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Reuniting Eastern & Western Spiritual Practices * 2
    #26482390 - 02/12/20 05:41 PM (4 years, 5 days ago)

Here is an article about the division which has grown between Eastern and Western spiritual practices, how it happened, and the need to reunite them. This was written by Niysah Iyahu, one of the teachers in my school. He has a wealth of experience in both Eastern and Western practices and actually ran a lodge in the Western Magical Tradition for many years.


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"There were two schools of thought as to what part of the path to withhold and reserve for private instruction, “mouth-to-ear.” One group of teachers decided to withhold the inner side of things, while talking about the practical applications. This safeguarded the teaching, because without the inner tools, the ability to change reality was hopelessly beyond reach. This became the Western tradition, and ultimately it shaped the entire Western mind-set. There is this desire to change reality, but few practitioners have the inner qualifications to do so. The Western tradition therefore has lots of ineffectual information.

On the other hand, another group of teachers decided to teach the inner side, but withhold the tools to translate this into the World of Action. This safeguarded the teaching, because without the keys to apply the inner practices, the ability to change reality or to achieve the ultimate spiritual goals was also hopelessly beyond reach. There are a number of practitioners with extensive training in meditation, but who lack the keys to put this into action. We might say, therefore, that the Eastern tradition has lots of apparently pointless practices."

- Niysah Iyahu


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Re: Reuniting Eastern & Western Spiritual Practices [Re: PocketLady] * 1
    #26482430 - 02/12/20 06:15 PM (4 years, 5 days ago)

Love it knowledge can be so corrupt especially people trying to withhold it in safety. Withholding knowledge isnt safe its dangerous its corrupt. Witholding knowledge is like saying i have all the answers to the universe and im not gonna share it because its mine and i cannot be questioned. Thats what i think both sides got wrong. The inability to question their work and them safeguarding their knowledge like it needed to be safeguarded. But knowledge isnt corrupt just the ability to safeguard it is corrupt because the constant threat of danger is corrupt. Danger isnt even danger it is a sick witholding of the scary nature of the universe. The witholding is the problem. Let them out and join both west sides and east sides who needs to be divided and seperated like were different anyway. We are all the same human beings arent we. We share 99.99% of dna with eachother so whats with all this seperation bullshit. The illusion of seperation is what drives people corrupt. I am different then you therefore smarter therefore i can be corrupt and treat you however you want. This is illusion and is corrupt. There are a lot of good teachings in both practices though. This is someone whose studied all religion and ascension. There comes a time where we all need to open are hearts and not divide eachother into subcategories saying these people are bad and these people are good. We are all good and evolving spiritually soul satisfying material physical adaptability and more a lot more a lot more lol. Join both sides and merge into the superconciouss that we are. The person that hides the most information is the most corrupt. We all need to get back into yoga not for physical relations but for spiritual practicality.


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Re: Reuniting Eastern & Western Spiritual Practices [Re: PocketLady] * 1
    #26482476 - 02/12/20 06:38 PM (4 years, 5 days ago)

interesting article PocketLady :smile: the golden age that the eastern and western schools come from sounds like Atlantis, which is very interesting (and demonstrates the potential harm that misuse of this can cause re: the fall of Atlantis). I think while it may be true that much was hidden in both east and west, there were still great masters within both. though it seems like we are indeed at a time when there is a collective shift, a maturing of humanity, where we are becoming ripe for more complete understandings, a rising of the Yugas. I feel like people will naturally gravitate to and be guided to what they need at their current stage, much like "when the student is ready the teacher will appear" and since there is a collective ascension in consciousness this will manifest some interesting and beautiful things :smile:


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    #26482577 - 02/12/20 07:19 PM (4 years, 5 days ago)

Definately a collective shift in conscioussness and ascension this is natural. This is where its at!!!:smile:


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    #26482586 - 02/12/20 07:23 PM (4 years, 5 days ago)

Its not if one soul ascends hes the only one and the rest have to manually ascend together. We all ascend together into higher states of consciousness it is a shared activity. This is what it means by when it says working with your brother. We are working with our brothers the journey of ascension is together. We put our will together and join hands in a circle of love and create wonderful things together. That is true ascension. Its not an alone activity. Thats what the misconceptions were that you have to manually ascend alone we will automatically ascend together and theres nothing you can do about it. Yay! Ascension!! It is finally here and a journey of conscioussness and love. Good work brothers. Now wheres my shrooms??


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Re: Reuniting Eastern & Western Spiritual Practices [Re: deff] * 2
    #26485812 - 02/14/20 05:28 PM (4 years, 3 days ago)

I'm glad you both enjoyed it :smile: I totally agree deff, there have still been great masters who have graced us with their teachings throughout the course of history, even perhaps when the light was so dim that it was very hard to understand what they were trying to tell us. I don't think the teachings have ever disappeared completely, but like Niysah was saying, it seems likely throughout the Kali Yuga that the 'inner' teachings had to be deliberately concealed, and revealed only to those who truly had ears to hear, which wasn't many of us at that time. I'd like to think that's changing now, as we continue to rise upward.

I also agree that people are following whatever teachings are right for them at any given time, but I think as the ascent and movement into the new Yuga continues, hopefully along with it will come more clarity around previously 'inner' teachings which have the ability to get one to the top of the mountain very quickly, now that we are becoming ready for it :sun:


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    #26485950 - 02/14/20 06:56 PM (4 years, 3 days ago)

Yes for sure, and I think the "goal posts" change as the energies and consciousness of humanity changes. The goal in a lot of systems was escaping the cycle of rebirth, sort of pushing away from the world. Now I feel like as things improve for humanity we are moving into a time when more of our Soul and Light can come into our bodies and beings more easily and the goal is more about embodying our Light, transforming the human condition and the planet outwardly more - about a collective shift into a golden age. In the older systems the golden age was so far off that it made more sense to seek more of an escape - plus so many spiritual practitioners were persecuted that it seemed very dangerous in some cultures to embody and demonstrate our Light, which thankfully is changing more now :smile:

Also there are new forms of spiritual dispensations for humanity now - things like activations, energy healing, crystal technologies (not that these are exactly new, but during the dark ages the path was about a lot more isolated intense practice - like those in caves). Now there seems to be more Grace in the process for those who choose it.


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Re: Reuniting Eastern & Western Spiritual Practices [Re: deff] * 1
    #26486078 - 02/14/20 08:05 PM (4 years, 3 days ago)

Yeah I hear what you are saying. I'm not sure I've ever really seen Realization as being an escape though. Sure, it's an escape from the perspective that keeps us locked in suffering, but it seems like the idea has always been that the Bodhisattva or Mahasattva sticks around, or reincarnates back into the world to help the world and all sentient beings still suffering. I think the problem has been that there just haven't been many people becoming real Bodhisattvas. Even today there seem to be many spiritual teachers who talk a good talk, but haven't actually fully Realized. We have the blind [mis]leading the blind. (It actually pains me to write that because I don't like to cast judgements, but discernment is very necessary at this time it seems).

Personally I don't think there is anything I can really do for this world in my current condition, other than get to the Realized state. Only then can anything I do be truly effective, because only then is it coming from a place of true clarity where I know what people need and have the vision to see all of the consequences of my actions. Anything less than that...Well, the road to hell is paved with good intentions, as they say. It's very hard though because the tendency from those trying to live from the heart is to want to help others, and also sometimes we really don't know what we don't know. I totally agree that it should never be about running away or escaping though. From what I understand, once Realization occurs, it's natural to want to stick around and do whatever one can to help those still suffering :heart: Just my 2 cents anyway.


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Re: Reuniting Eastern & Western Spiritual Practices [Re: PocketLady] * 1
    #26486152 - 02/14/20 09:14 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

I don't mean that true realization is an escape by any means - more that that was one presentation, sort of the carrot on the stick (life is suffering but there's an escape. if you don't do the work you'll be stuck here forever). people need motivation either in terms of positive rewards (heaven, describing the positives of enlightenment) or in terms of escaping a negative, like fire on our butts (the threat of hell, endless rebirth, suffering, etc). to me, the universe is fully benevolent but it is a place of much learning, and the masters and beings of light use whatever incentives or paths that help us to continue to evolve. and that doesn't mean that enlightenment isn't blissful or that there aren't negatives to samsaric consciousness by any means.

the bodhisattva response is definitely a positive response to the earlier schools of personal liberation (which would be more of an incentive to escape). but to me there is still the belief that the universe is without ultimate purpose or design and that life in its endless iterations of incarnations is ultimately a cosmic accident. while this is strong fuel for motivating one on a path of practice, it is also a pretty negative view of life. Sri Aurobindo's work for example sees life on earth as an evolutionary process and we are very much in the early stages, that there is a process of spiritual transformation occurring with humanity and the goal is to totally transform life to a Life Divine. I imagine that life on other planets that have evolved more than humanity currently are very interesting, I don't feel the whole universe is a mistake to either escape personally, or learn to escape but then selflessly return to help others. and yet human life is often so difficult that those are enticing beliefs and I can definitely understand them.

very few people are totally realized (I'm of the opinion there is no end to realization or evolution) and yet there are many ways to help others. I agree though that one's possibilities for being of service vastly increase as one progresses and that is a good strategy (work on oneself before you help others). but at the same time, we are all helping each other in so many ways, life really is a collective process. we are each a unique puzzle piece :smile: (an imo life isn't a tragedy, it's a comedy in a foreign language without subtitles)


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Re: Reuniting Eastern & Western Spiritual Practices [Re: deff] * 1
    #26486191 - 02/14/20 09:49 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

I totally agree that the idea the universe is without ultimate purpose or design seems very negative, and doesn't resonate with me at all. From where I'm standing it doesn't seem like the idea of the Bodhisattva's path means that that is the case, but then I am mainly going on what I have been taught by Daishi, not from any traditional Buddhist path to be honest. It seems like a truly benevolent God or Creator would want to endlessly bestow to all of Creation, so it makes sense to me that we must only fall down to this perspective full of suffering, in order that we might more fully understand what the Light is, and so that we are able to fully appreciate and understand the endlessly increasing states of Light we experience on the ascent. I think we go on evolving and growing endlessly too :thumbup:

I also agree that it is a collective process and ultimately has nothing to do with personal liberation. I think perhaps one needs to concentrate on oneself until a certain point, and then once the ego is really seen through, it becomes totally about the Other, about the collective, because the illusions of the self/ego boundary is seen to be non-existent and the interconnectedness of everything is fully understood. Even the process of actually reaching Realization has to be about the Other, the collective, although it seems like at a certain point, it's less about physically going out and serving and helping others, and more about the intention to Realize for the benefit of everyone, because (imho) it's only after Realization that we can truly help, so that aspiration is the most important thing I can do to help the world in my current state, and is what in fact brings me to a place beyond ego. I do understand what you are saying about helping others though and I'm not suggesting we should all shut ourselves away and live in a cave. I just know that for me, for where I am, the best thing I can do for the world at the moment is to get beyond the control of ego to a place where I can be completely devoted to and effective in aiding the growth of consciousness on this planet and everywhere else.

I think you are right, life is definitely no tragedy, and I want to be able to help myself to see that fully so I can help others to see that fully too :grin:


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    #26486208 - 02/14/20 09:58 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

yes that sounds perfect :smile: :sun:

I really like the Vimalakirti Sutra from Mahayana Buddhism, it goes into the same topic in some ways and reveals much that other teachings from Buddhism I feel don't reveal. It's my favourite sutra :smile: Here is one excerpt:

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Thereupon, magically influenced by the Buddha, the venerable Sariputra had this thought: "If the buddha-field is pure only to the extent that the mind of the bodhisattva is pure, then, when Sakyamuni Buddha was engaged in the career of the bodhisattva, his mind must have been impure. Otherwise, how could this buddha-field appear to be so impure?"

The Buddha, knowing telepathically the thought of venerable Sariputra, said to him, "What do you think, Sariputra? Is it because the sun and moon are impure that those blind from birth do not see them?"

Sariputra replied, "No, Lord. It is not so. The fault lies with those blind from birth, and not with the sun and moon."

The Buddha declared, "In the same way, Sariputra, the fact that some living beings do not behold the splendid display of virtues of the buddha-field of the Tathagata is due to their own ignorance. It is not the fault of the Tathagata. Sariputra, the buddha-field of the Tathagata is pure, but you do not see it."

Then the Brahma Sikhin said to the venerable Sariputra, "Reverend Sariputra, do not say that the buddha-field of the Tathagata is impure. Reverend Sariputra, the buddha-field of the Tathagata is pure. I see the splendid expanse of the buddha-field of the Lord Sakyamuni as equal to the splendor of, for example, the abodes of the highest deities."

Then the venerable Sariputra said to the Brahma Sikhin, "As for me, O Brahma, I see this great earth, with its highs and lows, its thorns, its precipices, its peaks, and its abysses, as if it were entirely filled with ordure."

Brahma Sikhin replied, "The fact that you see such a buddha-field as this as if it were so impure, reverend Sariputra, is a sure sign that there are highs and lows in your mind and that your positive thought in regard to the buddha-gnosis is not pure either. Reverend Sariputra, those whose minds are impartial toward all living beings and whose positive thoughts toward the buddha-gnosis are pure see this buddha-field as perfectly pure."

Thereupon the Lord touched the ground of this billion-world-galactic universe with his big toe, and suddenly it was transformed into a huge mass of precious jewels, a magnificent array of many hundreds of thousands of clusters of precious gems, until it resembled the universe of the Tathagata Ratnavyuha, called Anantagunaratnavyuha. Everyone in the entire assembly was filled with wonder, each perceiving himself seated on a throne of jeweled lotuses.

Then, the Buddha said to the venerable Sariputra, "Sariputra, do you see this splendor of the virtues of the buddha-field?"

Sariputra replied, "I see it, Lord! Here before me is a display of splendor such as I never before heard of or beheld!"

The Buddha said, "Sariputra, this buddha-field is always thus pure, but the Tathagata makes it appear to be spoiled by many faults, in order to bring about the maturity of the inferior living beings. For example, Sariputra, the gods of the Trayastrimsa heaven all take their food from a single precious vessel, yet the nectar which nourishes each one differs according to the differences of the merits each has accumulated. Just so, Sariputra, living beings born in the same buddha-field see the splendor of the virtues of the buddha-fields of the Buddhas according to their own degrees of purity.




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Re: Reuniting Eastern & Western Spiritual Practices [Re: deff] * 1
    #26486237 - 02/14/20 10:21 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

I love that. Daishi has explained the same concept to us in a slightly different way. I may check out that sutra, thanks :thumbup: :sun:


“Everyone sees the unseen in proportion to the clarity of his heart, and that depends upon how much he has polished it. Whoever has polished it more sees more - more unseen forms become manifest to him.”
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    #26486260 - 02/14/20 10:44 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

had inner esoteric practice of meditation that are passed by word-of-mouth, but as the chains of mouth-to-ear was broken, all that was left is the outer or most superficial aspect of those tradition.


Unfortunately the outer or most superficial aspect of those tradition are also dying and is almost non evident without the inner. 2 tim 4:3-4, 2 cor 5:3, 1 peter 3:3-4, Psalms, 1:2


its a Great thought, thank be to GOD for sharing.
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    #26486280 - 02/14/20 10:58 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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PocketLady said:
I love that. Daishi has explained the same concept to us in a slightly different way. I may check out that sutra, thanks :thumbup: :sun:


“Everyone sees the unseen in proportion to the clarity of his heart, and that depends upon how much he has polished it. Whoever has polished it more sees more - more unseen forms become manifest to him.”
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it's a great one - very unique, humorous, and with very deep wisdom - my favourite! :laugh:


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    #26488450 - 02/16/20 01:47 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

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had inner esoteric practice of meditation that are passed by word-of-mouth, but as the chains of mouth-to-ear was broken, all that was left is the outer or most superficial aspect of those tradition.


Unfortunately the outer or most superficial aspect of those tradition are also dying and is almost non evident without the inner. 2 tim 4:3-4, 2 cor 5:3, 1 peter 3:3-4, Psalms, 1:2


its a Great thought, thank be to GOD for sharing.
From Elijah-Elisha, John(apostles)-Christ, hindu(Vishnu) to buddha(gautama), Teachings to Beings, EAST to WEST, OLD to NEW :sun:






Yes it seems like things have gotten more and more distorted over time, as the distorted ego further gets its hands on spirituality/religion. I really enjoyed that song by the way. Love and the way to true unconditional love is what's missing :peace::heart:


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    #26490667 - 02/17/20 06:56 PM (4 years, 1 hour ago)

Western is more about intellectual pursuits..

And eastern is more about going with the flow.


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