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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26565165 - 03/29/20 11:57 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

No your good. You don't need a consolidation period at all, but once you birth you jars if they haven't consolidated the will just sit in the FC for a week before pinning..

Basically the consensus is that if we know it takes a week on average to digest the cake before fruiting will start, why not leave them in the jar to do this to prevent over or under hydration. The jar is the safest place before fruiting so leave them in it.

They will start to pin invitro if left longenough, and at that point you would definitely want to birth them.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin]
    #26565580 - 03/29/20 03:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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No your good. You don't need a consolidation period at all, but once you birth you jars if they haven't consolidated the will just sit in the FC for a week before pinning..

Basically the consensus is that if we know it takes a week on average to digest the cake before fruiting will start, why not leave them in the jar to do this to prevent over or under hydration. The jar is the safest place before fruiting so leave them in it.

They will start to pin invitro if left longenough, and at that point you would definitely want to birth them.




Great thanks again!

This coincides 100% with all I read on various sites, when I did a Google search on this, so I was pretty sure what you just posted was true. The problem online is that the Internet is often a vast repository of disinformation, too. So before I took the word(s) of a bunch of random, Joe-Blow sites around the web, I wanted to hear it from you guys first, since I trust you a hundred times more than some random site spewing out whatever about whatever.

So since half of the jars in Group II are fully colonized, and three are literally millimeters away from being there, I am going to wait until tomorrow to start the 7 day clock on that group. This way some jars in that group will be birthed 8 days after full colonization and the rest will be birthed 7 days after. So I will birth the 10 jars in group I this coming Friday, 04/03 and the 7 jars in Group II on Monday 04/06.

The final 7 I will play by ear. Though I fully expect 6 of them to be ready later this week, which means I am guessing that I will birth those 6 between April 7th and 10th. As for that final, slowpoke jar, that may be another week or more. lol Weird how that works out!


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26565635 - 03/29/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin] * 1
    #26565666 - 03/29/20 04:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

i wouldnt worry too much about space. Life will find a way..check this pic from the shroomery..

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/thumbs/07-008/218832858-thumb_gt1st.jpg


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: woofwoof] * 1
    #26565813 - 03/29/20 05:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

That's a terrible picture cause you linked the thumbnail but yeah the more cakes you can cram into a SGFC the better.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26565843 - 03/29/20 06:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Okay, guys. Hahaha, be warned, you have only yourselves to blame for sending me right back into overthinking mode yet again. Feel free to mock me for it, though, I'm a big boy. However, back to the "distance" and "space" issue. On a previous page, when I asked how close the cakes should be to one another in my SGFC, I was given 4 different answers by 4 different people. Now we're back to a 5th answer, which is "as close as possible."

Guys, come on! LMAO "As close as possible" literally means nothing to me. As close as possible means they can be touching. As close as possible could mean they are 2 millimeters away from one another. As opposed to the aforementioned previous page with answers that literally ranged from 1", to 2", to 3", and I think one person may have even said 4" apart.

Now, for the love of everything holy, and with all deference to the fact that each of you all knows 100 times more about this than me, can't we please have something remotely resembling a consensus so that I don't pull my hair out (while overthinking) trying to decide what "as close as possible" actually means in, ya know, English? Well, okay, it is English, but its also maddeningly imprecise, no? I can't tell, for instance, looking at woofwoof's picture, if those cakes are jutting up against each other or are about an inch apart, because of what looks like growth pouring out of the sides.

Also, just as important, how far should the cakes be from the walls of the terrarium? I know, I know...as close as possible. Whatever that means. :crazy2:


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26565859 - 03/29/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'm gonna attempt to blow your mind.
. Stack your cakes! You can't stack them vertically and BAM way more efficient SGFC.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin]
    #26565867 - 03/29/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm gonna attempt to blow your mind.
. Stack your cakes! You can't stack them vertically and BAM way more efficient SGFC.




Hahaha just as long as its only my mind you're blowing there, tough guy. Did you mean I "can" stack them vertically?

So, the analytical part of the question then becomes this: Is there a point where close becomes "too close" because the side pins from cakes will begin to obstruct and encumber the growth from the sides of the surrounding, adjacent cakes?


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26565878 - 03/29/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah stack them vertically. The side and bottom pins are only going to increase your RH in the tub and the holes will help with FAE.

My point is that there is no such thing as spawn or cakes being to close. You see it all the time with Bulk sub side pinning. The only reason people hate side pins is that they are a bitch to harvest. This is why someone invented the liner on bulk subs.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin]
    #26565914 - 03/29/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

OK, it’s starting to make a little more sense to me now, Sockadin. So, does the same principle hold true for putting the cakes very close to the sides of the actual container? I’m guessing by your answer that I can put them literally right up against (touching) the 4 sides of the container if I wanted to without harming my yield? Well that seems very counterintuitive to me, because while  I might welcome the side pins, if you say that that’s OK, then as far as I’m concern that’s the gospel truth, and that’s what I’m going to do.

All that said, I’m going to be birthing the first 10 cakes this coming Friday, and the second 7 cakes next Sunday, a week from today. Which means that they’ll be planted into the terrarium Saturday and Monday, respectively. So rather than continuing to ask questions about this and confuse myself even more LOL, how about I get everything set up into the SGFC. Then I’ll post pictures here, and you guys can tell me if everything looks good or not?


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26567981 - 03/30/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah even when you get invetro pinning you would think that there is no room but the mushrooms find away.  Love to see a birth picture, and take a moment when you crack them open to smell the cakes. It's a smell that is unique and it will stay with you for a long time


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin] * 1
    #26568192 - 03/30/20 09:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

One reason not to have them too close is that an air gap can slow down contamination from travelling from one cake to another.  Just to make you overthink a little more...


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26568470 - 03/31/20 05:38 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Okay, this is a little insane. Not sure if this is a good thing or not, but when I woke up a little while ago, I noticed that there are some tiny little mushrooms in one of my jars, and one or two tiny ones in another.

The first three pics are one jar and the fourth pic is another jar. Did I do something very wrong or is this really good and I should start birthing at least some of my jars now, rather than waiting until Friday? I need to more closely examine all fully colonized jars now, but I think these are the only two:


Edit: I put the pics in a second post. My image hosting site is down for maintanence and I just used Imgur, and I can't figure out why the images are so HUGE! I tried Spoiler tags, but they don't seem to work in this forum.


Edit2: Okay, I figured out how to make those massive images a lot smaller, but now they are too small. Oh well, at least they aren't stretching the thread horizonaly.

Edit3: Okay, found a way to make them look a little more normal lol




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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26568476 - 03/31/20 05:42 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

First pinning/lol-fruiting jar, from three angles. They look like Barbie-Doll mushrooms:







Second Jar




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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26568532 - 03/31/20 07:16 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Skip the colonization stage. Dunk and roll them if they are already pinning.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin]
    #26568533 - 03/31/20 07:18 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Skip the colonization stage. Dunk and roll them if they are already pinning.




That's the thing. Only those two are pinning. Should I dunk all 10 of the  cakes in that group, or just the ones pinning? Because there are only two.


Edited by LSA Woodrose (03/31/20 07:19 AM)


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26568543 - 03/31/20 07:30 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Post some pictures of the others.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin]
    #26568565 - 03/31/20 07:49 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Okay, here ya go! (These are the other 8 jars in the first colonized group of 10.







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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26568569 - 03/31/20 07:51 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I am going to post the HUGE version of the images in a spoiler tag so as not to stretch the thread, and it will allow you to see them really close up!






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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26568611 - 03/31/20 08:20 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Also!! This is important, too. I read on a few sites that if there is small pinning in jars, that when birthing and dunking, you should pull off those pins and discard them, because they won't grow, will eventually die, and will just suck up nutrients.

Is this true?


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