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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin]
#26573634 - 04/02/20 04:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sockadin, if you read my post in the other thread you brought up the HC, you'll see that I think I'm better off sticking with going full blown PF Tek, with the second SGFC I created yesterday out of a 32 Quart container. I really don't want to be going out and buying other stuff like tubs or Coir, or whatever right now. It took me an HOUR to get into my local Home Depot to buy the 32 Quart tub I needed yesterday.
Not only that, but my next 6 cakes are colonized and I am waiting for consolidation or pinning in vitro, which I think will come in the next day or two. The slightly lagging 5 jars will mostly be ready a day or two after that. So better I stick with PF Tek for now. But as I also said in that other thread, I have enough MS left in my syringes, and I'm pretty sure enough Verm, not to mention plenty of BRF, so that I can probably inoculate 5 maybe 6 jars. That gives me another 4-6 weeks to get whatever tubs or other supplies you guys say I will need for an HC.
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] 1
#26573669 - 04/02/20 05:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I haven't went back and looked at the speeds from Inoculation. But I think the ones that are lagging behind are actually right on track and all the other ones are just really great genetics with a very careful and we'll thought out cultivator at the helm.
Your doing a great job btw. I have been on this site for a decade and there are so many people who just can't take directions and always change something and tweak stuff on their first grow. Nice job, it's why I'm still hanging out on your thread.
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin]
#26573709 - 04/02/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: I haven't went back and looked at the speeds from Inoculation. But I think the ones that are lagging behind are actually right on track and all the other ones are just really great genetics with a very careful and we'll thought out cultivator at the helm.
I'm thinking you're 100% right. Plus, two of the jars I accidentally didn't inoculate, back on 03/06, which I noticed because there was no mycelium forming AND there were no needle holes punched in the micropore tape. So I inoculated those two on 03/12. Those I expected to lag, but they are actually coming along really nice now. lol
The rest, though, as you say, are going at a good pace as well, but I think the pinning in a couple of jars spoiled me a little.
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Sockadin said: Your doing a great job btw. I have been on this site for a decade and there are so many people who just can't take directions and always change something and tweak stuff on their first grow. Nice job, it's why I'm still hanging out on your thread.
Thank you so much! As always.
Yeah, the last thing I want to do is try to improvise on an instrument I can't even fully play chords and notes on yet. (guitar player metaphor) So I was determined to follow the Tek as taught, from beginning to end, without question and without any sort of changes on my end. For better or worse, this fastidious approach I am taking is causing me to overthink everything. As you and other have pointed out. But its only because I want to be sure I am getting everything right.
Still not 100% sure about fanning, but it seems like its outdated from what I am seeing, so I am not fanning right now. Just misting and watching and waiting.
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] 1
#26573898 - 04/02/20 07:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah in your area not fanning is fine. If your RH in you house is 30% the air will circulate through the chamber. But if they are in a closet you might fan once a day. It doesn't hurt and most people who say don't fan are referring to Tubs. Your cakes will tell you when it's time to fan. I do because my RH is always over 50 so I don't get the natural wicking the dryer air outside will usually do. The swings are lower for me. I even fan my tubs just to mix in some FAE.
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin]
#26573968 - 04/02/20 08:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Great to know, Sockadin. So since they’re in a closet i’ll resort to fanning once a day for 1 to 2 minutes. But because I’m afraid of drying my cakes out, I’ll do it while I’m misting, or rather I’ll mist after fanning so that any drying is compensated for by the misting.
You know, it just occurred to me a few minutes ago, that I’ve been so focused on the timetable for sterilizing, inoculating, colonizing, consolidation and birthing etc., that it never occurred to me to ask about the timetable for fruiting. Milestones and such. I googled it, but I was getting very mixed results. So, what are the milestones I’m looking for now that I put the first 13 cakes into the SGFC? Meaning when will I start actually seeing some growth? When will I start seeing pins and what I read about called aborted mushrooms? When will the caps usually start growing? Approximately how long to harvesting? And what about second, third, and however many flushes I’m supposed to be doing?
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26573995 - 04/02/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Pins can be slow. Usually a couple days to see Knott's sometime longer depending on consolidation times. Once you have a definitive cap 3-5 days. There is a stage where the pin is there and nice and healthy and you go to sleep and BAM it's a big old mushoom the next morning.
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin]
#26574023 - 04/02/20 09:05 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Great timetable. OK, so now I’m reading a lot about not misting the cakes directly, which goes against at least my interpretation of the videos that Roger rabbit posted. I have been misting the cakes directly, but I don’t squeeze the trigger hard. I squeeze the trigger very softly so it’s a very light misting, as opposed to like using the spray bottle as a water pistol LOL. As far as lighting, I’m sticking with 12 hours on, and 12 hours off. Even though a lot of sites on the Internet I’ve read about this tek say only eight hours on per day with light. Not telling anybody anything they don’t already know, but man, there are a lot of different opinions about everything on the Internet.
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] 2
#26574050 - 04/02/20 09:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Light is a direction of growth and is beneficial to fruit body development. I am not a mycologist, but mycelium does have a circadian rythum so do you get 8 hrs of light a day?
Also depends on the mister. Some people say the lighter the mist droplets size the better off you are. I use a big shitty spray bottle and it does cause the Mycelium to bruise.
I have heard of using the lens cleaner bottle for glasses and even a small hand sani style bottle. Fixing to switch because, well I seem to use alot of hand sanitizer working in "essential industry"
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] 1
#26574120 - 04/02/20 10:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Misting cakes directly is fine. However, if theyre is fruits on the cake, its best to not spray your cakes with a lot of water as direct water contact can "burn" holes in your fruits. A fine mist of water on your fruits is fine but dont heavily spray fruits.
As for lighting, the typical cycle is 12 on and 12 off. Its the closest to a natural day. I would say 8hrs minimal of light per day is ideal.
There maybe some on the Shroomery that has conducting varying light cycle experiments but Im not sure of anybody at the moment....
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26574468 - 04/03/20 03:52 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks, Sockadin and Logical Chaos!
I will stick with 12 on, 12 off then, as my terrarium is in a big closet, which remains closed. So the ambient light in there is effectively zero. However, I did buy a 4-pack of these 6500K CFL 200 Watt bulbs. See pic below. So I am hoping this is all I need. I use one of them to give the colonizing and consolidating jars light in my kitchen, and hung one of those inexpensive fixtures with a clip on it, also from Amazon, in my closet. Ha, on a side note, I love Alexa! When I first started this project, I bought one of those old style, rotary timers. Its one of those timers that have pins in it to set on/off cycles on a 24 hour cycle. Its actually quite nice. I set it for 12 hours on, 12 hours off in the fixture I put on my kitchen table. Then I slapped myself, realizing that I can set timers and "routines" using any one of my MANY Smart Plugs. So I set up one of my extras in the closet, and it works like a charm for 12 and 12. Logical Chaos, I also read on some sites that misting the cakes themselves directly is fine as long as you don't actually mist the growing shrooms. But I wanted to check here anyway, because I trust all of you guys a helluva lot more than a bunch of random sites.
Although, one mistake I did make over the last two days, just realizing it now, is that I have misted the cakes directly and probably did hit some of those little micro-pins I posted pics of a few pages back. So I may end up with some bruising if any of those pins don't abort and try to grow to full size. But LMAO they are all literally a few millimeters in length and width.
As far as misting is concerned, I am really trying to go as light as possible.
Thanks again, guys!! I hope everyone is staying safe during this insane time in all of our lives. I hope you all have plenty of supplies and necessities, and are holding up well.
Edited by LSA Woodrose (04/03/20 03:59 AM)
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26574518 - 04/03/20 04:41 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nothing wrong with misting fruiting substrates directly (I'm honestly don't even know how to mist any other way and what the opposite of 'directly' even is)
The problem is rather standing water on top of fruits that doesn't evaporate off in reasonable time and thus causes damaged fruits tissue and can cause aborts with young pins. If they can survive rain in the nature they can surely survive being sprayed a few times with a spray bottle. Just pointing out that fruits probably don't stay soaked for days in a row in nature even efter a hard rain. Evaporation is the key.
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Mateja]
#26574777 - 04/03/20 08:38 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mateah said: Nothing wrong with misting fruiting substrates directly (I'm honestly don't even know how to mist any other way and what the opposite of 'directly' even is)
The problem is rather standing water on top of fruits that doesn't evaporate off in reasonable time and thus causes damaged fruits tissue and can cause aborts with young pins. If they can survive rain in the nature they can surely survive being sprayed a few times with a spray bottle. Just pointing out that fruits probably don't stay soaked for days in a row in nature even efter a hard rain. Evaporation is the key.
This conforms with the majority of information I have read on all the reputable sites. I just wanted to make sure before proceeding. I came up with my one and only "improvisation," more of a hair-brained scheme, actually. I know that when the fruiting starts, you're supposed to mist very carefully. But even before that point, my little improv is to irrigate the perlite directly. Right now, since the first SGFC isn't yet full, its very easy to do, since I can slowly pour water over the empty perlite. Then I go around the SGFC and slowly drizzle water into the white perlite spaces between the cakes. Where I think this will come in handy is, not really now, when I can still mist, but when I can no longer mist the tops of the fruits and they start to get in the way of misting other parts of the crop. If it gets too cramped in there when fruiting is more advanced, I can use an old turkey baster to get between the shrooms and hopefully irrigate the perlite.
By the way, a fun fact I have found out through experimenting with it, using pots and pans to catch overflow from all the bottom holes, is that I seem to be able to slowly pour about 4 fluid ounces of water without getting any overflow spilling out. That means I can keep the perlite nice and moist even when I have more trouble misting.
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26575098 - 04/03/20 11:34 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, a mini-update I forgot to mention before. I birthed three more cakes this morning and they are sitting in their dunk until 5:15 AM EST tomorrow. So that will make 16 of 24 so far in the terrarium as of tomorrow.
Oh, one casualty in the first jar I birthed this morning. I accidentally knocked this little guy loose:
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26575227 - 04/03/20 01:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Weird Question:
Is it wrong or useless that whenever I mist my cakes or check temp and humidity (as inaccurate as my hygro is) that I hold my breath, so as not to exhale and breathe CO2 into the holes in my terrarium?
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26575408 - 04/03/20 03:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sorry about all the questions, but I have noticed that some of the verm has fallen off some spots on some cakes. I don't think it was from misting, as I'm careful, but anything is possible. I think its just gravity.
Anyway, is this something I need to worry about? Its early enough that if you guys think I should roll those cakes in some verm just to cover up the exposed mycelium, please let me know and I will. Or do you think I should just leave it as is and ignore?
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26575494 - 04/03/20 04:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Those barbie dream shrooms might turn into aborts
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Babylon]
#26575533 - 04/03/20 04:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Babylon said: Those barbie dream shrooms might turn into aborts
Honestly, I was kind of assuming that from the beginning. They’re very delicate and little. I’m not sure if this has anything to do with my question, but, thanks for the information.
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26575631 - 04/03/20 05:20 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just mist the perlite daily or twice a day and don't worry about the cakes, and hope you learn how to grow mushrooms before those unstable fruiting conditions mess up the substrate surface beyond reasonable hopes. 
I wish I could give you more useful tips without changing the subject completely.. If you're worried about your cakes and think your fruiting setup requires too much maintenence then I guess you could put your eggs into more baskets so everything doesnt have to face equally lame fate.
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Mateja]
#26575728 - 04/03/20 06:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mateah said: and hope you learn how to grow mushrooms before those unstable fruiting conditions mess up the substrate surface beyond reasonable hopes. 
I don't really understand what you're saying to me here. Are you saying I screwed something up and will not get good yields and flushes?
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Mateah said: If you're worried about your cakes and think your fruiting setup
Well I wasn't until just now. lol
Are you seeing some glaring holes in my implementation of this tek? I was asking about whether or not the verm falling off parts of some cakes was going to give me a problem, and wondering if I should re-roll those cakes in verm.
Edited by LSA Woodrose (04/03/20 06:25 PM)
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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26575894 - 04/03/20 07:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hi,everybody. I am new to the Shroomery and this interesting hobby. I've been doing some reading on mushroom cultivation, one place was on this site. I hope to learn alot from you folks. Ill try to be as brief as possible but I am excited. Ordered spores last week from someone you folks have alot of respect for and they arrived today. Haven't opened them yet, kinda being sneaky because of the wife. I ordered Dancing Tiger and asked R about any freebies with my order. So, I'll see what I have in the morning. I hope to start this project this weekend depending on how much alone time I have. I have my Vermiculite, brown rice flour that I ground myself. I did veer from the recipe just a smidge, I also have a small amout of corn grits and wheat germ for the PF Tek cakes. Let me tell you and show you my fruiting chamber (if I can upload pics). I've got a food grade plastic bucket with 101 holes drilled in it for air exchange with a thermometer mount on the underside of the lid. Trying to keep the small. Let me know what you think of this. Instead of gritty perlite, I thought maybe packing sponge would work for a water reservoir/humiditygenerator. Please feel free to advise. Crap, how do you attach pics ?
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