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I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! * 1
    #26491573 - 02/18/20 10:57 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Okay, so that's where I'm at. To make things even more complicated, I have always had a brown thumb. Like the reverse-Midas touch, so to speak. So with that as a starting point, I want to grow shrooms with as little fallibility and as high a margin-of-error humanly possible. At least until I progress from total n00b to novice. That said, a few concerns:

-First off, I am going to start perusing the site and learning what I can from reading right after I post this thread. So I guess there's a good chance that many of my n00bish questions will be answered that way. So apologies right off for the coming dumb questions.

-I need a starting point that is as foolproof as possible, so I have a few links from sponsor sites I will post below, and would like your opinions right off, telling me if I am even even on the right track or if I am just barking up the wrong n00blet tree here.

-I would like to use as little space as possible, for possible legal reasons, but more on that later in a subsequent post delineating my legal paranoia. But right now, I want to get started. :smile:


So here are some questions I consider important, and feel free to answer any questions that I am not asking, but you think I should have asked:

1. Assuming I don't bungle my first crop (is this even called a crop?), then from start to finish, how long before I have mushrooms I can actually eat and trip on? One site I went to said about 2 months? If possible, I would LOVE to be able to trip on my own supply as early as this summer? Not sure if that's even reasonable.

2. What species would you guys recommend? I saw some articles suggesting that some of the more potent species' of psychedelic mushrooms were also the hardest to cultivate. Some sites suggested beginners like me stay away from P. cyanescens due to their difficulty to cultivate indoors. Whereas, I also read that Psilocybe cubensis, for instance, is one of the easier mushrooms to cultivate?

3. I live in NY City and even though I have a backyard on my property, growing outside is a non starter. Does my residence in The Big Apple change anything with regard to what I should and should not grow?

4. Other than reading, which I am doing now, what is my best starting point? By that I mean steps 1 and 2, whether its just preparation, purchases, or whatever.

5. Here are some links from sponsored sites I am looking at. I will post pictures from those sites, too, in case asking you to click on links is a waste of your time:


Knowing next to nothing, but what little I have read in these forums and on the web, this looks really promising to me. Feel free to correct my lack of knowledge here:


1&2 read the rules before posting

3. I won't use links for this, but I put a few things in my Amazon shopping cart. However, I will not be ordering them from Amazon. I would rather support the sponsor sites, but I have found that my Amazon cart and wishlist is a great way to keep track of things I want to order elsewhere. Among the things I put in the cart are:

- Naturevibe Botanicals Brown Rice Flour (2lbs)
- Josh's Frogs Vermiculite (10 quarts)
- 10ml/cc Disposable Syringe,Single sterile Individually Packaged (20Pack-10ML) 

Anything else I need? Am I on the right track with looking at some or all of the listed items? Also, if you have any specific recommendations for site sponsors I can order the things I posted, I am open to that.

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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 2
    #26491596 - 02/18/20 11:16 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Just buy a bag of wbs, some coir, quart mason jars, pressure cooker, and 89 cent shoeboxes from Walmart.  Tyvek envelopes are free at the post office.

Then read up on the shoebox teks.

Much easier than pf tek cakes and way cheaper than grow kits.


I got lucky my first grow and had 25gs dried in just over a month from the day I ordered syringes, but I had a super fast culture the rest took another two weeks.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 2
    #26491606 - 02/18/20 11:27 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

1. yes, it will most likely take around 2 months

2. P. Cubensis. I wouldn't recommend trying anything else from the Psilocybe genus to a first timer other than cubensis

3. I have no idea

4. when you're done reading read some more and when you feel like you can't read no more.. read some more!
  this reminded me of this thing from the boondocks i just have to share it
  READ NIGGA READ


5. 1) looks pretty fancy and doesn't seem to be waaay too expensive but you might not even need it. When i did the PF tek i had no moisture/temperature control besides heating the entire room and misting and I had great results
    2) You can't really do anything wrong when choosing spore syringes. Also try not to pay too much attention to what strain they are. If it's cubes it's cubes and it will be ok
    3) Verm and brown rice you can get from pretty much anywhere. I'm not sure what you want to do with the extra syringes tho


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: The_Brown_Wizard] * 2
    #26491624 - 02/18/20 11:47 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

The links in my sig are great. For you particularly the second one :smile:

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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26491644 - 02/18/20 12:01 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

TL DR
Read up first, then ask questions. People don't mind helping those that help themselves but no one wants to hold your hand and lead you thru it

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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26491766 - 02/18/20 01:25 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the detailed answers, everyone!

Much appreciated. To be honest, my head is spinning reading through the threads that I have been linked to. Unfortunately, it looks like the level of dedication, commitment, and research necessary to just grow some shrooms may be far beyond what I am willing to put in. Mostly because I have zero interest in mycology outside the obvious. I will take a break from the reading now. Maybe later or tomorrow I'll try again to see if I can understand even half of the terminology you folks are saying, and I see in those other threads.

Right now, I'm kind of just leaning toward sticking with my trusty Morning Glory and and HBW seeds, as the water extraction is easy, quick, and I don't need to go to school on anything to get what I need from them.

Anyway, thanks again, and my apologies if I have unintentionally broken any site rules, particularly in my first post.

Peace. :mushroom2:

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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 4
    #26491780 - 02/18/20 01:35 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Dont give up so easily just because of big words.

Growing mushrooms is stupid simple. If I can do it anyone can.

Start with the pf tek. This shit is easy and you need to learn about shrooms so you'll know they are not toxic!

Morning glory seeds vs mushroons...  ??

Like a cap gun vs a howitzer

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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: mushboy] * 2
    #26491788 - 02/18/20 01:40 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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Dont give up so easily just because of big words.

Growing mushrooms is stupid simple. If I can do it anyone can.

Start with the pf tek. This shit is easy and you need to learn about shrooms so you'll know they are not toxic!

Morning glory seeds vs mushroons...  ??

Like a cap gun vs a howitzer




:whathesaid:

Seriously, I'm still a total noob (in my 2nd year of growing only) but the PF TEK is so easy a deaf and blind canine can do it.

And now I'm in love with the hobby and always expanding my knowledge/going into better techniques.

I'm sure you can mix some brf, verm and water in a jar, PC or steam sterilize and inoculate with a syringe.

That is literally 90% of the PF TEK right there.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: mushboy]
    #26491795 - 02/18/20 01:45 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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Morning glory seeds vs mushroons...  ??

Like a cap gun vs a howitzer





LMAO!!

Fair enough. I even agree. I have done mushrooms a small handful of times in my life, and the color and high were sweet. I like the seeds, but I refuse to take as much of them as I probably need for colors and visuals, so I have been just using them for the introspection and insights I seem to garner.

As for your other points, I will read the PF Tek stuff. I started to, but was kind of drowning in it, to be honest. It may be simple, but it really doesn't seem that way to me right now.

And I don't want to be that guy who asks for advice, gets what I need but don't want, then proceeds to shoot the messenger(s) who took time out of their day.

Point is, I'm reading, but I don't feel like I'm getting it. Obviously that's on me. I'll give it another shot, though. Thanks!


Edit:
Socrateshroom, I will give it a shot, thanks. I'm just getting a serious vibe (not in this thread so much, but the site in general) that people are impatient with newcomers who don't spend enough time learning, which I completely understand. And I don't want to argue, especially if the problem is ME, and maybe I don't have what it takes to do this.

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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26491834 - 02/18/20 02:04 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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Edit:
Socrateshroom, I will give it a shot, thanks. I'm just getting a serious vibe (not in this thread so much, but the site in general) that people are impatient with newcomers who don't spend enough time learning, which I completely understand. And I don't want to argue, especially if the problem is ME, and maybe I don't have what it takes to do this.




I get you. The truth is, it really isn't for everyone. And you do need to commit some time/money to this along with learning.

I think the people here are awesome with newcomers, they just might be a bit jaded for having to repeat themselves a billion times since no one uses the search function here.

Anyway, I literally printed out the PF TEK (barely having read it, only enough to buy the equipment I needed) went into my kitchen and did it. And my first grow with cakes was very successful. Then I went up and re-read it a few times because I really liked it and now I love the hobby.

I can write you up a very simple "PF TEK for dummies" sort of thing when I have a moment if you'd like.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26491855 - 02/18/20 02:17 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

You know what, Socratesehroom? I think I am going to print the manual out as well. Not sure why I didn't think of that before, but you just reminded me that a lot of times, I hate staring at my computer screen, trying to learn stuff. Too many distractions like websites, email, games, and whatever else wants to pull at my attention strings. But I can go into the other room and read a paper copy of that as you suggested, without all the superfluous distractions.

Thanks again, I really appreciate the time you took! I don't want to put you out, though. Summarizing a manual into a Dummies guide is a lot more work than I have a right to ask.

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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Socrateshroom] * 1
    #26491864 - 02/18/20 02:23 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

I'm very new to being active here, but I've been around, read a lot, and can attest to these folks being very calm and patient with new folk - while being firm, and managing expectations vs. reality.

It can be a struggle while seeing the same things posted/asked all the time (some of these folks have been here like 20 years or more). I've worked customer support in a lot of capacities, and it's the same thing there.

You seem to have a handle on yourself, and I'm sure you have more than enough wherewithal to be successful. PF tek FTW, print that B out and study like it's for a final!

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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26491867 - 02/18/20 02:24 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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You know what, Socratesehroom? I think I am going to print the manual out as well. Not sure why I didn't think of that before, but you just reminded me that a lot of times, I hate staring at my computer screen, trying to learn stuff. Too many distractions like websites, email, games, and whatever else wants to pull at my attention strings. But I can go into the other room and read a paper copy of that as you suggested, without all the superfluous distractions.

Thanks again, I really appreciate the time you took! I don't want to put you out, though. Summarizing a manual into a Dummies guide is a lot more work than I have a right to ask.




:hehehe: PF TEK is so simple i wouldn't mind basically making an itemized list.

Plus you don't have to focus on the birthing part until you're nearly there. I learned the preparing and inoculating part. Then when I had my jars sitting and colonizing, I read what I need to do to birth them and then I made my fruiting chamber. All the while I went back to the post I printed out (and yes, it seems so much easier when you print it out! The scrolling through makes it look like it's more than it really is).

I'll write up a simple list and  :pm: you. Then you can ask me any questions and I'll gladly help. Just give me some time to right it up, i'm doing some work now so I can't do it right now.

I'm no expert but I mastered the PF TEK process because I stuck with it longer than I should have :hehehe:


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26491881 - 02/18/20 02:32 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

If I was just starting out knowing what I know now I would buy a print of a cube to start with or a single syringe of a cube. I would then buy some plastic petri dishes, agar, light malt extract powder, a scalpel, a box gloves, disinfectant wipes, 70% hydrogen peroxide, a lighter, a large clear plastic tote to make a still air box, a lot of quart jars, wild bird seed, and the largest pressure cooker you can afford to fit as many quart jars in for later. A long sleeved lab coat makes things easier but any long sleeved shirt will work if clean. Extra petri dishes are also a good idea for when you clone your best mushrooms. This will allow for better and more uniform harvests.

Learn to make agar plates. Once you have clean plates inside your still air box that you misted to have contaminates fall with the falling mist, squirt a drop of the syringe on to your plate and let the spores germinate. You will know you have success if you get clean white growth. Post pics, we will let you know if it's a contaminate or not. Once you have a clean plate of mycelium (the white stuff) you can transfer to grains or to more agar to make more. Growing in brown rice flower will work but agar to grains are a better way in my opinion.

Time line is the agar will take 3-7 days to germinate from spores (guess don't hold me to that)

1-2 weeks after germination to full plate colonization. You don't have to wait for the plate to be fully colonized but the more colonized agar you transfer the more mycelium you have to inoculate your grains with.

Jars 2-4 weeks? Jars can colonize fast or slower for reasons like genetics. Not all humans of any race are tall, the same is true for mushrooms. Even the same variety will have different speeds of development so you might have a fast grower or a slow one. Also some varieties are faster than others. Contamination will slow down or even stop colonization. Improperly preparing grains for your jars can slow things down too. Learn what field capacity means as you will use it in this hobby.

Sub colonization 2 weeks. After full colonization of jars you still have to mix it in with sub and let that colonize.

Fruiting conditions 1 weeks. Again could be more or less but expect to wait about 1 more week before you see pins.

Pins to harvest 1 week. When these start pinning and growing into mushrooms you will be amazed at how fast they grow.

Harvest to dehydrated 6 - 24 hours. So this one I think is one where some hobbyists would slap you if you didn't dehydrate for 24 hours as mold will destroy your finished product if you leave moisture. I cut up my harvest as to speed up the dehydration process but get yourself a dehydrator. Fresh mushrooms are a little more potent but some people can't stomach fresh (I like them but I'm weird I'm told).

So you are looking at about 2.5 months from when you start.

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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: FreeCanadianHugs]
    #26492155 - 02/18/20 05:24 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Okay thanks again. I received a very good PM from one member, and like some here, they recommend Shoeboxes because of their simplicity. If I am reading this right (and please correct me if I'm wrong) this shoebox method is a lot more idiot-proof than the Pf Tek method? Trust me, I need all the idiot-proofing I can possibly get.

Okay, I am going to do some reading on shoeboxes now, so as not to ask more completely dumb questions.


Thanks all!

Edit: Oh and there are a lot of posts in this thread I want to respond to more specifically, but I think before I do, I need to at least read up on some of this stuff. So if I haven't responded to you specifically, its not because I didn't want to or am not grateful. I would just like to at least try to be a little informed before I start trying to respond to posts. Even if I don't go with pf tek, I think I should read it anyway, so going to print it out now, along with anything I can find on shoeboxes.

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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26492924 - 02/19/20 07:20 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Wow, just a shoutout to @wildernessjunkie! In another thread I asked a question about grow kits, and when he gave me some advice on the pros and cons (mostly cons) it ended up dovetailing unintentionally into the topic of my thread here.

He sent me to a site with a series of videos, walking users through the process. Now, he's a moderator, so he is allowed to post links to external sites, and I'm not sure I am. But watching the first few videos on pf tek was mind-blowing. To reiterate what I posted there, I can't believe that it literally NEVER occurred to me to look for a video walkthrough of these procedures. I am a huge gamer, and I love to cook, and also as a guitar player, I routinely use videos for instructions, walkthroughs, tips, and tricks in all three of those areas.

I watched a few of them so far, and seriously, it looks incredibly simple that way.

I have no idea why, but when trying to read through the various guides people were sending me to, I just wasn't getting it. I was reading the same passages over and over again, and while I understood the words and the sentences, I just couldn't grasp the meanings of the instructions in a way that I could correlate to actually doing it.

Yet, watching the videos I was blown away by how similar this procedure is to basic cooking. I remember the first time I made Sheperd's Pie, and did a reverse-sear ala Peter Luger style, on a huge Porterhouse steak, and even made some more recipes, like Shrimp Francese, a really awesome homemade Ceasar Salad dressing I absolutely love, etc..

Watching these videos reminded me of how much simply following a recipe alleviates a lot of that intimidation factor. Like the first time I made a huge multilayered carrot cake, with the homemade frosting and all the cool frosting decorations, like carrots (using frosting and green then orange food coloring and such) plus all the cool little frosting designs. I never honestly thought I could replicate what they do for carrot cakes in my favorite Italian bakery, here in Brooklyn. But step by step, using pictures and a video, mine came out better than the ones from the pros.

This seems a lot like that. Now that I am watching the videos, it looks so simple. I want to watch them all, since I only watched the first three. But once I get through them all at least twice each, I am going to start doing it. Maybe as early as next week!

Thanks to all of you who gave me very detailed info. This looks like just another cooking recipe, only with growing.

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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26492977 - 02/19/20 08:00 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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Wow, just a shoutout to @wildernessjunkie! In another thread I asked a question about grow kits, and when he gave me some advice on the pros and cons (mostly cons) it ended up dovetailing unintentionally into the topic of my thread here.

He sent me to a site with a series of videos, walking users through the process. Now, he's a moderator, so he is allowed to post links to external sites, and I'm not sure I am. But watching the first few videos on pf tek was mind-blowing. To reiterate what I posted there, I can't believe that it literally NEVER occurred to me to look for a video walkthrough of these procedures. I am a huge gamer, and I love to cook, and also as a guitar player, I routinely use videos for instructions, walkthroughs, tips, and tricks in all three of those areas.

I watched a few of them so far, and seriously, it looks incredibly simple that way.

I have no idea why, but when trying to read through the various guides people were sending me to, I just wasn't getting it. I was reading the same passages over and over again, and while I understood the words and the sentences, I just couldn't grasp the meanings of the instructions in a way that I could correlate to actually doing it.

Yet, watching the videos I was blown away by how similar this procedure is to basic cooking. I remember the first time I made Sheperd's Pie, and did a reverse-sear ala Peter Luger style, on a huge Porterhouse steak, and even made some more recipes, like Shrimp Francese, a really awesome homemade Ceasar Salad dressing I absolutely love, etc..

Watching these videos reminded me of how much simply following a recipe alleviates a lot of that intimidation factor. Like the first time I made a huge multilayered carrot cake, with the homemade frosting and all the cool frosting decorations, like carrots (using frosting and green then orange food coloring and such) plus all the cool little frosting designs. I never honestly thought I could replicate what they do for carrot cakes in my favorite Italian bakery, here in Brooklyn. But step by step, using pictures and a video, mine came out better than the ones from the pros.

This seems a lot like that. Now that I am watching the videos, it looks so simple. I want to watch them all, since I only watched the first three. But once I get through them all at least twice each, I am going to start doing it. Maybe as early as next week!

Thanks to all of you who gave me very detailed info. This looks like just another cooking recipe, only with growing.




Glad to hear! I won't clutter up your inbox with my weird list :hehehe:

The video things is a good idea! I knew you would come to your senses and realize that this is easier than breathing.

I would, however, suggest a pressure cooker if you can find one or have one. It takes the guessing game out of whether you sterilized properly or not.

And grate them to bulk so you don't have to make a SGFC. That is honestly the hardest part, drilling 600,000 holes while pleading for the sweet release of death.


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    #26492989 - 02/19/20 08:07 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

PF tek is cute, but grain spawn is the stuff of gods. Come over to the oat side...

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    #26493068 - 02/19/20 09:04 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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Glad to hear! I won't clutter up your inbox with my weird list :hehehe:




No, please do! Now that I am watching the videos, reading and compreending the materials is also easier. So anything you feel like you want to send me feel free.

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The video things is a good idea! I knew you would come to your senses and realize that this is easier than breathing.




lol Never heard that one before.

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I would, however, suggest a pressure cooker if you can find one or have one. It takes the guessing game out of whether you sterilized properly or not.




I have a nice one, its an old T-Fal, but I have to call the company and make sure it's still working and functional, since I haven't used it in a while. I cool a lot, so even without doing this, I need a pressure cooker anyway.

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And grate them to bulk so you don't have to make a SGFC. That is honestly the hardest part, drilling 600,000 holes while pleading for the sweet release of death.




I have literally no idea what any of this means. Can you explain this? Thanks! :smile:


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PF tek is cute, but grain spawn is the stuff of gods. Come over to the oat side...




No problem, but how about letting me get my feet wet with this first, then I may come over to the dark oat side.

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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26493090 - 02/19/20 09:21 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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LSA Woodrose said:

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Socrateshroom said:
And grate them to bulk so you don't have to make a SGFC. That is honestly the hardest part, drilling 600,000 holes while pleading for the sweet release of death.




I have literally no idea what any of this means. Can you explain this? Thanks! :smile:





No problem!

This has to do when your BRF jars are ready (finished colonizing and you are ready to take them out of the jars) so you don't need to worry about this yet.

But, once you take the cakes out of the jars, you have 2 options:

1) Put the cakes into fruiting conditions using a fruiting chamber (SGFC, Humidity Chamber)
or
2) Use a cheese grater to grate the cakes. Put them in a sterilite container, also known as a shoebox, mix it with prepared coir (coir mixed with boiling water in an insulated container) and let them go at it.

Honestly, #2 is easier. I'd make a small humidity chamber if I were you to birth a few cakes into so you can compare which one does better, your bulk or your cakes.


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