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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainyII]
    #26489240 - 02/17/20 12:03 AM (4 years, 21 hours ago)

I think you're right. I wanted to do fresh but for the sake of following the lab procedure I did by dry weight. If ever get a nice pan flush I want to compare it with those. Took about an hour total minus waiting for it to dry and the yield was pretty good considering I spilled a bunch.

I don't think you'll need any different acid with fresh mush but if it's blended to much it could be a bitch to filter. I'm using 30% vinegar from blue water chem group. Bought it at d&b supply. Don't know if you have those but it's like a home Depot with agricultural stuff.


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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
    #26489353 - 02/17/20 02:53 AM (4 years, 18 hours ago)

Psilocybin is 100% soluble in dihydrogen monoxide at maximum thermal activity in only 10 minutes. Just be careful when handligt anything at maximum thermal activity guys, especially the monoxide based dihydrogens. Gl


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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: Mateja] * 1
    #26489381 - 02/17/20 03:35 AM (4 years, 17 hours ago)

I thought they banned that stuff


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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainyII]
    #26489386 - 02/17/20 03:48 AM (4 years, 17 hours ago)

Banned what, boiling water? Nah It's legal as hell. Check out the Tea Tek in my sig


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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: Mateja]
    #26489502 - 02/17/20 05:58 AM (4 years, 15 hours ago)



Didn't you ever hear that urban legend about the push to ban dihydrogen monoxide?  The odourless colourless chemical athletes use to enhance performance?

Children sometimes get in their lungs and die.


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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainyII]
    #26489586 - 02/17/20 07:56 AM (4 years, 13 hours ago)

Have no clue, but I've heard psilocin is so unstable that it gets destroyed by the process of drying so I don't understand the point in 8btaining something that's so fragile that as soon as you obtain it it gets destroyed. I've heard about psilocin extraction but have never met or spoked to anyone that has even been close to obtaining anything close to it. All I've seen is urban legends talking about 'crystals of the gods' or whatever. Psilocybin gets trapped inside the dried tissue and lasts for years without losing potency, and it's 100% soluble in thermally activated h2o and doesn't decay as soon as you look at it like psilocin seems to do :shrug: I honestly have no clue what the point would even be in trying to obtain something that decays as soon as it takes shape. Seems pointless


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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: Mateja]
    #26489989 - 02/17/20 01:07 PM (4 years, 8 hours ago)

It isn't that fragile, psilocybin is less stable than psilocin but the body must convert into psilocin anyway. Psilocybin is a prodrug, a precursor. This isn't a tea Tek it's an extraction and conversion to dry psilocin. The reason I'm doing it is bc I'm good at chemistry and there is a lot of misinformation. One thing I have learned is psilocin can be heated for hours in liquid form and still be active, I was afraid it would decay as well but it doesn't seem to. Crystalizing the residue is my next step but it isn't necessary, just something I want to do.

not an urban legend


↑ 10g dry cubes >> .12g psilocin extract↑


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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands] * 1
    #26490510 - 02/17/20 05:18 PM (4 years, 4 hours ago)

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psilocybin is less stable than psilocin but the body must convert into psilocin anyway.



What happens to psilocin and baeocystin after 24h in the dehydrator? And what happenes to psilocybin after the same process?

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One thing I have learned is psilocin can be heated for hours in liquid form and still be active, I was afraid it would decay as well but it doesn't seem to.



"doesn't seem to" or "doesn't"? What was the experiment you ran to determine this? Is it documented or can you explain how you came to this insight?

I've been searching into this for years and finally found my own methods and results which I have documented scientifically and I KNOW FOR A FACT when actives decay, at what ratio and at what Temps, but you apparently think "it doesn't seem to decay" and that statement is a red flag for me when it comes from someone that claims he's more or less advanced when it comes to this topic. Please show me more scientific explanations, what did you boil, at what Temps, föand for how long and well see if it can be replicated. If you're passionate about this as I am you'll happily share your methods and we'll compare to my methods and results. Looking forward :thumbup:


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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: Mateja]
    #26490618 - 02/17/20 06:17 PM (4 years, 3 hours ago)

Latest procedure
Organic chemistry and synthesis is my focus. I've ran this extraction/conversion twice first following their method and then modifying it and running it my way. I've only been messing with mush and chemistry for a couple months but I've been practicing organic chemistry for about fifteen years. My lab was stolen a couple years ago and I'm putting together a new kit. I'm not working with baeo and don't have a way to do chromatography on the product but I pulled .12g from ten grams dry cubes which comes out to about 12% or .012mg/gram which is the average potency for cubes. Considering I spilled some I think those results are pretty good. I haven't left extract to age to see how long it keeps, I first needed to determine the product was active and how strong it was.

If you have info on temps and percent degradation this would be a good place to share it and how you went about it. The crystallization I'm working on will be for visually identifying (hopefully) the crystal structure of the product under microscope. I say it didn't seem to lose potency bc I dried the extract under heat and vacuum for 8+ hrs and when I consumed it I didn't come down for 12hrs.

I'm not an expert on these extractions, I just know my way around a lab. I'm trying to gather relevant info and proving out practical applications that work. It's a learning experience and it's a team effort. Have to say it was nice to not have to eat a pile of cubes, no nausea, fast come up, didn't taste bad either.


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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
    #26490626 - 02/17/20 06:21 PM (4 years, 3 hours ago)

12hrs eh?

How would taking an extract double the duration of a trip?


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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: mushboy]
    #26490633 - 02/17/20 06:28 PM (4 years, 3 hours ago)

Couldn't tell you. It was an experiment. Have you ever had your pupils massively dilate from mushrooms? Bc I never have until I ate that extract. I've never eaten ten grams of cubes either. Just sharing what happened take it however you want. As more ppl share their experiences maybe we'll learn more. I took it at midnight when I got off work and I hadn't come down at noon the next day. Had to go to work coming down.


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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
    #26490644 - 02/17/20 06:33 PM (4 years, 2 hours ago)

That's a bizarre question tbh.

I've eaten 10g and it didnt last 12hrs. The most basic shroom extract is tea and that has an even shorter duration.

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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: mushboy]
    #26490653 - 02/17/20 06:42 PM (4 years, 2 hours ago)

I really could care less if you believe it or not. I'm doing this for my own curiosity and I'm reporting what happened bc I want to know. There's no point in falsifying results. If you notice I don't edit my mistakes I share them so others don't have to make the same mistakes. Don't know if I've wronged you in some other life or what but unless you're going to try it for yourself we really have nothing to discuss here.

And the question about the pupils was a real one. I've never noticed my pupils dilate on mushrooms. With the extract my pupils were massive. Have you ever noticed it on high doses?


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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
    #26490664 - 02/17/20 06:53 PM (4 years, 2 hours ago)

My pupils become huge with half a gram.

I dont get why'd you think that because I dont 'believe' you means some wrong has been done.

Cant I just not believe you based off all previous crystal of the gods style shit being complete bs?


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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: mushboy]
    #26490726 - 02/17/20 07:47 PM (4 years, 1 hour ago)

I think the crystals of the gods is bs too but that's not what this is. My first extraction was a fail and I shared it. Then I corrected it and the second one worked. I don't know everything about this but I'm not afraid to try it and find out.

I like you but it doesn't seem like you like me very much and that's ok, I just don't like being called a liar about something I have really no way to prove by someone that hasn't done this. All I have is my pics and my word.


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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
    #26490733 - 02/17/20 07:48 PM (4 years, 1 hour ago)

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I don't think you'll need any different acid with fresh mush but if it's blended to much it could be a bitch to filter.




I was thinking the same about filtration.  Would vacuum filtration with a Buchner funnel overcome that?  That's what I was hoping, but I don't know how well it actually works, Ive only ever heard about it.



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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainyII]
    #26490743 - 02/17/20 07:54 PM (4 years, 1 hour ago)

Ya it might help but I'm thinking one of those wire mesh strainers for the kitchen sink would be best. The problem is gooey things clog filter material fast. If the chunks can be caught before it hits the filter paper it should filter pretty easy.

The other downside I see of using fresh is that it takes up a lot more volume. We're not gonna be able to stuff a 100g fresh mush in 200 ml acetic acid. At least with dry material it's as condensed as it can be.

Well just have to try it. Never blended fresh mush before maybe it won't be that hard to filter.


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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
    #26490744 - 02/17/20 07:55 PM (4 years, 1 hour ago)

correct. we have nothing to go on but some pictures and your word.

so when you say 'the second one worked' and then describe the workings in a way that mushrooms dont work... it raises the eyebrow.

plus this thread is really off topic from mushcult. dont you think if i didnt like you/the topic id move it by now?


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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: mushboy]
    #26490753 - 02/17/20 08:01 PM (4 years, 1 hour ago)

Idk man it's not my thread. I just share here bc other ppl expressed the interest. My stuff is in my journal. Perhaps we can do this in pm instead of op's thread.


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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
    #26490774 - 02/17/20 08:26 PM (4 years, 1 hour ago)

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Ya it might help but I'm thinking one of those wire mesh strainers for the kitchen sink would be best. The problem is gooey things clog filter material fast. If the chunks can be caught before it hits the filter paper it should filter pretty easy.

The other downside I see of using fresh is that it takes up a lot more volume. We're not gonna be able to stuff a 100g fresh mush in 200 ml acetic acid. At least with dry material it's as condensed as it can be.

Well just have to try it. Never blended fresh mush before maybe it won't be that hard to filter.




100g fresh already has about 90ml water in it, right?  Wouldn't adding 10-20ml super-strong acetic acid to that be the same as adding 100ml vinegar to 10 dried grams?

Whatever, we'll figure it out what works.  I was thinking it would be nice to just pick mushrooms and do this all in one fell swoop without dehydrating and storing.  Or even cleaning the bits of coir off the bottom of the mushy.

As for the vacuum filtration, I had this idea that Id lay some silkscreen over the filter to help not clog it up, and then just lift it away, mush and all, but,  I don't even know what the deal is.  Ive seen some of these buchners with little holes in a plate that obviously accommodate filter paper or something like that, but it seems there are ones with a permanent filter of some kind.  Id be worried about clogging those.

The original recipe said filter with 'glass wool'.  I don't even know what that is.

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