everything looks normal. I wouldn't worry about the verm falling off. And your "less than ideal fruiting setup" has worked for decades for thousands of people. Vermiculite will fall off if you must before it has time to be colonized. Trust your instincts and listen to people who are only here to help
Great! I hope you're right. I just dunked & rolled my next three cakes a few minutes ago, and have now filled the fist SGFC, and am waiting for the final 8 to start filling the second.
Some pics to give you guys something else to bicker about (kidding!). The first pic has this cake going a little nuts, only the pins are very, very small. 2 more cakes also seem to be getting some micro-pinning (is that even a word?) this is a couple of hours short of 72 hours, and I am hoping this is okay, and not an indication of something seriously wrong. LMAO I have never seen tiny, little Barbie Dream Pins like this in any of the pics I have looked at on PF Tek.
Pics #3 and #4 are my "floorplan" or layout, for lack of a better word. I have 16 cakes in there right now, which means that my second SGFC, which will hold 8, will give me the space for my 24 cakes. The question is, are these cakes too close? Is this an acceptable SGFC layout now that it is filled up, since I just did my dunk & roll on cakes 14-16?
Edit: Oops! Two of the same pic by accident. I added the third pic in slot #2. Note that these 3 cakes are the only major growth I am seeing so far.



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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] 1
#26576832 - 04/04/20 08:01 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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By the way! Hahaha, holefully a tension-breaker. I want to give you guys even more ammunition to mock me for overthinking this. 
Here is my floor-plan for SGFC, so I can keep track of not only the dates and times I finished my dunk & roll and put specific cakes into my terrarium, but I have the SGFC separated by strains.
GT = Inoculated with Golden Teacher syringe. CR = Inoculated with Costa Rico syringe.
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] 1
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That floor plan looks like a good idea to me, it's nice to know what stuff is and without lots of notes and labels it's easy to get confused.
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Babylon]
#26576851 - 04/04/20 08:25 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Babylon said: That floor plan looks like a good idea to me, it's nice to know what stuff is and without lots of notes and labels it's easy to get confused.
Thanks! lol I was originally going to put some sort of a labeling system inside the SGFC. But that really seemed to be not only a lot of work, but could actually get in the way of growing. So I came up with this as a way to keep meticulous track of what I am doing, without putting a whole bunch of cumbersome shit into my terrarium or even on the outside walls. Also, I am well aware that what the syringes say, in terms of strains, even from site sponsors that are highly trusted, may not actually represent what is inside the syringe.
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] 1
#26576859 - 04/04/20 08:29 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lots of great points. I will keep the answer as simple as I can. You can fit two more cakes in there. HAHA The closer the better in my opinion. Its looking really good to me. Pretty impressive Pins, and mushrooms. At some point they are no longer considered pins once you have a develop cap. You are well on your way. I have to say the old SGFC is looking more successful. There is a lot of hate on it, but it has been misconstrued over time. Not because it doesn't work, but because it is a high maintenance fruiting chamber. Most people want to play with their new toys so there is that.
The most important thing I think I can say about any fruiting device, CUBES are stupid easy to grow.
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
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Babylon said: That floor plan looks like a good idea to me, it's nice to know what stuff is and without lots of notes and labels it's easy to get confused.
Thanks! lol I was originally going to put some sort of a labeling system inside the SGFC. But that really seemed to be not only a lot of work, but could actually get in the way of growing. So I came up with this as a way to keep meticulous track of what I am doing, without putting a whole bunch of cumbersome shit into my terrarium or even on the outside walls. Also, I am well aware that what the syringes say, in terms of strains, even from site sponsors that are highly trusted, may not actually represent what is inside the syringe.
Yeah, it doesn't matter that much outside of PE and some of the albinos and whatnot, a cube's a cube. But it's nice to have some idea of what you are taking sporeprints of, or clones, and it can be fun to compare the trip from different varieties and see if you notice a difference.
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Babylon]
#26576978 - 04/04/20 09:58 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Babylon said: Yeah, it doesn't matter that much outside of PE and some of the albinos and whatnot, a cube's a cube. But it's nice to have some idea of what you are taking sporeprints of, or clones, and it can be fun to compare the trip from different varieties and see if you notice a difference.
Yeah I have been reading an awful lot about the PE strain. While I am fascinated, I am nowhere near ready to try that strain. I need to get a few successful grows under my belt with PF Tek.
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Sockadin said: Lots of great points. I will keep the answer as simple as I can. You can fit two more cakes in there. HAHA The closer the better in my opinion.
Yeah I agree. The only reason I'm not going with that plan by putting more cakes in there as I birth them, is that I have 8 more cakes in jars and another SGFC I made, out of a 32 Quart Sterilte tub, and I measured that to be a perfect size for all of those 8 cakes. If I made a SGFC that would only fit 6, let's say, I would put two more cakes into the first one, and the final 6 into that terrarium.
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Sockadin said: Its looking really good to me. Pretty impressive Pins, and mushrooms. At some point they are no longer considered pins once you have a develop cap. You are well on your way.
Great to know, THANKS! I feel a lot better now. I was a little worried there. That said, I believe I made a mistake when birthing my first 10 cakes. A mistake I hope ends up being minor. I had those 10 cakes scheduled to birth today actually. Since they reached full colonization on Friday 03/27 and my intention was to give them a full week for consolidation. When three of those first 10 jars to colonize started to pin, I should have birthed them and ONLY them. But instead, I made what I now realize was an erroneous error in judgement. That those three pinning jars meant that not only they were fully consolidated, but so were the other 7 jars. If I had it to do over, I would have birthed those three jars only when they pinned, then birthed the other 7 only as they pinned. Also notice only three are the ones really growing now. So my little lay-theory on this is that the three jars that were pinning were the only ones fully consolidated at that time.
Oh well, live and learn, right?
So the other jars, that were not yet fully colonized are going to seem slow to me now. Not because they are slow, but because I think they only reached full consolidation today or yesterday. Which gives those first three jars a three day headstart.
Can someone PLEASE check to make sure that what I am saying above makes sense, based on my research so far, or if I am talking out of my ass?
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Sockadin said: I have to say the old SGFC is looking more successful. There is a lot of hate on it, but it has been misconstrued over time. Not because it doesn't work, but because it is a high maintenance fruiting chamber. Most people want to play with their new toys so there is that.
I tend to equate things like this to religion and cult behavior. There has been a natural evolution of religion, starting with the earliest of inklings of it back in ancient societies like Bablyon and I believe even as far back Mesopotamia. Now growing isn't a religion, and while some might see it as a cult, it really isn't. I'm just making a comparison to how we humans behave with, not only religions, but social norms, philosophies, and paradigms. When a bunch of people worship a certain way, such as the ancient Hebrews, other religions grow out of them. In this case, Islam and Christianity, both with tons of other denominations and variations growing out of them.
I believe that the way this happens, as religions evolve, the fledgling religions adopt some, or even a lot, from the parent religion, but changes things to be different and new. At some point, these fledgling religions, probably in an unconscious effort to distance themselves from the parent religions, starts to rebel, even to the point of violently disparaging the original religion. Hell, sometimes there are horrible wars involved.
Where this is relevant to discussions like this, is that it is my opinion that a lot of the new Tek that maybe even grew out of RogerRabbit's AWESOME PF Tek, now are developing, thriving, and evolving themselves. Analogous to religion, they have their disciples, followers, and practitioners. Maybe they really have found better ways of doing stuff. I would, of course, be the wrong guy to make that determination at this point. But even if they have, that is part of how not only religions, philosophies, and technology evolve, but everything. This is probably the attempt by these Newer Tek practitioners to distance themselves from the "parent religion" (metaphorically speaking, of course). In a weird way, they almost HAVE TO disparage the tenets of the previous Tek. Its how they sort of grow into their own.
*****All this is my opinion, of course.
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Glad to hear this in particular. Because I really do have a brown thumb!
By the way! lol What should I do with this little guy? I'll post a pic of it again so you don't have to hunt through the past page or two. I seriously doubt that this would even be an effective microdose, but I don't want to toss it out. Because at least one site that I visited claimed (true or not) that these little, tiny pins, along with all the aborts, have incredibly high psilcybin content, compared to the full grown ones.
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
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Love the comparison to religion. Yes Mush cult is not really a cult, I think it is short for Cultivation.
Also eat that guy, you may not trip, but why throw it out? Yes pins and abort do have a high concentration of Search Results Web results Psilocybin and psilocyn, but I think it might be compared to full grown mushrooms by weight, So it isn't like you are likely going to have enough of a dose to trip off of that.
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin]
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Sockadin said: Love the comparison to religion. Yes Mush cult is not really a cult, I think it is short for Cultivation.
Also eat that guy, you may not trip, but why throw it out? Yes pins and abort do have a high concentration of Search Results Web results Psilocybin and psilocyn, but I think it might be compared to full grown mushrooms by weight, So it isn't like you are likely going to have enough of a dose to trip off of that.
No I wasn't thinking in terms of eating this one little guy right, this very second. What I am looking to do is to save it for now. If I get a bunch of aborts and shrooms that get distorted or fail to thrive. Then over the next couple of days to a week, wouldn't it be best to just eat all the aborts and hope for a sort of microdose?
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
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Mushroom cultivation, not the same as gaming ha?  But as Sockadin said about cubes being stupid easy to grow, I'll say it again in my words, they're like the weeds of the mushroom family, almost impossible to get rid of them or stop them from growing (... Almost) lol
Well, the pics of the fruiting cakes you posted that you referred to as "the only cakes with major growth" I will tell you this from experience and because I mean well but that growth is indication of not so happy fruits. I was just describing how I view the spectrum of "aborts" in the HC thread yesterday to another grower that was curious. I'd say your fruits are aborting (failing to develop properly) probably because of dry conditions, it's either that or black/dark aborts from too wet conditions. Now you may think inside your video game-brain "what is he talking about, he just told me my cakes look like I'm misting them too much and now he's telling me fruits are aborting due to too dry conditions" but yes, I agree it sounds contradicting but it doesn't take a long time for tiny substrates and even tinier fruits to dry out and be damaged beyond salvation when exposed to just a few hours of too dry conditions while you sleep or are at work or playing video games this was the main reason for why I developed my method (training wheels) that enables much more stable microclimate with much smaller swings in humidity (baby pins do not tolerate nearly as much 'too dry' or 'too wet' conditions as adult fruits do and that's why it's important not to overmist or undermist early on.
Another thing about what RR recommends in his videos about misting 5-6times a day, it's not Islam where you have to face most northern tub and mist it 5 times a day or the Djinn will come and fuck you up. Sometimes you'll need to mist 5 times a day and sometimes you'll need to mist 5 times a week, this is important for you to understand, put down the super nintendo and make a note of this: fruits are a living thing and so is the ambient RH in your grow area, it's not a computer or a machine that does things as programmed both variables 'vary' from hour to hour, from day to day and from week to week. Your eyes will be the only supervisor over when to mist and not what someone says in a video or in a Tek. So keep that in mind next time you grab the spray bottle (it can be called life bottle or death bottle as well, it's a double edged sword for sure) but with experience you'll get better and better at deciding when it's time to mist or how many rounds of the killer water you'll let go in one drive by.
Anyway I hope you see less aborts and more healthy fruits in the coming days and I really like that you're enthusiastic about growing and impartial about my bickering with Sockadin I even praised him in the HC thread for recommending it to other growers and saying he's gonna try it for himself, I said that I view him as more humble than me and I still mean that I just don't take it lightly when someone questions my intentions towards HELPING others to evolve, if it's one thing I'm not down with its when someone begins making it personal and like I'm about wanting someone to fail just to prove my point. I've been doing this (growing) for enough long that I don't have to wait for anything to get anything confirmed if you know what I'm saying
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All I can say is maybe ignore the post above me.  Misting doesn't cause aborts.
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Mateja]
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Thanks, Sockadin!
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Mateah said: Mushroom cultivation, not the same as gaming ha?  But as Sockadin said about cubes being stupid easy to grow, I'll say it again in my words, they're like the weeds of the mushroom family, almost impossible to get rid of them or stop them from growing (... Almost) lol
I'm not sure where all the gaming references are coming from, unless you know me better than I think you do or are citing one of my posts above where I talked about moderating on a huge gaming/tech site. lol Spooky!
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Mateah said: Well, the pics of the fruiting cakes you posted that you referred to as "the only cakes with major growth" I will tell you this from experience and because I mean well but that growth is indication of not so happy fruits.
Since I know very little about this, I can't speak to the veracity of your statement or all the opinions contrary to what you are saying here. I can say, I sure do hope you're wrong, and that those very early pics aren't "unhappy cakes."
I will say this: RogerRabbit is a monster, at least in my estimation. The man is like a God in this shroom-growing community, and he had this to say in this thread [here]:
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RogerRabbit said: You can mist the cakes directly. You can also pour water directly on the pile of verm on top if needed. Just don't let your cakes get waterlogged.
And in this thread [here], he said:
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RogerRabbit said: Yes, pins can get water on them and they will be fine. The old advice of yesteryear not to mist cakes or pins has long been disproved. As long as you have good fresh air supply, you can mist as required.
Plus, you can find many, many places he gives the same advice, including his video series, which are all balls-to-the wall, flat out, over the top amazing! Not for anything, but PF Tek, to the best of my knowledge, is his own tek, and his own invention. Not to call you out, because I know NOTHING compared to you. But you really have to ask yourself, my friend, do you honestly believe that when he was using his video series to educate people about PF Tek that he was talking ONLY to people living in the desert of Afghanistan and Arabian deserts? Are you trying to suggest that people who live on deserts are his target demographic, and NOT in people living in westernized nations like America? I doubt very much that his advice to mist 5-6 times a day was meant to only be utilized by people living in 110 degree deserts. He seemed to be talking to people the western world.
At least that's my take.
Again, I have NO WAY of knowing right now if you're right, or if Sockadin and RogerRabbit are right. SO I am kind of just hoping for the best here!
Edited by LSA Woodrose (04/04/20 09:29 PM)
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin] 1
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If your cakes are drying up because you think there’s too many holes in the tub, you can also just tape up some holes as you go... not sure if that’s pertinent to anything going on in this thread because I’ll be damned if I’m going to read all of it.. but I have been following Mateahs implosion a bit and I don’t think unmodded tubs for cakes is a great idea. I did it for a while when I started out and found it to be a bit suffocating to the cakes. Did it work? Yes, but I found that adding some ventilation helped out A LOT. Where I ended up with my tubs is adding close to an inch holes covered with tyvek sporadically along the tub walls and using press n seal with needle holes poked in it every couple inches like so:

Mind you, that’s pre-SGFC... personally, I think 1/4” holes in the sgfc is a little much. Now, I’ve never done a sgfc because it came out right as I stopped growing, and I was happy with my set up anyway, so I can’t speak from personal experience when it comes to the sgfc, but if I were to do one today, I’d probably use the same design but use 1/8” or even 1/16” holes to thwart drying, but I do think it’s a solid design with evaporation of the perlite etc
As far as misting cakes goes, I never really understood why ppl mist the fruits directly other than a light misting if the fruits looked a little dry... I always found that watering the thing (cake) the mushrooms get their water from to be more beneficial. The reason bottom watering works so well.. as you can see from the picture above, I double ended cased my cakes with a pretty thick layer on the top that I watered so the cake could pull water from at its own pace. If the cake was looking dry, I’d simply soak that layer and a day later, the cake wasn’t dry anymore... I got pretty good at knowing how to keep the cakes from getting to that point so it didn’t happen often, but I had a way to correct the dryness at my disposal.
If you’re getting mostly aborts, I’d say tape up some holes, bottom water, or add a handful of wet verm to the top of the cakes that you can water if you need to.
You’ll like this shot, Mataeh.. these are unmodded HC’s only I used perlite and they were put into clear garbage bags that were left unsealed circa 2003ish iirrc

But those fruits are stretching and I was having to air them out all the time because I was getting heavy trich after the first flush and even pre first flush so I decided to give them more air with the modded tubs.. I got the results I did because I was giving them the water they needed throughout the flush via the thick casing on top
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