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Re: Bulk substrate not colonizing [Re: A.k.a]
    #26493694 - 02/19/20 04:34 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

That's the best way to describe it, had a spice like smell to it, and I could tell it was off. Maybe I shouldn't say awful, but it was definitely off. It was just sitting in my sub for 4 days nothing happening. No visible contamination. Everything that I've seen, researched, and looked at says as soon as there is a bad smell if it happens then toss it. This has taken so much out of me... The investment of time and energy and then fail. Very sad and disappointed. Maybe I thought millet just looks weird when it colonizes, but really it never really colonized... The grains were sitting in my bulk, but you could see they were all still yellow millet color, and only the tips of the grain had some white, only the tips. I keep looking back at my pictures and the two jars I still have, they still look like that. For some reason the mycelium isn't encapsulating every grain, I think that's why it looks like that in my jars, and that's why it never started colonizing my sub (this is just my educated guess). My other two jars look the same but thicker, but no additional growth or colonization has happened, and still some grains seem exposed, and not covered and half covered, etc. I'm not sure as to why this happened or why they're like that, I did everything sterile and inoculated in my SAB. I feel like these other two jars are going to do the same exact thing because some grains don't seem colonized, and only half covered etc. Again, the mycelium isn't encapsulating every grain, and I don't know why. I'm just in a down and funky mood right now, this sucks.


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Re: Bulk substrate not colonizing [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26493842 - 02/19/20 06:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Man you should go get it out of the trash until you see mold. I had three shoeboxes early on that smelled so strong when I opened them I was asking if different varieties smelled different lol. And got good hauls off all of them.

No reason to tap out before you need to, worst case you learn how bad tubs look and smell best case you get an ounce of shrooms along with the experience.


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Re: Bulk substrate not colonizing [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26493845 - 02/19/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I personally think you didnt wait long enough. If nothing visible is wrong then I keep waiting. 4 days is such a small amount of time to wait after spawn I would have waited atleast a week.


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Re: Bulk substrate not colonizing [Re: WyoMX]
    #26493885 - 02/19/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I wasn't expecting to have fruits or pinning or something in 4 days. I was expecting to see at least a sliver of some type of colonization of the sub. Even just a little hair of coir or something, or even any sign of the grains even slightly bouncing back after the spawn, but nothing. Then a smell came, so I was just doing what is recommended when that happens.


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Re: Bulk substrate not colonizing [Re: A.k.a]
    #26493893 - 02/19/20 06:36 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I can, it's still here, I snapped the lid on and boxed it up neatly in a box to throw out. If I do that just to wait around and see mold then won't I be spreading more contaminants and mold spores in my place for my next try or agar, etc.?


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Re: Bulk substrate not colonizing [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26494070 - 02/19/20 08:44 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

You should be okay. My shoe boxes and mons also took around 8 days for signs of growth. The biggest lesson I had to learn when starting is keep your mind off of it, because you will think of all kinds of little things to worry you, you think it looks too dry, too wet, then you start fucking with it and you then you wish you wouldn't have touched it haha. If your spawn was clean and you were good in your cleansing/sanitation tech, you will be all good.


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Re: Bulk substrate not colonizing [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26494092 - 02/19/20 09:12 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

THere are more mold spores in your house that a shoebox can create.

Don't toss a bin until you know it is trash, also I thought your original jar might have had a few spots of Bactiera or yeast on a few grains, but that isnt a good reason to toss it.

Then instead of trashing it put it in a shady spot in the back yard you can keep moist and Bam, outdoor sub!


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Re: Bulk substrate not colonizing [Re: Sockadin]
    #26494114 - 02/19/20 09:30 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I usually close my tubs up after spawning for 10/11 days to let them colonize. It kills me waiting that long but usually when I check on that 11th day I have a good covering of mycelium and usually a fair scattering of knots. patience is a virtue even if it sucks! I've learned to tuck my spawn jars away for a couple of weeks at this point too so I don't poke at them. I say give it some time and best of luck!


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Re: Bulk substrate not colonizing [Re: PupMarvel]
    #26494145 - 02/19/20 09:54 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I wouldn’t worry about mold spores, if a patch of trich shows up you’ll have plenty of time to ditch it before it gets bad.

You gotta get that PMA, to quote the magnificent bad brains.

Even if it doesn’t work out you can still learn from it. I’ve got a few totally fucked spawn jars they’ve been sitting around for a couple weeks just to try and get an idea of what contamination does.


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Re: Bulk substrate not colonizing [Re: A.k.a]
    #26494367 - 02/20/20 03:27 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

PMA? What do you mean by that?

Took it back out.


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Re: Bulk substrate not colonizing [Re: Sockadin]
    #26494373 - 02/20/20 03:36 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeast? I did not see any yeast build up on anything when I look at the pictures of my jars, nor do I remember being told that.

Also, my temps are between 70 and 74 for this stage, that sound correct?


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Re: Bulk substrate not colonizing [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26494908 - 02/20/20 10:48 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Hell yeah! Hopefully it redeems itself.

Lol pma is an old punk thing from the 80s, positive mental attitude.


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Re: Bulk substrate not colonizing [Re: A.k.a]
    #26494936 - 02/20/20 11:02 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Still looks the same going on day 5... Grains are sitting in there all yellow with only a little white on the tips.

Sitting in a condensated tub, lid cracked for FAE, smells a little stronger - I’m sure it’s because it’s just sitting in condensation and wetness still no sign of anything. Will wait through the weekend though, that’s three more days...


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Re: Bulk substrate not colonizing [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26494944 - 02/20/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Are you talking about grains on the side of the tub or surface?  A lot of times I’ll get clumps of seeds against the side of the shoebox and they don’t fuzz up again it just runs through the coir.

If you pick it up and look at the bottom can you see myc spreading at all? That’s usually where it’s easiest to notice at first.

Also if you tossed it around when you threw it out before it might be stunned for a day or so.


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Re: Bulk substrate not colonizing [Re: A.k.a]
    #26494989 - 02/20/20 11:32 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I didn't toss it around or anything, I just snapped the lid back on and gently put it in another box so I could throw the whole box away with it inside. Basically it was the same as just sitting as it is now but inside of a box. Nothing got tossed, thrown, turned, etc.

I'm talking about everywhere, and all over, sides, surface, etc.

Nope, nada, nothing. Just yellow millet grains with white on the tips. Nothing spreading or doing anything.


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Re: Bulk substrate not colonizing [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26495001 - 02/20/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Mycology is not a hobby for the impatient. Just leave it sitting for a few days and let it do its thing. Maybe you are disturbing the micro-climate.


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Re: Bulk substrate not colonizing [Re: Ombisha]
    #26495043 - 02/20/20 12:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

It's been sitting there 5 days. I've only touched the tub twice, whenever I put it in the box to throw away and when AKA just had me check the bottom now. I don't want to mess with it at all as you point out, and haven't been messing with it.

Thank you for the noob advice smh. I've never heard that before smh...

I'm a noob too, so a noob recognizes a noob. Especially with a comment like that that I haven't heard before


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Re: Bulk substrate not colonizing [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26495117 - 02/20/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Pictures would really really help us gage if there's something wrong with it. Yellow doesnt sound good but not always bad.


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Re: Bulk substrate not colonizing [Re: WyoMX]
    #26495143 - 02/20/20 12:57 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I mean yellow as in the color of the grains, or the color of millet. Millet I guess is like a pale yellowish color. And only the tips of the grains are a little white.

I was taking an educated guess as to why my jars also looked like that. For some reason the mycelium doesn't appear to be encapsulating the whole grain, leaving most of it bare, except a little at the tips, just like now. I am presuming that's what happened in my jars also, but I just chalked it up to that must be the way millet looks when it colonizes. Not every grain was completely covered, they were like half covered with half still exposed, some were totally covered, and some not at all, but it was very thick and fuzzy strong mycelium, and it did seem to appear that it was fully colonized. I had posted pictures of my jars before spawning and people said I was definitely good. I'll get some pictures up for you tonight of my shoebox.

In the meantime, here are the jars that I spawned to this shoebox.



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Re: Bulk substrate not colonizing [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26495237 - 02/20/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Well what are you expecting to hear? There are no signs other than "no growth". Give it some time, sometimes it takes just that. Either you can overthink it and wondering what's wrong or you can just be patient. The result will be the same. :shrug:


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